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Subject: It's polling time!
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 06:52:56 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@ifi.uio.no)
Subject: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:49:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: DCD / Garden of Arcane .
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:49:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Rightwing ha
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:49:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: ultracindy...
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:50:10 -0800
From: Kevin Carhart (ukevc@MCL.MCL.UCSB.EDU)
Subject: Re: etc....
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:25:11 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Grenadine
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:29:06 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Grenadine
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:58:47 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...lsd's 'kykeon' question...
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:36:16 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...lsd's 'kykeon' question...
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:58:28 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: kykeon
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:06:24 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: kykeon
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:43:10 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: LISA GERMANO: "Boo!"
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:55:46 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Top 94 Songs of 1994
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:29:00 -0500
From: Henrique Fernandes (henrique.fernandes@canrem.com)
Subject: REVIEW: Ambient 4: Isolationism
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:29:16 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Ambient 4: Isolationism
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:30:40 -0800
From: Ned Raggett (eahg119@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: New Cindytalk album : Wappinschaw
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:25:43 -0500
From: "Jen Greene, (70004.3771@compuserve.com)" (Oxmox@AOL.COM)
Subject: lisa germano's psychopath
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:26:10 EST
From: KingofSweet (lycia@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...the end is near...
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:47:57 -0500
From: Richard Singer (wk03814@WORLDLINK.COM)
Subject: Fairytales of Slavery
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:00:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:35:04 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:13:38 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Germano "Psychopath" sample
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:26:40 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: LAIKA (was) RE: kykeon
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:46:58 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Reply to LAIKA (was) RE: kykeon
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:54:17 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Re: ...the end is near...
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:16:09 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:27:07 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) RE: kykeon
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:29:36 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Reply to LAIKA (was) RE: kykeon
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:36:35 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: my bloody valentine lyrics anyone!!!
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:07:17 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: NETTWERK CONTEST
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 94 14:24:07 -0800
From: Nettwerk (Nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca)
Subject: Re: Grenadine
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:55:00 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: does anyone know anything about TONE?
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:00:03 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: Eden
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:02:40 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: v23 book/this rimy river?
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:01:32 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: AVAM video
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:04:52 -0800
From: Delphine Eunice Hwang (delfy@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: any suggestions for someone new to Dead Can Dance?
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:08:42 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: any suggestions for someone new to Dead Can Dance?
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:20:32 -0800
From: Bradford Chamberlain (brad@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: DCD BOOTS / ANYONE HAVE REAL TRACK LISTING?
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:53:00 0000
From: STARLITE BROCK EXT 4807 (SBROCK@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HARRIS.COM)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:49:05 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: GRRRRRRRRRRR!
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:09:19 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:25:00 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 06:52:56 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@ifi.uio.no)
Subject: It's polling time!


Snow, snow. Sleet, sleet. Rain, rain. Christmas is here again.

So it's time for the year-end poll. To decrease the amount of work I
have to do, I must insist on that people follow the annoying rules
beneath. The tallying process will not be touched by human hands - it
will all be done by A Big Computer, and you know how stupid they are.

Here are the rules:

1) There are five categories.
     a) Your favourite release from 4AD this year.
     b) Your favourite release from 4AD ever.
     c) Your favourite band on 4AD ever.
     d) Your favourite release not from 4AD this year.
     e) The most disappointing release this year, on 4AD or off.
   Vote in any or all of these categories.

2) You have ten points to hand out *in*each*category*. Let's take
category d) as an example:

---- EXAMPLE ---------
d)

4 Phothished - Stupid
1 Cabaret Artaud - The Monologue
2 Russian Astronaut Dog - Self Titled
3 Sick muze - Twist'n'Sequence
---- EXAMPLE END -----

As you can see, the points cleverly add up to 10.

2) All the categories have to be formatted exactly like you see
above. Start with the category ("a)", "b)", etc), then your votes with
the points first, group name second and release name third.

2) Any votes that do not follow that format will confuse my poor
computer.

2) There are four rules named "2".

3) Send your votes to 'larsi@ifi.uio.no'. Do not send them to this
list.

4) Your votes have to be in before Dec. 15.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:49:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Blockbuster Music


>einexile wrote [some text omitted]:
>> You would rather the
>> employees decide for the owners what their stores will be like?

    DG , said on 12/02/94
>  No, I would not.  I just don't think that the length of a person's
>hair or whether they choose to decorate their earlobes has anything to
>do with job performance. The qualities I would look for in a retail sales
>employee do not include such arcane aspects as short hair for men and
>long "feminine" hair for women.


Although, I don't think it really applies to the music retail industry as much a
 to other
business, something needs to be said for looking smart in a career. At the momen
 I have long
hair and two earrings (I am male btw) and as soon as a graduate, I am going to h
ve to cut the
hair and loose the earings. I am studing engineering, which (in SOuth Africa at 
east) is still
very formal and if I wanted to get a job with a presigous company (like Anderson
Consultin, or
Siemens etc) I would have to look 'respectable'. ALthough wothout the earings an
 with my hair
tied back I dont look scruffy, It is not smart enough for the type of people who
have been in
engineering for the last 20 years. Thats the way life is and I am not proud enou
h to turn down
a good job just to make a point/statement.

    gnome

Gnome
adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za
P.O. Box 786782 Sandton 2146 RSA
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:49:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: DCD / Garden of Arcane .


I work in a software retailer on weekends. After listening to the introduction t
 'Under a
killing moon' for the 83time I got the hell in and went to my car to fetch the c
rtrage from
my shuttle. I put on DCD a paasage in time and my boss asked me who it was. When
I told him
he say's that he has one of their records at home, so I asked to boorrow it.

