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Subject: Lisa Germano in Playboy?!?!?
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:05:41 -0600
From: Brian M Miller (mubmm2@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Beavis=Beatles+Elvis
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:24:41 -0500
From: Milan Pejnovich (mxp9@PSU.EDU)
Subject: butthead
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:35:58 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: more news from afghanistan
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:45:24 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: CD TRADE: Peel session Garlands
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 00:52:50 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: descartes
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 02:01:51 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: AOL Virus Hoax
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:55:19 -0800
From: Shannon Appel (appel@cea.Berkeley.EDU)
Subject: Re: And Also the Trees
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Germano/IPR
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 03:06:43 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: thanks and suddenly tammy! question
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:24:36 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Moonshake, man!
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:20:33 -0500
From: Hk Kahng (FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Fur and Leather
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:38:04 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Virus Hoax
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:46:56 EST
From: Felicia Pickering (MNHAN063@SIVM.SI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:48:00 PST
From: Timothy Edwards (ECZ5TAE@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: XYMOX videos? ? ? ?
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:29:36 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pram and Laika
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:42:06 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:54:02 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: <<<<
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:14:31 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Wanna Be 4AD
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:25:00 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: 4AD/PIAS News
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:28:06 +0000
From: Huite Rietveld (cheiron@NETLAND.NL)
Subject: meanderings on this list / a love-hate story....
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:47:44 -0800
From: scarab or serephim (scarab@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Query: Intergalactic Garage (plus: the Breeders bootleg!)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:46:17 -0800
From: Bradford Chamberlain (brad@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: The yearly poll
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:29:05 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: now i wanna be your dog..uh...4ad
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:22:03 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Other music lists
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:34:27 EST
From: Dyana Morgan (Dyana_Morgan@HABITAT.ORG)
Subject: ...the end is near...
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:01:26 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Honey Tongue/Grenadine/Pram
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 20:30:07 -0500
From: Matthew D Horine (horinema@STUDENT.MSU.EDU)
Subject: simple machines hoopla
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 21:22:52 -0500
From: Matthew D Horine (horinema@STUDENT.MSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wanna Be 4AD/ more song listings (i.e. delete)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:56:14 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:05:41 -0600
From: Brian M Miller (mubmm2@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Germano in Playboy?!?!?

              4ad 

catchy title huh? but it is true...in the januuary 1995 issue.  as you
all know i am THE lisa germano fan...and found it funny to find her name
in the book.  Playboy is doing a "rock and jazz poll."  I am biased,
but i would vote for her...who would you?  here is the list...she is
listed in:

(note she is the only female)

Rock Instrumentalist

-Eric Clapton
-Lisa Germano
-Dave Grohl
-Buddy Guy
-Thurston Moore
-John Popper
-Keith Richards
-Carlos Santana
-Richard Thompson
-Charlie Watts
-WRITE IN


I think this is an honor for any artist to be nominated for any award.
way to go lisa...good job.  What do ya think are the odds she will win?!?

MILLER


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:24:41 -0500
From: Milan Pejnovich (mxp9@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Beavis=Beatles+Elvis

              Recipients of 4AD-L digests <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>

>          last night it came to me so clearly, i could almost touch it.
>                "Beatles" plus "Elvis" equals "Beavis"

Don't want to rain on your epiphany, but
                "Beavis" is also "beagle" plus "pelvis".

- Milan, just doing my part in making your day a little more surreal

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:35:58 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: butthead


butthead,...butthead...wherefore art thou butthead
 i think butthead is a hybrid of
sonny chiba, and ike turner....sorry i found nothing homononomous for butthead
all suggestions are welcome, oh and pardon the use of that ugly 75cent word
while im busy making analogies, anyone out there in whoville notice the band, th
   e offspring, parasitic buzzbin trash. well they sound identical to that 80's
metal band ratt.  and what ever became of ratt im wondering if their disappearan
   ce isnt just a little too suspicious to be thrown on the concidence pile, kaf
   ka would surely agree with me.  ill investigate further when i rap this oj si
   mpson
thing up. im pretty sure he did it, but the cross triangulation of fire theory
just isnt working, i think oj's dog best have a good alibi.  no stone may be lef
   t unturned.  as for offspring, where were you when the 80's went down...were
gonna get to the bottom of this...other analogies are on their way...
peace from all the afghan people at nwnd

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:45:24 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: more news from afghanistan


donald sutherland  homer simpson...yes yes it all makes sense
sorry to admit i could find no conclusive acronyms from the remaing
letters of the beavis parable, cryptomaniacs abroad, the letters are
TLES from beatles and EL from elvis...go to work...
i have this reincarnation theory about lisa simpson and miles davis..
no one plays like lisa plays though, interchanging musical
instruments while being reborn might have its difficulties.\
perhaps she is cannonball adderly or john coltrane...discuss
                                 peace...the afghans

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 00:52:50 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: CD TRADE: Peel session Garlands


I need the Moon and the Melodies and the Interview Picture CD to round
out my Cocteau Twins CD collection.  If anyone sees either of these in
a CD store and needs the CD I have, let's trade!

