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Subject: Heidi Berry
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:33:58 -0500
From: Hk Kahng (FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: DCD suggestions.
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:06:29 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:18:52 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: My goodness! Something good on MTV!
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 07:22:48 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: GRRRRRRRRRRR!
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:33:17 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: My goodness! Something good on MTV!
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:07:36 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: My goodness! Something good on MTV!
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 08:19:13 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Grenadine
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:53:31 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: kykeon
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:55:59 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:03:52 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:07:26 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:12:39 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:11:49 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: My goodness! Something good on MTV!
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 04:35:54 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Grenadine
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:07:25 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...the end is near...
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:27:56 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO, say it isn't so...
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 08:39:36 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Germano "Psychopath" sample
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 08:45:25 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: lisa germano's psychopath
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:18:24 -0500
From: Curve1@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: My goodness! Something good on MTV!
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 14:59:12 -0500
From: Don Francisco (dcisco@MARLIN.SSNET.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD BOOTS / ANYONE HAVE REAL TRACK LISTING?
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:34:10 -0700
From: Raven Zachary (raven@UNIX.NETS.COM)
Subject: *compilation madness*
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:18:23 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: Re: GRRRRRRR!
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:13:27 -0500
From: Richard Singer (wk03814@WORLDLINK.COM)
Subject: two collecting questions...
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:28:33 -0600
From: toaster oven (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:33:58 -0500
From: Hk Kahng (FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Heidi Berry


Um, I dunno, but I keep thinking of the late, great Sandy Denny.  Ms. Berry's
last eponymous effort sounded (to me, at least) like a very effete and daresay
boring tribute to early Fairport Convention.  Its immediate predecessor
_Love_ was a lot less earthbound in its arrangement and production, and as
much as it reminded me of Enya at times, I think that it is the best record
of hers to date (her debut full-length _Below the Waves_ comes in second,
although I think the mini-lp _Firefly_ is my least favorite).
But that's just me.
And then there was Kristin Hersh.  I think _Hips and Makers_ is one of the best
albums of this year, but someone pointed out the other day - "Hey, doesn't
she sound a lot like Buffy Sainte Marie?"  Hmmm.
And then there's Mark Kozelek, who might pass as Nick Drake's metalhead nephew.
But what the fuck, I love them all.  Nnyaaaah.  :^P

"I wasn't the easiest of people to have
 for a best friend,
 then neither were you...."  - Northern Picture Library

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:06:29 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: DCD suggestions.


  here's my unwarranted opinion on what to start out with concerning
  dead can dance...

  by far, my preference is for the self-titled release. it needs a
  serious remastering, but it has this raw power and energy that
  a lot of "gothic" rock groups could never even capture in their
  wildest dreams..sort of a joy division dew hanging over the music.
  *really* good stuff if your tastes run in that direction. on the
  cd is the ep 'garden of the arcane delights' and i quite like lisa's
  songs on this. there's something about 'flowers of the sea' that
  makes it one of my fave dcd songs ever...dark and warm and a tad bit
  menacing...

  however, excluding my bias towards the first efforts of the group, i
  think the serpent's egg is a masterpiece. glorious and spiritual
  and uplifting...certainly perfect for this time of year. this is
  the cd that proved to my stepfather there was more to music than
  that dang chant cd...

  after that, i'd buy spleen & ideal, aion, into the labyrinth,
  towards the within..then the compilation a passage in time {which lacks
  material from the first two releases}.

  *k*

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:18:52 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!)


> Maybe you should try the (cheaper) "Antenna" EP or (even cheaper, domestic)
> Moonshake "Big Good Angel" mini-LP before the full length.

  i agree that one might want to check out some cheaper material as
  a starting point. but i do think that, as good as the 'antenna' ep is,
  it doesn't indicate just how wonderful the album is. on my lovely
  li'l tape, the 3 songs from the ep {sans 'marimba song' 'cuz it's on the
  album} are on the b-side after the album...listening to those after
  hearing the full length is a bit of a letdown. i *should* have played
  that side first, so i could warm up to the sound and be excited from
  that point, instead of coming down off of the lovely euphoria 'silver
  apples' spun me into...

  oh forget it...just buy it all..every single one of you..


  *k-j*


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 07:22:48 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: My goodness! Something good on MTV!


That's MTV Europe, of course.