    What it is is a vinyl recording of Garden of Arcane Delights. 4 tracks , BAD
408. is
this rare or unusual in any way????

    Gnome
    Who just compleded his TMC collection with I' E' I' TEARS and after 83 spins
is still
not tired.
Gnome
adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za
P.O. Box 786782 Sandton 2146 RSA
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:49:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Rightwing ha


Right wing left wing chicken wing.

    Hah

    Pah

    I am a South African, and until you people have 40 years of what we just hav
 I don't
think you'll top us on anything right or left wing. How many people have died in
yr country
so that people can have long hair at cd shops.

    Gnome

    Who actually believes that deep fried chicken wings is the only way to go.
Gnome
adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za
P.O. Box 786782 Sandton 2146 RSA
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:50:10 -0800
From: Kevin Carhart (ukevc@MCL.MCL.UCSB.EDU)
Subject: ultracindy...


Hey, I noticed Ultracindy go by... it's a good band from Brilliant records
which is an American melodic indie like SpinART or something... actually,
I don't know what the hell is wrong with SpinART now, I heard the Zeke
Fiddler and I think it's awful.

more cross-fertilization between 4AD and that indie-list world which
exists parallel to 4AD but makes equally heartfelt music.  It's a nice
counter to people who impose contrived, artificial limits upon themselves,
who think that somehow you have to sound tormented to have depth.
I know people who never would have touched Unrest when they were on 7"
but were all over them once they signed with 4AD.  Hmm, I'm babbling.
I didn't go to AVAM but the whole thing kind of leaves me cold.  I still
haven't gotten over the Cocteau Twins not being on anymore.  It just
doesn't ring true with me.  I finally got Four Calendar Cafe & it's good.

Kevin
ba bada ba ba ba ba I just get caught out..


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:25:11 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: etc....


On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Julian Stewart wrote:

> 1) Jazz Butcher/Jazz Butcher Conspiracy: Just picked up "Waiting for the
>         Love Bus" the other day. Pat Fish is an _amazing_ songwriter.   And
>         anybody who covers "Everybody's Talking" gets brownie points :)

Am I the only one around these parts who thinks the Jazz Butcher gets old
 really quickly?

> 2) Nick Drake: Everbody needs to own a copy of "Five Leaves Left." These are
>         incredibly powerful songs...no doubt in my mind that Ivo would attempt
>         to sign him were he still alive. Heidi Berry's male counterpart....

Oh no, I'd disagree here.  While i think Heidi Berry's roots in British Folk
 can be traced to Nick Drake, i'm sure she's much much happier then Nick
 probably was at any time in his too-short life.

kagin
kagin@tyrell.net

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:29:06 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Grenadine


Is it just me (you can probably answer this k-j) or is
the new Grenadine album *almost* not worth the wait? Sure,
I haven't heard it more than a couple times, but somehow the
songs don't seem as strong as on Goya. There's a few good
ones, yes, but don't the ones that Jenny sings on seem
like outtakes from the recent Tsunami album?

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 |  you can't chop down symmetry
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     |
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:58:47 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Grenadine


> Is it just me (you can probably answer this k-j) or is
> the new Grenadine album *almost* not worth the wait? Sure,
> I haven't heard it more than a couple times, but somehow the
> songs don't seem as strong as on Goya. There's a few good
> ones, yes, but don't the ones that Jenny sings on seem
> like outtakes from the recent Tsunami album?

  well, first...let me say this: i like both albums. however, i
  think goya has the edge on this one. warren's production
  aside {and his touch only truly shines on the christiansen
  ep}, i'm rather bummed with jenny's vocals. i'm not a tsunami
  fan, though i've heard enough of their music to know what all
  the fuss is. i think a problem with nopalitos {which i've only
  given a good run-through this afternoon} is jenny's vox...i like
  the way it was brought out and mixed on 'srew'. in fact, i
  prefer that version of the song than what appears on the album.
  but as i went through all the songs on nopalitos i was sort of
  disappointed that warren didn't do something more with her voice.
  she doesn't have a bad voice at all, but it seems sort of flat and
  dry on the record..and that starts to rub off on her songs. i was
  aching for something more interesting from her than what i got.
  when i give the disc a few more spins, i'll come to a more coherent point
  with what i like & dislike about the recording. overall, it is a great
  record. i wasn't expecting another goya {i like to keep my hopes down
  when a band releases a record, just in case it turns out to be the
  worst thing ever}, so this works for me. 'this girl's in love with
  you' is just a *great* song. my friend had taped a somewhat cleaner
  version of the song for me {and forgot to list it on the tape} and
  though it isn't anything special, it's still a song that is both sweet
  and beautiful. just lovely. i like the jangley happiness of many of the
  songs...it's all very light and mellow and funny in some instances...
  just good ear candy, as they say. and thanks to warren, i now know all
  about questionable cattle ear-marks...


  * k-j * ...'no habla Beatnik, okay?'...


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:36:16 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...lsd's 'kykeon' question...


  lessee...i know it's on a hyperium comp., the new cd, and the
  altered mind flexi..but what is the diff. between the three
  versions? the one on the hyperium comp sounds like the one on
  ardor, but i don't have the flexi version so that's why i
  am wondering....


  *k* ...hey, isn't that Hecubus playing keyboards for DCD?...

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:58:28 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...lsd's 'kykeon' question...


On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

>   lessee...i know it's on a hyperium comp., the new cd, and the
>   altered mind flexi..but what is the diff. between the three
>   versions? the one on the hyperium comp sounds like the one on
>   ardor, but i don't have the flexi version so that's why i
>   am wondering....

The Ardor version is slightly different from the 50 Years of Brain Damage
track, though it's possible that it's the same recording, treated
somehow. It's about as similar as the version of Love's Labour's Lost
that appears on Heavenly Voices. (I wonder why the title wasn't tweaked
like they normally do?)