Thanks!

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 02:01:51 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: descartes


mike with the descartes question, what exactly did i say in reference to
descartes...it was nonsense, but im sure i had a bit a metho in the madness
please post me if you remember...include an adress thanks for the response
sorry i was forgetful....peace   afgahnistan at nwnd@grove.iup.edu


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 07:21:28 +0000
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: AOL Virus Hoax (fwd)


I cannot verify the authenticity of the message below, but it looks
cosher. Then again maybe it's THIS message that's the hoax!

________________________________________________________________________________
             |
Robb Masters | Lo-og, Lo-og, it's big it's heavy it's wood.
BT D&P SSI   | Lo-og, Lo-og, it's better than bad - it's good.
BSEC CEC     |                            "Log" by Blammo, Advertising Campaign.
_____________|__________________________________________________________________


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>From arithmetic-owner@uclink.berkeley.edu Wed Dec  7 04:04:44 1994

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:09:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Lilach Tene (lilac@cea.Berkeley.EDU)
Subject: AOL Virus Hoax (fwd)




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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:55:19 -0800
From: Shannon Appel (appel@cea.Berkeley.EDU)
Subject: AOL Virus Hoax


Here's some additional info on that AOL virus notice that was sent to
these lists earlier.  It was definitely a *HOAX*.  Mail on the
alledged AOL virus should not be passed on, and if you receive it, you
might want to send the sender the information below.

Shannon

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 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Welcome to the fourth issue of CIAC Notes!  This is a special edition to
clear up recent reports of a "good times" virus-hoax.  Let us know if you
have topics you would like addressed or have feedback on what is useful and
what is not.  Please contact the editor, Allan L. Van Lehn, CIAC,
510-422-8193 or send E-mail to ciac@llnl.gov.

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THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND

In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests
about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply
by reading a message.  The following is the message that CIAC received:

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes.    |
|                                                                           |
|  Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on   |
| America Online being sent by E-Mail.  If you get anything called "Good    |
| Times", DON'T read it or download it.  It is a virus that will erase your |
| hard drive.  Forward this to all your friends.  It may help them a lot.   |
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

THIS IS A HOAX.  Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message
originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university
at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax.

CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any
electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your
computer.

This rumor has been spreading very widely.  This spread is due mainly to the
fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header.
They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have
saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false
sense of credibility to the alert message.

There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with
"xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body.  Then, (in a panic, because
he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he
checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine.
 He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the
virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail
message).  This person then spread his alert.

As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through
reading a mail message.  For a virus to spread some program must be executed.
Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message.  Yes, Trojans have
been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious
being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm
(reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12).
 But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert.

If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply
ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor.

Karyn Pichnarczyk
CIAC Team
ciac@llnl.gov


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Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: And Also the Trees


>I hear good things about this band, like "Springhouse meets a more gothic
>Chameleons", but I have no idea what to pick up first. They have something
>like 8 albums, all of which are expensive imports. Can anyone offer some
>recommendations.