Portishead did two live songs on MTV's Most Wanted With Ray
Cokes. They ended with "Sour Times", playing it slow, slow, with a
strange rhythm. And then they ended it with a scream-fest of "NOBODY
LOVES ME! NOBOOOOODY LOOOOOVES MEEEE!" It was magic. It was stunning.

Throwing Muses play on Tuesday. They did show the new video tonight,
though. I think I'm going to enjoy the new album a lot. The song they
played was from the current EP, "Bright Yellow Sun". Kinda strange
tune - no chorus, just kinda rolling along. Fun video, with
chimpanzees and the band dressed as they dressed on those seventies tv
shows. I didn't recognize David at all with that fake moustache and
blond hair.

Has it been posted on this list that Kelley Deal has been arrested for
possesion of heroin? There's a flame-fest going on on the Subbacultcha
list about whether droogs are good or not, but we're above flaming on
this list. Right? :-)

On that note, I find the objections to Germano featuring a real-life
911 call on her album rather puzzling. I mean, they show this sort of
stuff routinely as pure entertainment on tv. The cables are
overflowing with shows of 911 calls with actors acting out. I find
those shows... tasteless, but I can see no reasons why an artist
(which is what Germano is) can't use found objects to employ in her
art. She obviously means to disturb, to express something, to say
something. Criticising her for doing a bad job is one thing, but
criticising her for using real life on her album is another.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:33:17 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: GRRRRRRRRRRR!


        Bison Boy sez:
>Oooooh! Bark Psychosis nay-sayers get my fur to stand on end I tells ya!
>What is the problem people have with B.P?
>Please make it your New Year's resolution to try "Hex"

        And those darn Bark Psychosis yeah!-sayers get me irked when i
think of the money i wasted on "Hex"!  No need to reiterate the points i've
made more than once concerning this release (but i'll do it anyway:  the
vox ruins it in a MAJOR way).

                                                        -cz     where would
we be without some healthy dissent?

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:07:36 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: My goodness! Something good on MTV!


> tune - no chorus, just kinda rolling along. Fun video, with
> chimpanzees and the band dressed as they dressed on those seventies tv
> shows. I didn't recognize David at all with that fake moustache and
> blond hair.

  daktari!

> Has it been posted on this list that Kelley Deal has been arrested for
> possesion of heroin?

  arrested for getting it in the mail..fed ex, i think? talk about a no
  brainer drug transaction...

> On that note, I find the objections to Germano featuring a real-life
> 911 call on her album rather puzzling. I mean, they show this sort of
> stuff routinely as pure entertainment on tv. The cables are
> overflowing with shows of 911 calls with actors acting out. I find
> those shows... tasteless

  but, you really can't go around saying it's entertainment when the
  end result is a gruesome & cruel act of violence..be it rape, robbery,
  or murder. i know that's not what you were getting at...it's tv &
  sensational journalists that puts this infront of us as a way to kill
  some time between OJ updates and the weather report. and before someone
  says, "it's educating the public" or what-have-you..let me say that
  from what i've seen...it *isn't*. if you aren't educated and "informed"
  about what true horrors are really going on in this world, you never
  will be. and for every person that is somewhat enlightened by all of
  this disgusting crud on the telly, there's a sick individual getting
  grande ideas from the same shows. 911 tapes do not enlighten and inform,
  nor will they ever be entertaining if what they depict is a real
  crime or emergency taking place. it takes a well focused and intelligent
  discussion or program, etc. to inform people..not william shatner and
  his narrating skills of re-enacted scenes...

, but I can see no reasons why an artist
> (which is what Germano is) can't use found objects to employ in her
> art. She obviously means to disturb, to express something, to say
> something. Criticising her for doing a bad job is one thing, but
> criticising her for using real life on her album is another.

  when it comes to this album and what lisa has created & put forth
  for her audience, i think the ones who are disturbed by her use of
  a real 911 call would feel a li'l bit better if they knew it was
  more than just a "found object". i'm sure she would have had the
  dignity and discretion to go through the proper channels and get
  it cleared with the family of the woman {if she was in fact murdered.
  i think the consensus is that she was... (?)} and so on. if this
  is a domestic release, you can bet the FCC is gonna be all over that
  sample making sure it's got all the needed okay's. if she didn't just
  pull this from thin air..find & sample the call...then i really
  don't see the BIG deal because she's making a point by using the
  sample. but if she put it on without so much as a thought to the
  people who would be hurt by such a thing, then i have a problem with it.
  same with the sample on hnia's HIIYH, at the end of 'spirit & body'.
  i seem to recall my friend saying that the call was about a friend
  of their's who had committed suicide...

  if things, such as using disturbing samples, are done tastefully and
  with the consent from the right people...i think it should be done.
  it depends on what you're trying to say with your art. if it's
  a big joke to you, you should be slapped upside the head for your
  heartlessness...

  i apologize for my lengthy ramble, but this stuff has been on my
  mind a lot lately....