The Altered Mind flexi does not exist. It was accidentally pressed with
Veruca Salt demos and recalled by order of the Surgeon General. :P

Fanzines. Can't live with 'em.


 einexile

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:06:24 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: kykeon


  ..yep..my mistake with the hyperium & L.S.D. comps. i'm getting
  all confoozled. there's just too many compilations.... :(


  *k* ...i command e to buy this laika album, & everyone else as well...


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:43:10 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: kykeon


On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

>   ..yep..my mistake with the hyperium & L.S.D. comps. i'm getting
>   all confoozled. there's just too many compilations.... :(

No, not if you're talking about what I think you are. A version of
"Noumena of Spirit" appeared on Hy!
Ah, hell with it...

Gray land 3 - Mediterranea, Forgo (version)
Hy! - Noumena
50 Years - Kykeon (version)
Heavenly Vox - Love's Labour Lost
...plus the two btbg covers from o' these reminders...


 einexile, who thanks to mouse on mars will never buy from t.p. again! :p

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:55:46 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: LISA GERMANO: "Boo!"


On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Susan Curran wrote:

> > This said, I am disturbed by the use of the sample in this song
> > Psychopath (I think we're talking about the same track, here?). If I
> > remember correctly, the woman in that recording was neither raped nor
> > stalked nor mistreated by her boyfriend, but rather murdered and robbed
> > by a total stranger. That memory is very vague, though, and I'd
> > appreciate someone clearing it up for me. Hopefully I'm wrong, but if
> > not, I'd find it pretty sick that it would be misused that way. As it is
> > now it kind of ruins the album for me knowing that someone's murder was
> > misrepresented in order to make a point.

> Well, I think that's part of the point - you're -supposed- to be disturbed by
> it certainly, although what you're talking about is something else entirely.

What I'm talking about is being disturbed by the ethical status of
someone's actions, such as murdering someone, or putting a recording of
it on your album, or deciding for them that what's important about their
murder is that they were raped in the process. What I'm not talking about
is being disturbed by how powerful the album is, and I think people who
say they're disturbed by music are lying. Which are you talking about?

> I don't know what you mean by saying that this woman's death/rape was
> misrepresented. Lisa used the sample in order to make a point, and she
> certainly doesn't take such things lightly.

Yes she does. She may be very pious and self-righteous about it, and she
may feel that it is her place to use such material to make whatever point
she wishes to make, but she's wrong. Maybe I can forgive it if the story
is true and she is plagued by that 911 call, but I have no reason to
believe this is the case and you don't get to refer people to your press
release when they don't understand your album.

> It's chilling, harrowing and speaks tomes about the state of women,

It certainly does.

> the state of society,

What does society have to do with it? Did society turn a nice guy into a
murderer? Did society not provide a good enough police force, or stupidly
expect that woman to defend herself instead of making others do it for
her?

> and even the state of the police department/911 staff that didn't take
> this victim seriously until it was too late.

Are you sure? My recollection is that the person who handled the call did
his job just fine, and this is what I get from the sample on the disc as
well. Do you really think they heard this screaming woman on the phone
and thought "to hell with it"? you may be right, but it sounds like a
fantasy to me and you'd better be sure before you go blaming a murder on
a third party's incompetence. I disagreed with what he told her to do,
but his behavior was proper and it's was not his obligation to tell her
to stop blubbering and get up and do something.

> It may be under the guise of "entertainment" to use the term
> ambiguously, but it's certainly not entertaining, nor is it meant to be.

Then why is it a song? Why is it on an otherwise entertaining album? This
is the attitude that allows for such treatment of someone's suffering:
that art is as important as life, that truth can be portrayed in fiction.
A Lisa Germano album is like a good hot dog or a pet turtle. It's for
fun. Let's not blow this out of proportion just because she has.

> I don't think she belittles the incident in any way - she's simply trying
> to raise people's awareness because things like that and Kitty Genovese
> don't have to happen.

Raise awareness of what? Who here is not aware that people are sometimes
murdered in their homes? What are you saying here? That Lisa Germano is
trying to convince us not to break into people's houses and kill them?
It didn't work on me. The lyrics to that song are silly. If you were
murdered, would it be okay for me to assume your permission to make it
into any kind of song I wished, for whatever end I believed to be right
and just and awareness-boosting?

Anyway, I'll bet you it wasn't even her idea.


 einexile


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:29:00 -0500
From: Henrique Fernandes (henrique.fernandes@canrem.com)
Subject: Top 94 Songs of 1994


For the third year in a row I am compiling the top 94 songs of 1994 to be
played back on CKMS 100.3 FM in Waterloo.  I am asking that people try to
email me their lists using the following format.  Keep in mind that you
should try not to list your local indie garage acts that I have probably
never heard of.  Also keep in mind that you can not list songs that have
been reissued this year.  Try to make sure that the release came out in
1994.  Please have all replies in by Jan. 19 1995.  Here's the format to
use.  Thanks in Advance

      Song Title             CD Title           Artist          Label
1
2
3
4
5
and so on.

PS. if you don't know the label that is ok.  Please list your top 30.  Thanks


... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message."
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:29:16 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: REVIEW: Ambient 4: Isolationism

              "ambient@hyperreal.com" 

[[This is crossposted to the 4AD-list and the Ambient-list.]]


This is quite possibly the best compilation album I have ever heard, and
that's including "Lonely Is An Eyesore", "Excursions In Ambience" and
"Urgh!". It's a double CD containing 152 minutes of seriously _dark_ and
spooky ambient music. No twinkly sequencers, no Timothy Leary samples, no
seagulls or ocean waves, no TB303's, and hardly any beats at all on most of
the tracks. Instead you get lots of wonderfully amorphous droning and oozing
with occasional dissonance tearing its way across, sometimes leavened by
percussion or dubbiness.

To quote from the liner notes:
"The proliferation of sanitized chill-out zones in the clubs of 1994 stands
as both a testament to and an indictment of Ambient's current resurrection
...
  "In selectively pursuing this retro-revivalism, ambient is now advocating
the circumnavigation of humanity's darker impulses, as it steadily mutates
into the undimensional muzak Eno sought to counter...
  "Dropping inwards instead of reaching out, this compilation's furtive music
sounds as paranoic as it does panoramic, and is in direct contrast to its
mellower relative. Where New ambient seeks to avoid discomfort, this
Isolationist strain uses the studio as a monastic retreat to encourage
self-confrontation...
  "Sharing the same micro-dynamic as Ambient, but avoiding its familiarity,
Isolationist music unsettles by its lack of recognizable landmarks. It
thankfully questions more than it answers, as it forms an antidote to our
pre-programmed surroundings."


  What's interesting is how many of the contributors are or were associated
with loud and extreme rock bands such as Godflesh, Scorn, Loop, Spacemen 3,
My Bloody Valentine, and Zeni Geva. The sounds they make here are often but
not always detectably guitar-based, but always powerful and complex. In fact,
in quality and in sheer ambientness they definitely exceed many of the tracks
from people more often associated with ambient music (Aphex Twin, Seefeel,
Labradford.)
  It's hard to point out the best tracks -- both because the overall quality
is so high, and because a lot of the tracks are so amorphous and blend
together so well. I was extremely impressed with KK Null/Jim Plotkin, Ice
(nice ambient dub), Zoviet*France, Paul Schutze, E.A.R and Main -- all of
whom I was unfamiliar with before listening to this CD. (If anyone wants to
recommend more stuff by them, please feel free!)
  There are a few distinct low points. The Aphex Twin track I find literally
unlistenable, to the point of actual pain; there's a horrible high-pitched
electronic screeching all the way through it and the rest is formless yet
unpleasant electronic noises. Absolutely non-ambient. Nijiumu's track has
some nice backing sounds but annoying Japanese vocal wailing up front.
However, as these are the first track of disc 2 and the last track of disc 1,
they're easy to skip.
  e has previously complained about the Seefeel track; I admit it's a minor
work from them, but I find its stick-figure dub kind of charming. The
Labradford track is also unspectacular but fits in well both in context here
and next to the quieter parts of "Prazision LP". Scorn present a stripped
down fully-ambient mix of "Silver Rain Fell"; I prefer the original but this
take on it is interesting too.

Overall this is an incredibly high-quality package. At $20 for two CDs with
two and a half hours of music, it's a bargain. I can't recommend it too
highly to any fan of any of the bands represented, or to anyone seeking
sounds that are quiet, dark and unsettling.


Here's the list of contributors. Where people are better-known under other
names I've put those names in parentheses:

KK Null / Jim Plotkin  [Zeni Geva]
Jim O'Rourke
Ice
Raoul Bjorkenheim
Labradford
Techno Animal
Paul Schuetze
Scorn
Disco Inferno
Total
Nijiumu
Aphex Twin
AMM
Seefeel
'O'Rang  [ex-Talk Talk]
E.A.R  [Sonic Boom + Kevin Shields + ?]
Sufi  [Rudi from AR Kane]
David Toop & Max Eastley  [Doesn't Toop run Warp records?]
Main  [Robert from Loop]
Final  [Justin from Godflesh]
Lull  [Mick Harris of Scorn, ex-Napalm Death]
Thomas Koener


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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:30:40 -0800
From: Ned Raggett (eahg119@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Ambient 4: Isolationism

              "ambient@hyperreal.com" 

On 9 Dec 1994, Jens Alfke wrote:

>   It's hard to point out the best tracks -- both because the overall quality
> is so high, and because a lot of the tracks are so amorphous and blend
> together so well. I was extremely impressed with KK Null/Jim Plotkin, Ice
> (nice ambient dub), Zoviet*France, Paul Schutze, E.A.R and Main -- all of
> whom I was unfamiliar with before listening to this CD. (If anyone wants to
> recommend more stuff by them, please feel free!)

Gladly.  Ice has at least one album, _Under the Skin_, available on
Pathological Records [distributed in the US by Revolver].  Paul Schutze
has a number of releases out, some more recently under a pseudonym of
some kind; an excellent starting point would be the _New Maps of Hell_
album on Extreme, a fantastic label in general.  Main has a number of
fine releases, all available on Beggars Banquet; look for _Hydra-Calm_
[UK only], the _Dry Stone Feed_ EP, and _Motion Pool_.

While we're talking about this compilation, are both it and _Ambient 3_
now available in the US?

Ned Raggett
eahg119@ea.oac.uci.edu

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:25:43 -0500
From: "Jen Greene, (70004.3771@compuserve.com)" (Oxmox@AOL.COM)
Subject: New Cindytalk album : Wappinschaw


It`s Friday the 9th and last night I got a copy of Wappinschaw in the mail
with a very nice note from Gordon. I`ve only had a chance to listen to it a
few time all the way through, but I can definitely say that I LOVE THIS ALBUM
and it was worth the wait (although I hope there won`t be another wait like
this for new material).