  *k*

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 08:19:13 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: My goodness! Something good on MTV!


* kelli-jeanne *  writes:

>   i think the ones who are disturbed by her use of a real 911 call
>   would feel a li'l bit better if they knew it was more than just a
>   "found object". i'm sure she would have had the dignity and
>   discretion to go through the proper channels and get it cleared
>   with the family of the woman

Yeah, I agree. I didn't mean to say that I think that an artist has no
responsibility being a decent human being, just almost... :-) But
listening to Germano's stuff, it seems to me that she's not exactly
*evil*. (I'm humming "Geek the Girl" at the moment...)
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:53:31 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Grenadine


> Is it just me (you can probably answer this k-j) or is
> the new Grenadine album *almost* not worth the wait? Sure,
> I haven't heard it more than a couple times, but somehow the
> songs don't seem as strong as on Goya. There's a few good
> ones, yes, but don't the ones that Jenny sings on seem
> like outtakes from the recent Tsunami album?

I haven't heard the first one.  Could you make some comparisons/contrasts
to nopalitos?  I really like this CD, possibly one of my faves for the
year.  Now if Tsunami's that good... adn if the first one's even
better... then it's a good thing I just got a job...

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                               "Oink, oink."

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:55:59 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: kykeon


>   *k* ...i command e to buy this laika album, & everyone else as well...

I just snagged this moonshake cd. . . the guy sounds like he's heard a
few too many Birthday Party discs... but it's interesting.  Now how close
is Laika sound to this (again)?
The beat adn the horns turn me off a bit, though... the only band I've
heard good horns in is Boo Radleys, but maybe I just don't get out enough..

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                               "Oink, oink."

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:03:52 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?


HEY FOLKS!  The tower near me has about 5 copies of the Dirt Eaters ep on
cd disc for about $7 (?)... convince me to buy you on e(then send me the
money)... I think I'll buy myself a second (maybe third?) copy...

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                               "Oink, oink."

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:07:26 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?


> > Well, I have to disagree.  MBM is the one I play the most... next to HIIYH.
> > Livonia being the least.
>
>   you can't disagree and say you play MBM the most..that's sort of what
>   i was getting at, silly! quirky-accessible...probably something a
>   new fan would play more often than the other releases... :)

You know... I'd alm ost say I like KoS besst, then MBM, then the
others... I've been listening since HIIYH (or so) so a 'new fan' maybe
not... It's hard to compare them, though... MBM (&KOS?)is just so light and
nice, so clean and blooming (except when it's bloody and coarse) adn the
others sound like underwater viewscapes or something... (except when
they're fiery bushes).

> > What about DRINK DRESS AND INK!!!???  What a Koolio song!  And same with IN

This is the wrong list for Koolio, folkz.

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                               "Oink, oink."

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:12:39 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!)


> Maybe you should try the (cheaper) "Antenna" EP or (even cheaper, domestic)
> Moonshake "Big Good Angel" mini-LP before the full length. That way you'll
> know if Margaret's voice and insanely original instrumentation/percussion
> drive you to the highest states of ecstacy  or just drive you insane. Then

IS there more MARgaret on 'big good anglo-saxon' then there is on 'eva
lunar eclipse'?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                               "Oink, oink."


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:11:49 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?


> I don't know anything about tone, but it sounds intriguing...what label are
> they on?

As I said a few days ago, Independent Project Records.


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 04:35:54 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: My goodness! Something good on MTV!


On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

>   arrested for getting it in the mail..fed ex, i think? talk about a no
>   brainer drug transaction...

actually, drugs are quite often dealt through fedex. it's proven to be
one of the more secure ways to do it, (esp fed ex, us mail isn't as
secure)...i wonder how she got caught. it's probably a combination of 1.
the drug (heroin is a popular drug with cops...to bust you that is) and
2. carelessness on the part of the person who sold it. i wonder if they
were busted too....
oh well..
keep in mind i am not advocating anything here, not drug use or using the
mails to send them.
mikebee

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:07:25 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Grenadine


> I haven't heard the first one.  Could you make some comparisons/contrasts
> to nopalitos?