I almost laughed when I played the first song. ``The First Time Ever...`` is,
if I`m not mistaken, a song done by a MoTown artist (Gladys Knight, or
someone like that). But then again, she could have covered it from someone
else and it`s just a long line of covers but anyway, that has nothing to do
with Cindytalk`s version of it. It`s a beautiful song with no musical
accompanyment that preludes an extremely (in my opinion) romantic album. From
the references, lyrics, etc. a lot of it points to romantic attachments. Then
we kick into Song of Changes from the Secrets + Falling EP. The only
difference on this is the sounds from the movie Spirit of the Beehive are
left out. Followed by that is Empty Hand, also from S+F. Return To Pain
builds quietly then explodes and will satisfy anyone wanting the
``beautiful`` version of Gordon`s voice. Actually, there`s a lot of that on
this album, less of the threatening weapon-like vocals of In This World.
Wheesht starts with a story about a boy`s drawing and his understanding of
where the horizon and sky meet. Building in the background is the loop from
Touched on In This World. This track ends with lots of noise and
unintelligable shouting in the background. Snowkisss has the piano work of In
This World vol. 2 and The Wind Is Strong... with more beautiful vocals. The
song Secrets and Falling follows with great percussion are the lead
instrument rather than the guitar. Disappear is a real tension-fest. Seems we
have several songs on this album that build up from something quiet to either
something loud or something tenser than the beginning. Traumlose Nachte is
piano, horns, and no vocals. Kind of light and quiet. And Now In Sunshine is
a new version with additional lyrics and similar music although changed with
more horns and less of the evil lughing guitar that the song originally ended
with. I love both versions but really miss the ending of the first version
not being on the new one. Prince of Lies is also a new version cleaned up and
less raw than the version on the 7-inch. The last song Hush ends with vocals,
light guitar, sound samples, and beautiful bagpipes (about 2-3 minutes of
it). I`ve never really paid attention to bagpipes before, mainly becuase what
I heard was always badly recorded clatter. But on this you can really tell
that it`s a beautiful instrument. Hidden a few minutes after Hush ends is
Muster (from the 7-inch). This, even though it`s the same version, sounds
better than the vinyl. Maybe it`s just that I have a shitty record player (I
do, actually).

That`s my opinion. It has the noise, it has the shouting, it hads the quiet
moments, it has the pretty voice that Ivo of 4AD preferred, it has all the
aspects of the previous albums. In fact, if someone were to ask me which one
to start on, I`d say Wappinschaw. Then once they decided what aspect they
liked best, you could point them in the direction of which album to try next.

When I called him, he was writing up press releases and trying to get them in
the mail today. He`s going to send me a press packet to copy and send to
American magazines to get as much possible exposure as possible. If anyone
can think of any magazine, zine, publication, etc that might look favorably
on this, send me contact info (oxmox@aol.com) so I can forward it
appropriately. I`ll post the content when I receive it.

Also, Gordon didn`t know that the track he recorded for the Emigre Sampler #3
was out yet. He hasn`t received his copies of the CD yet. I haven`t got the
copy that I ordered either, but it`s supposed to take 4-6 weeks, so I`ll
wait.

Post any info you`ve got.........................................        Paul
 (oxmox@aol.com)

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:26:10 EST
From: KingofSweet (lycia@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: lisa germano's psychopath


well, this discussion is nearing resolution - i just heard an interview with
lisa on the radio (wbai 99.5 new york) and luckily (obviously) they talked
about psychopath...i will transcribe the interview tomorrow...it was pretty
informative and she is the coolest geek i have ever known (heard).

...a baseball bat, a baseball bat

peter

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:47:57 -0500
From: Richard Singer (wk03814@WORLDLINK.COM)
Subject: Re: ...the end is near...


Finally, a really fun thread!


1. Orbital, Snivilisation  -- a great concept album, a terrific mix of
ambient and hard techno (as always with these guys), and a huge amount of
innovation.  I love this.

2. Dead Can Dance, Toward The Within -- Call me die-hard or something,
but I love most of this album, especially the songs at the beginning and
the end.

3. Trance Planet (compilation) -- a great compilation of multinational
exotic musics (meaning most of the individual groups are multinational),
containing a good number of songs that fuse traditional Eastern and Arabic
sounds with contemporary musical innovations and technology.  (Hmm, sounds a
little like a blurb I read for _Toward The Within_ :-) . . .)

4. Miranda Sex Garden, Fairytales of Slavery --  I've already gone on
about this one -- the best real rock ablum of the year.  Original, dreamy,
Gothic, arty, cacaphonous and sexy . . .


Very good:

1. Autechre, Incunabula -- It took a while for this to grow on me, but
it's very engaging electronic ambience.

2. B12, Electro-Soma -- Along the same lines, but with more of a beat.
It's great just to let yourself sink into this . . .

3. Artificial Intelligence II --  I like this, though it didn't delight me
as much as the first AI compilation.  It's a good compilation to use as
a reference point when you want to figure out which other current "electronic
listening music" releases to buy.

4.  Sheila Chandra, The Zen Kiss -- She is sensational when she drones!
This contains some fine meditative music  -- better than Chandra's previous
releases.  The "Speaking In Tongues" pieces could use some livening up, though t
ey're
interesting.  I'd put this in my "Best" category if it weren't for the more
pretentious wimmin's pieces, like that ridiculous tale about the mother proudly
showing her baby the womb that he had come from . . .



1. St. Etienne, Tiber Bay --  Some good tracks here, but it could have been
better, and I ultimately found it disappointing for St. Etienne.

2. Slowdive, Souvlaki -- I have similar feelings about this.  I liked it
more at first, but ultimately it paled next to their beautiful first LP,
 _Just For A Day_.  And, as with St. Etienne's album, I've got all kinds of
unanswered questions re. the rumored deterioration from British release to
domestic, the necessity (or lack thereof) to include certain bonus
tracks (or remixes in St. Etienne's case), etc. . . .