I'd say it's more consistently good, whereas the first few listens
to Nopalitos left me thinking there was a good amount of 'filler'.
Goya is also more consistent in style with that chiming guitar sound
more of a constant element. As I said before, the songs are just
stronger somehow, and although these are fair songs, there is nothing
like "...today's youth" or "hell over hickory dew" on Goya. Jenny's
vocals are better too.

brant


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:27:56 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...the end is near...


On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

> > 2. Vision, The Music of Hildegard Von Bingen -- Talk about lack of
> > excitement!  I wish they'd given this project to Dead Can Dance or one
> > of the groups on _Trance Planet_.  It's supposed to be a mixture of medieval
> > vocals and "worldbeat," which could be terrific.  But it's got that
> > annoying New Age Muzak quality of not wanting to raise anyone's pulse . . .

>   ugh..this reminds me. i was listening to Chris Douridas {KCRW} not too
>   long ago..may have been last week, for all i can remember, and he had an
>   early music ensemble in the studio..anyway, he mentioned some project
>   that was taking the music of ol' Hildy and :groan: putting it with
>   some sort of techno *dance* music. it's not a finished project as far as i
>   know, but this really made me kind of sick...

Is it just me or are there about a thousand of these wannabe-Enigmas out
there floating through the would-be aethre? Chants and rappers, chants
and spaceships, bach and whales, etc. I can understand doing it with
something with which everyone is bored to death, but introducing a
relatively obscure (though clearly not to this list! ::raspberries::)
composerette to the Masses by doing the whole sample it loop it fuck it
flood it thing is pretty heinous. Anyone here actually *heard* "Chant"?

 einexile


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 08:39:36 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO, say it isn't so...


On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:

> not, I'd find it pretty sick that it would be misused that way. As it is
> now it kind of ruins the album for me knowing that someone's murder was
> misrepresented in order to make a point.
>
Misrepresented how? The title of the song is A Psychopath, not A Guy
I've Been Going Out With For A While Who's Starting to Freak Me Out A
Little. The song is about violence against women period, and does not
claim, as far as I can tell, to mean violence specific to relationships.

MW

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 08:45:25 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Germano "Psychopath" sample


On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:

> little too serious even for a very serious album, but the fact of
> someone's real-life horrors being used for spooky ambience on a rock
> record, in any context other than a purposeful song about the actual
> event...I cannot look past that. I think it is in very poor taste.
>
Well, I think men breaking into women's homes and killing them is in poor
taste, and I suspect LG does too. Which is why she wrote the song and
included the sample. Personally I think the sample drove the message home
foursquare, and in no way do I see where you find it exploitational.


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:18:24 -0500
From: Curve1@AOL.COM
Subject: lisa germano's psychopath


interview from delphine blue's program "shocking blue" on 99.5 FM WBAI,
december 9 1994.

with is about a woman who is stalked or harassed...?

record it is about trying to find yourself, love yourself, and all this
stuff, and it's like hard enough to do THAT anyway without then somebody
putting their uncontrolled life on you, and then your life starts to suck,
because they win b/c they like to scare you and they know they do.  that's
why i put it on, because it is just about intrusion and fear.  But i have
been bothered by this guy for a few years, he scares you so much, and when
you call they cops and they like go "why don't you go to the front door and
ask who it is" - and your sitting there, they really are sometimes very
insensitive to the paranoia and you can't move - you are paralyzed.  so i put
the loop of the lady on who the guy actually is in her house and she is
calling 911 and they are just kind of talking to her - i am sure they are
coming, but they don't get there in time and she does get raped.


sent it to somebody to use in a documentary on violence and i heard it on
that documentary and then they said i could use it.

incredibly frightening - um, when the record first came out, i was on the air
in the middle of the night and i just couldn't possibly play it.

mixed it - so i knew that i caught the feeling that i feel in the middle of
the night.  also, 'cause your a little blase about it, and when it happens
every day, you got to bed (sarcastic sing-song voice) "oh, another night a
baseball bat, a thing of maise (sp?), i won't sleep, i'll be paranoid out of
my mind and paralyzed - great something to look forward to".

woman was raped subsequently, even though we hear her on the phone.


probably be upset and frightened by this song, but - this is reality.
(uncomfortable laughter)


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 14:59:12 -0500
From: Don Francisco (dcisco@MARLIN.SSNET.COM)
Subject: Re: My goodness! Something good on MTV!


Actually I am on about the Germano sampler of the 911 tape.  In the
interview
seg posted earlier she said that she did get permission.  I gather from
what is said in the interview that her intent was not to simply
"entertain" (isn't that what Bob Hope did each Christmas in Viet Nam?
Talk about an entertaining place to be!) but rather to indeed
disturb,disturb with the intensity that only a real event might be able
to evoke.  I'm sure, also, that the sampler was not intended to be taken
as an entity separate from the rest of the track, but was meant to be
heard as a *part* of her whole creation of a piece (song?) the intent of
the whole being enlightenmeant, instruction and, yes, disrurbance and all
of that might cause folks to realize in a graphic fashion what is going on
sometimes while we are all safe (safe?) at home.  I have no doubt that
this is a very difficult piece to listen to, to deal with, and I get from
the earlier posted interview that that was the intent, because the
reality that she's presenting is extraordinarily discomforting, or
at least should be.  That the use of the sampler is perhaps in bad taste
is only exceeded by the act that is recorded and the response to it (is
that a yawn).
  To say that the victim allowed the thing to happen is to be
rather cold, removed from real life, and obviously never having any
experience with such an event in any capacity.  Try it, I'm sure your
view will change.  There may have been things that she could have done:
maybe she should have started with calling 911 and then fighting for her
life.  Maybe that's what happened.  If the phone was disconnected how
are we to know, without a lengthy disclaimer from LG on the CD before the
track or at least in the liner notes.  But a deep, lengthy discourse on
this event is not what the track is about.  It is about how
overwhelming an intrusion can be and how overwhelming is the
lackadaisical the response from our jaundiced society is/can be.
That is what we are to get from the whole of the creation called A
Phsycopath, not simply the screams of one woman in the night.  Maybe it
would have been better to figure the length of the track and dub and over
dub a performer screaming, one dub/scream for each that will be occurring
during that amount of time. Folks in the business know, though, that to
individualize and personalize a thing will drive the point home more
effectively than a crowd in which any*one* can get lost.

Now that I have vented and ranted, I'll let someone else go and hope we
can move on to a new topic . . .

no sig required
Don


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:34:10 -0700
From: Raven Zachary (raven@UNIX.NETS.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD BOOTS / ANYONE HAVE REAL TRACK LISTING?


Yes, check out the Dead Can Dance Web Site:


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On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, STARLITE BROCK EXT 4807 wrote:

> I picked up a few DCD boots last weekend.  One is called 'Dark Christ-mas'
> and the other is called 'Live USA 1993'.  Does anyone have the correct
> track listings for these?  I'm pretty sure about half of each have
> made up song titles.  The sound quality is very good on both... very happy
> with them.
>
> Aaron
>

Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:18:23 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: *compilation madness*


there've been so many compilations to have come out in the past few months
(and weeks). It's maddening. TB's Wakefield; DC's Hey, Drag City; SMR's
Working Holiday; ones from Slumberland, Kill Rock Stars, and of course AVAM...
Can someone give me an overview of just what's out there, and what is and is
not worth checking out?  I think the rest of the list would appreciate
it, as well...
--thanks
mgarrett@depauw.edu


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:13:27 -0500
From: Richard Singer (wk03814@WORLDLINK.COM)
Subject: Re: GRRRRRRR!


Gil Gershman  wrote:

>Oooooh! Bark Psychosis nay-sayers get my fur to stand on end I tells ya!
>What is the problem people have with B.P?

First of all, Bison Boy, sorry to get your goat . . .  It's not as though we're
talking about Janet Jackson or something awful like that . . .
It's just that I had raised expectations which were not met.  Do
"people" have a problem with Bark Psychosis?  Then at
least I'm not alone -- because when I went out and purchased _Hex_, I'd
heard nothing but praise about the innovativeness, etc., of this group.
(In fact, the first praise I'd heard was from someone else I've
encountered both on 4AD-L and Alt.Music.Alternative -- who shall remain
nameless, unless he'd like to speak up :-).)