3. The Future Sound of London, Lifeforms -- Maybe this shows I'm not a hardcore
ambient fan, but I didn't find this to be as sensational as other people
were claiming.  There's so much filler noise on this album, and much of
it is just too soporiphic for me.  Although, if I'm falling asleep
already, it can be a very nice soundtrack for my dreams.

4. Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares, Ritual -- I love the Bulgarian women
live, but this release is a bit quaint for my tastes.  I wish there were
yet more vocal tracks and fewer traditional East European instrumentals.


Don't Bother:

1. Bark Psychosis, Hex -- What was all the fuss about?  This is generic
inie-rock doodling to me, with little in the way of excitement or enchantment.

2. Vision, The Music of Hildegard Von Bingen -- Talk about lack of
excitement!  I wish they'd given this project to Dead Can Dance or one
of the groups on _Trance Planet_.  It's supposed to be a mixture of medieval
vocals and "worldbeat," which could be terrific.  But it's got that
annoying New Age Muzak quality of not wanting to raise anyone's pulse . . .

-- Richard Singer

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:00:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Fairytales of Slavery


RS , said on 12/09/94


>I finally picked up this album (tape, in my case) by Miranda Sex Garden,
>and I want to say, I do like it!  In fact, I haven't enjoyed a

>-- Richard Singer
>

    Have to agree it is a totally excellant group/album.

    Gnome

    I found a MSG908T number plate lying on the road. It would make a great albu
 cover.
Gnome
adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:35:04 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...


Where is the DEAD CAN DANCE song THE ENDLESS LONGING OF SEA DOVES found on..

-Eddie

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:13:38 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?


In message Thu, 8 Dec 1994 00:01:06 -0800,
  * kelli-jeanne * put down Ninja-Kitty and whispered:

> the dirt eaters ep & mouth by mouth are more on the
> quirky-accessible side...it's experimentation of a different nature...

Well, I have to disagree.  MBM is the one I play the most... next to HIIYH.
Livonia being the least.

> it seems like new ground being broken, but it's not..it doesn't
> feel like it. kinda odd. it can rokk and it can be creepy or touching,
> playful and light, or weird and goofy. if you want some upbeatness
> in your life, buy mouth by mouth and never let it get past track one.
> it's a gem.

What about DRINK DRESS AND INK!!!???  What a Koolio song!  And same with IN
EVERY FORD and TORSO.  MBM may not be a "ground breaking" album, but neither
is Livonia, with it's THIS MORTAL COIL esk feel.

> :) king of sweet is more for the longtime fans..a long
> ebb & flow of various songs and demo-ish material and some hicks saying
> their goodbyes atthe very end {no offense to any hicks on the list}. :)

Are you sure they're not Amish people?
hehe

> hmm..i guess i wrote enough. i'm sure someone else can shed a much
> more coherent viewpoint on the subject...
>

Doubt it.

> *k* ...not the least bit angry with jOHN, btw...
>
> well, not anymore ;)
>

Ya-hooo!!  ... oops, i regressed back to my hick stage again... sorry about
that.

        -jOHN and SGT. Tibbs who are both running on 2 hours of sleep


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:26:40 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Germano "Psychopath" sample


In message Thu, 8 Dec 1994 02:15:58 -0800,
  vilexile   writes:

> while in the recording a real, live, terrified woman is
> screaming, "who are you?". You're right that, regardless all this, it is a
> little too serious even for a very serious album, but the fact of
> someone's real-life horrors being used for spooky ambience on a rock
> record, in any context other than a purposeful song about the actual
> event...I cannot look past that. I think it is in very poor taste.
>
> einexile
>

I agree with the poor taste.  But at the same time, few recordings have ever
made me feel that uncomfortable and disturbed.  It's not easy for anything
to have type of effect on me these days.  So in that sense, I really like
the song and sample.  But at the same time, I feel deeply for the woman on
the tape.  I feel sad for her, because I know if I was in that situation, I
would be screaming bloody-hell also.  I would be mighty upset if it was *MY*
sister on that sample.  I wonder if her family knows about it.
     -jOHN torn between right and wrong

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:46:58 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: LAIKA (was) RE: kykeon


In message Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:06:24 -0800,
  * kelli-jeanne *   writes:

> *k* ...i command e to buy this laika album, & everyone else as well...
>

I second this command.  That includes you *K*... taped copies don't count!
        -jOHN

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:54:17 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to LAIKA (was) RE: kykeon

              09 Dec 94 15:46:58 EST" <2ee8c2fc1947002@cdsmail.cdc.com>

>> *k* ...i command e to buy this laika album, & everyone else as well...
>>

>I second this command.  That includes you *K*... taped copies don't count!
>        -jOHN

OK, my interest is pricked.  (take that last sentence and run with it)
What exactly am I supposed  to buy?

And since when did *kj* become *k* ?  Getting a little too familiar aren't we?



___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@catherine.cim.cdc.com
"gifted child, omouidashite yo"
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:16:09 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...the end is near...


> 2. Vision, The Music of Hildegard Von Bingen -- Talk about lack of
> excitement!  I wish they'd given this project to Dead Can Dance or one
> of the groups on _Trance Planet_.  It's supposed to be a mixture of medieval
> vocals and "worldbeat," which could be terrific.  But it's got that
> annoying New Age Muzak quality of not wanting to raise anyone's pulse . . .

  ugh..this reminds me. i was listening to Chris Douridas {KCRW} not too
  long ago..may have been last week, for all i can remember, and he had an
  early music ensemble in the studio..anyway, he mentioned some project
  that was taking the music of ol' Hildy and :groan: putting it with
  some sort of techno *dance* music. it's not a finished project as far as i
  know, but this really made me kind of sick...

  *k*


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:27:07 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?