>They cross the best of ambient
>(which people seem to like) with the best of both "shoegazing" and
>whatever-you-call what AR Kane and their kin did (jazzy space dub?)
>It took me a few listens to get into "Hex". But the effort was worth it. The
>tension/emotion conveyed by the lack of extraneous notes and the serenity of
>its stripped-down sound are everything that blissful and heartfelt music
>aspire to. I browsed the lyrics..yeah, yeah, blah blah, I miss you, you miss
>me, etc. But the music whispers of things that words can't begin to say.

A "few listens" is probably more than I've given _Hex_, so maybe I'll
try it again some day.  But I didn't really get the same impressions
that you did . . .

>Indie rockers? B.P. don't come close to rocking - listen to the Blue EP -
>they use noise, distortion, and feedback in ways that even the best "indie"
>rockers (Unrest, Tsunami, Archers of Loaf, etc. IMHO) couldn't dream of. The
>use of borderline-techno beats is, for once, not even all that intrusive.
>B.P. strike a balance struck by so few bands (well, Labradford, and sometimes
>Seefeel - that's about all I can think of, though I have yet to hear Disco
>Inferno...) that this harsh "let's diss them in three-words-or-less" attitude
>really hurts.

Well, I didn't mean to *hurt* anybody!  Really, you shouldn't take
other people's tastes so seriously.  I've read a bunch of messages on
this list about how Lisa Gerrard is pretentious and unbearable, while I
think she's the greatest artist 4AD ever signed -- but that doesn't mean
I let these other opinions *hurt* me!  Perhaps you're overreacting a
bit.

As for "borderline techno beats . . . not even all that intrusive," I might
say that I find "borderline" beats the least desirable.  If we're
not talking about real ambient music (which includes other dynamics), then
the best techno, IMO, is the most hypnotic and trance-inducing, which
often involves using those beats in a very noticeable (and, if we're
lucky, innovative) way.

>What is it that you find so "generic" about their art. And THAT
>is a word which I would not use for all but the greatest "rock" musicians
>(again IMHO, HNIA, MBV, LLC, and all the Too Pure groups)

You mean you'd use the word "art" for these, right?  I'd probably agree
re. My Bloody Valentine.  I like His Name Is Alive, but I
wouldn't call their work "art" unless it's accompanied by a Quay
Brothers video.  I'm not sure I know who "LLC" is . . .

As for "generic," what I meant is that there was nothing which had
distinguished Bark Psychosis from other bands in my mind.  Perhaps I
should add that I'm pretty jaded about "alternative" rock -- I've been
listening to punk and postpunk-related sounds for 18 years!  When I
heard _Hex_, I thought, "yeah, a little Pale Saints, a little
Felt . . ."  Of course, these groups are the kind that 99 percent of
rock music listeners have never heard of, so it's all a matter of
perspective, I guess.  But as I said, my "Don't Bother" list had more to
do with disappointed expectations than the general (i.e., generally awful)
scheme of things.

>If "Hex" didn't impress you, try "Independency"(early ep comp.).

Maybe I will . . .

>How anyone can not love this unique band ?(how many groups use a djembe and a
>string quartet so unintrusively?) I can rant and rave about B.P. all day -
>and all year. Same with the Boo Radleys

WHY the Boo Radleys?  (Woops, l probably should be more careful this
time :-) . . .)

>- and a bunch of others (Moose, HNIA,
>Slowdive, Stereolab) that sometimes seem to be misinterpreted by critics and
>music lovers.

I love Slowdive's first LP.  I like the new one, too, but it seems less
cohesive, and the "bonus tracks" wore off pretty fast.  Wasn't there
also some problem in the transition from the British edition to the
American, or am I confusing this with something else?

>Forgive my longwindedness - It goes to show what happens when you get a
>buffalo really mad.

How are you a buffalo?  Do you come from Buffalo?  (Me, I just take the
boring route and use my given name -- which does work pretty nicely on
music lists.)

-- Richard Singer


Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:28:33 -0600
From: toaster oven (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: two collecting questions...

              8 Dec 1994 09:59:27 -0600

i went to my local half-price bookstore today and found three interesting LP's:
1) a cocteau twins 12"--how rare are these in general?
2)felt--it had 4ad-like packaging--anyone know what this is like?
3)loop--same ? as #2

if you have any info about these, please mail me privately or to the list.
thanks!
-joanna-
dalia was smoking a cigar...


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