On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Sgt. Tibbs morphed into jOHN's body to write:

> > the dirt eaters ep & mouth by mouth are more on the
> > quirky-accessible side...it's experimentation of a different nature...
>
> Well, I have to disagree.  MBM is the one I play the most... next to HIIYH.
> Livonia being the least.

  you can't disagree and say you play MBM the most..that's sort of what
  i was getting at, silly! quirky-accessible...probably something a
  new fan would play more often than the other releases... :)

> What about DRINK DRESS AND INK!!!???  What a Koolio song!  And same with IN
> EVERY FORD and TORSO.  MBM may not be a "ground breaking" album, but neither
> is Livonia, with it's THIS MORTAL COIL esk feel.

  and just who's fault was that, hmmmmm? can we say, IVO? ;)

> Are you sure they're not Amish people?
> hehe

  i've never seen warren with his full beard & glasses, but i've been told
  it's a rather creepy sight. he sure does know an awful lot about
  barn raisings, though me thinks he's watched 'Witness' one too many
  times...


  * k-j * ...PA amish are *still* koolio, even with that psycho story
          jOHN sent me from the newspaper...

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:29:36 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) RE: kykeon


> > *k* ...i command e to buy this laika album, & everyone else as well...
>
> I second this command.  That includes you *K*... taped copies don't count!
>         -jOHN

  they do count when you don't have a job and about .35 cents in your
  saving's account...


  and that be *k* with a li'l k!!!! no caps!!! ;)

  *k*!

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:36:35 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Reply to LAIKA (was) RE: kykeon


> >> *k* ...i command e to buy this laika album, & everyone else as well...
>
> >I second this command.  That includes you *K*... taped copies don't count!
> >        -jOHN
>
> OK, my interest is pricked.  (take that last sentence and run with it)
> What exactly am I supposed  to buy?

  i don't like the word 'pricked'. i prefer 'piqued' {pronounced pea-Kayed}.
  anyhoo, you're supposed to buy the laika full length. of course, if
  you hate female whispery vox and drums and percussion from outer space
  and some pretty kool lyrics, then you shouldn't buy it...

> And since when did *kj* become *k* ?  Getting a little too familiar aren't we?

  * k-j * becomes *k* when i get too lazy to put the -j in.


  *k* ...just a li'l too familiar with sargent tibbs?...nah.....

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:07:17 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: my bloody valentine lyrics anyone!!!


"To Here Knows When"

Kiss your face
Your red button
Falls from my mouth

Slip your dress
Over your head
It's been so long

Ahhhh Ooooh Oooooh (etc)

Move on top
Because that way
You touch my tongue

Turn your head
Come back again
To here knows when

Ahhhh Ooooh Oooooh (etc)



"Blown A Wish"

Midnight wish
Blow me a kiss
I'll blow you one, too

Make like this
Try to pretend it's true

Show me all your favorite things
I'll show you all mine, too

Make a wish
I'll give it all to you

Welcome to your purposes
Welcome to mine, too

Make like this
I'll turn it in with you

Fall apart my bleeding heart
Nothing left to do

Once in love
I'll be the death of you



Those are the only MV BV lyrics I can recall at the moment.


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Subject: nettwerk contest


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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:55:00 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Grenadine


hrrrm.  i'd have to disagree.  i think nopalitos is far better than goya, not
just because of w. defever's production, either.  goya's songs tend to all
sound the same to me, i suppose the one i like best on that album is 'i only
have eyes for you.'  anyway, i like nopalitos more every time i listen to it,
even after some initial disappointment (i had hoped that i would sound more
like the christiansen e.p.).  'hell over hickory dew' is brilliant, oh, never
mind, the entire album is brilliant.  buy it....
tony

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:00:03 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: does anyone know anything about TONE?


wow.  i'm listening to a cd by a band called Tone called 'Build' that the
radio station i dj at received.  well, it's quite fantastic - lots of
guitars, just instrumental.  someone told me that 'someone from unrest' is in
this band.  does anyone know anything about Tone?
tony

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:02:40 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: Eden


does anyone know when the new Eden full-lengther will come out?  it was
scheduled for release in november, but i guess it was delayed since i haven't
gotten a postcard from projekt.  i certainly hope that it is similar in sound
to the healingbow e.p.  the healingbow e.p. is just plain wonderful.tony

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:01:32 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: v23 book/this rimy river?


in kj's best/worst of the year posting, she said something about a v23 this
rimy river book.  is this something that was only available at the avam
concerts or what?  i'd love to have one if i could find one...
tony

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:04:52 -0800
From: Delphine Eunice Hwang (delfy@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: AVAM video


Does anyone out there have the AVAM video compilation that just came out
this year?  Or does anyone know a store that is selling it?  If so, then
could you give me the number to that place?  I've looked all over my
town and can't find it.  Please respond back to me by personal e-mail.


                                        Thank you,
                                        Delphine

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:08:42 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: any suggestions for someone new to Dead Can Dance?


hey there.  i really liked the dcd song on the avam cd, so naturally i'm
curious as to what dcd albums are the best.  can anyone inform me of their
opinions on the best/worst?  oh, and is the dcd album from rykodisc a
compilation?
tony

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:20:32 -0800
From: Bradford Chamberlain (brad@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: any suggestions for someone new to Dead Can Dance?


You're likely to get 100 conflicting reports on this one.  I'd say for the
most part, you can't go wrong, so you can read the 100 posts you get and
not worry about the fact that everyone has a different favorite.

That said, I'd say to start with:  Aion or the Serpent's Egg.  Those are
my favorites, and how I got started (the two are probably related).

The latest album is live and is where the avam track comes from.  It's
called "Toward the Within".  The one thing that makes this one different
than other DCD stuff is that there are some songs by Brendan Perry (one
of the two principals in the group) which are from his upcoming solo
album.  Although I think they're great songs, they aren't really in the
typical DCD vein, and therefore seem somewhat out of place on this album.

Other ones you could start with are With the Realm of a Dying Sun or
Into the Labyrinth (the latest studio album).

I would avoid starting with "Dead Can Dance" and "Spleen and Ideal" --
although they're still great albums, they're harder to get started with,
and are least like what the group's like today.

Oh, and the Ryko disc you mention is a collection of songs from all the
albums from "Spleen and Ideal" to "Aion".  I think it's actually a great
collection of music, so you might want to start there.  The two
disadvantages of it are that (1) it doesn't have as much consistency as
most of the other albums by its nature as a compilation, and (2) if you
fall in love with them and get all the others, this one will be mostly
useless (except for the last two tracks which are new).

Whew!  Recap: (chronologically)

Dead Can Dance: most different from what they are today.  More art-rock goth
        than anything
Spleen and Ideal: this is the first album I heard quite some time ago, and
        I couldn't get into it.  It was only more recently that I
        rediscovered them, and then came back and liked this album more.
Within the Realm of a Dying Sun:  a fine place to start
the Serpent's Egg:  My first choice of where to start
A Passage In Time:  the Ryko compilation.  Other than the above two caveats
        an excellent place to start
Into the Labyrinth: a fine place to start
Toward the Within: a fine place to start, with the above caveats.

Really, though, you can't go wrong...

-Brad


On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Anthony E. Nelson wrote:

> hey there.  i really liked the dcd song on the avam cd, so naturally i'm
> curious as to what dcd albums are the best.  can anyone inform me of their
> opinions on the best/worst?  oh, and is the dcd album from rykodisc a
> compilation?
> tony
>


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:53:00 0000 ignored.
From: STARLITE BROCK EXT 4807 (SBROCK@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HARRIS.COM)
Subject: DCD BOOTS / ANYONE HAVE REAL TRACK LISTING?


I picked up a few DCD boots last weekend.  One is called 'Dark Christ-mas'
and the other is called 'Live USA 1993'.  Does anyone have the correct
track listings for these?  I'm pretty sure about half of each have
made up song titles.  The sound quality is very good on both... very happy
with them.

Aaron


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:49:05 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?


I don't know anything about tone, but it sounds intriguing...what label are
they on?

mgarrett@depauw.edu

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:09:19 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: GRRRRRRRRRRR!


Oooooh! Bark Psychosis nay-sayers get my fur to stand on end I tells ya!
What is the problem people have with B.P? They cross the best of ambient
(which people seem to like) with the best of both "shoegazing" and
whatever-you-call what AR Kane and their kin did (jazzy space dub?)
It took me a few listens to get into "Hex". But the effort was worth it. The
tension/emotion conveyed by the lack of extraneous notes and the serenity of
its stripped-down sound are everything that blissful and heartfelt music
aspire to. I browsed the lyrics..yeah, yeah, blah blah, I miss you, you miss
me, etc. But the music whispers of things that words can't begin to say.

Indie rockers? B.P. don't come close to rocking - listen to the Blue EP -
they use noise, distortion, and feedback in ways that even the best "indie"
rockers (Unrest, Tsunami, Archers of Loaf, etc. IMHO) couldn't dream of. The
use of borderline-techno beats is, for once, not even all that intrusive.
B.P. strike a balance struck by so few bands (well, Labradford, and sometimes
Seefeel - that's about all I can think of, though I have yet to hear Disco
Inferno...) that this harsh "let's diss them in three-words-or-less" attitude
really hurts. What is it that you find so "generic" about their art. And THAT
is a word which I would not use for all but the greatest "rock" musicians
(again IMHO, HNIA, MBV, LLC, and all the Too Pure groups)
If "Hex" didn't impress you, try "Independency"(early ep comp.). The balance
between extreme noise and feather-gentle melody is struck perfectly. "By
Blows" will scare you to death. It has a creeping sense of menace that death
metal, satanic sludgemetal, and Michael Bolton (:-D) can't compare to. But
other tracks drift like leaves on the wind - never touching the ground. It is
not earthbound music.

How anyone can not love this unique band ?(how many groups use a djembe and a
string quartet so unintrusively?) I can rant and rave about B.P. all day -
and all year. Same with the Boo Radleys - and a bunch of others (Moose, HNIA,
Slowdive, Stereolab) that sometimes seem to be misinterpreted by critics and
music lovers.
Please make it your New Year's resolution to try "Hex" - it's on Caroline, so
you'll have no problem finding it. Music this special deserves to be shared
with those who would appreciate it. (could that mean 4-ADLsters...)

Forgive my longwindedness - It goes to show what happens when you get a
buffalo really mad.

Nothing but good vibes, fellas!
BisonBoy(Gil Gershman)


Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:25:00 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!)


I think that's being unfair to *k*... taped copies are just as nice when
you're being mature and responsible about managing your money (unlike me!)

But, for ev'ry one out there who is not hip to the wonder that is Laika, I
'3RD' the recommendation - with one small note.

Maybe you should try the (cheaper) "Antenna" EP or (even cheaper, domestic)
Moonshake "Big Good Angel" mini-LP before the full length. That way you'll
know if Margaret's voice and insanely original instrumentation/percussion
drive you to the highest states of ecstacy  or just drive you insane. Then
you can "invest" in the big-bucks import full-length (though Too Pure imports
tend to be a bit cheaper than many other UK labels - especially 4AD - try
Smash! or Parasol - both are well-stocked and well-priced)
write me if you need addresses.
write me if you think I write too much.
write me.

BisonBoy(Gil)


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