As as been said before on this list, this is probably one of the most
underated bands ever as well as probably the most 'thislisty'.
Trying to pick the best album would be very difficult and asking a
group of AATT supporters to pick their favourite album would give you
as many different answers as asking Cranes fans to give you their
favourite Cranes album.  I have also found that depending on my mood
I would pick up a different AATT album to listen to.  So all the
opinions that follow are all IMO.  I don't know if he is on this
list, but their is someone using the pseudonym 'Order and Method'.  He
has the complete discography including 12"'s which I never knew
existed.  If you put a request on alt.gothic (which I know he posts
to) you may get opinions on AATT that would be better to go by.
(1) Evening of the 24th (live at the Vita Laussane 24th Oct 1980)
The first album I heard and got me hooked for ever.  Extremely good
live album  building up to a spectacular climax in 'So this is
Silence'.  Unlike live albums put out by other bands this one is very
well done.  The other song that stands out is 'Slow Pulse Boy';
according to my friends who saw them live this is their best live
number making you hair stand on end, your skin crawling and your
brain synapses fused.
(2) Virus Meadow: Contains some of the songs off the live album eg
Slow Pulse By I think
(3) AATT-self titled album: has the other songs off 'the evening of
the 24th' eg So this is Silence.  Although this album and Virus
Meadow are good, I prefer the live album above these two.
(4) Millpond Years:  Great contrasts between the songs that really
work well eg 'Count Jeffrey', a torturous and disturbing song (in a
good way) followed by 'Shaletown' a flowing much gentler song.  It is
amazing how they pull this off.
(5) Farewell to the Shade:  Very similar to the Millpond Years in
that you have these narrative songs (not in the Nick Cave tradition
mind you).  Usually this album is my favourite, or is it the Millpond
Years or the live one?  I think I like them all equally.
(6) Retrospective:  A compilation of all their "hits".  Usually this
would be a good album to buy, but it is not one of my favourite.  The
reason for this is that with all the AATT albums the songs fit in so
perfectly with each other so as to form a beautiful tapestry that by
making a compilation album somehow destroys this unity.  Nevertheless
it is still a good album-a very good reflection of their early work.
(7) Green is the Sea: To me this is an album by a band who have
matured.  No "heavy numbers" and a very easy going, flowing album
with no rough edges.  Right up their best work.  btw AATT are a very
arty bunch as you will pick up from their lyrics.  The sculpture on
the album cover was done by one of the band members.
(8) The Klaxon: I have not yet heard this album, but from what I
hear, it is their best.
I think that their is also another compilation album around.
I hope this all helps, somehow I think I may have added to the
confusion.  However, they are a very good band and you shouldn't go
wrong with any of their albums.

    Neil

PS Apologies for going of like this, could not help myself.

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 03:06:43 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Germano/IPR

              94 07:33:58 pm

> How does Lisa Germano's first album compare to
> "Happiness" and "Geek The Girl"?

It's a lot different - more straightforward country-tinged rock without the
hazy atmosphere of the 4ad albums. Not -bad- in itself, but certainly
different. There's only one song that really precurses the later stuff, a
haunting song called "Riding My Bike" where she half-whispers about a man who
drives up to her and tells her that "you sure look pretty riding your bike,
little girl"

> Half String - Tripped Up Breathing
> This is everything that the Oval 7" wasn't. More intensity,
> better production. Reminds me of Pale Saints' "In Ribbons".

I was kind of diappointed by this actually. I liked the 2nd 7" a lot
better. The addition of a live drummer just made them sound a lot more like
generic shoegazers instead of the more human warmth of the single. Then again,
if you like that sort of thing.. you'd like that sort of thing.

> Tone, a guitar ensemble - Build
> I think there are usually half a dozen or so guitarists playing
> at once, and the results are wonderful. Some of it sounds jangly and
> Robinson-ish, but it's usually very punchy.

Do you know who else is in the band besides Phil Krauth? It does sound a lot
more Unrest-y than I would have expected - not as symphonic. I'd be curious to
see them live since the effect seems somewhat muted by the translation to cd.


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:24:36 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: thanks and suddenly tammy! question


hi..everythin'gs sorted and i'm on the list.

i never got any answers from the question i pos4ed earlier (or at least
didn't see them) and i'm still wondering...
what are suddenly tammy! up to?

thanks to those who helped me get back here. :)
mike


    :::mikebee@freenet.fsu.edu:::        --everybody's kung fu fighting--
    ///////Kicks more flava than Mister Rogers' got neighbors////////


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:20:33 -0500
From: Hk Kahng (FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Moonshake, man!


Right off da top of my head...






  First EP  (Creation)

The band caught a lot of shit for the First EP supposedly sounding too much

like My Bloody Valentine.  If I remember correctly it did come out right around

the time of _Glider_ and _Tremolo_, and even though it did have the

characteristic swirling guitar textures and such, the songs and arrangements

were much more reminiscent of bands like Can.  If anyone can find me a copy of

this disc, I'll be forever grateful (all I've got right now is an old, old, old

tape).



  Secondhand Clothes EP  (TooPure) included in the Matador version of Eva Luna

  Eva Luna LP  (TooPure/Matador)

  Beautiful Pigeon EP  (TooPure)

This next batch of releases run pretty much together.  An amazing balance of

noisy guitars, samples and soundbites, and the tightest rhythm section in all

of rawk'n'role.  Classic oblque art-rock in the true TooPure tradition.  I

think Eva Luna easily made it into most self-respecting rock critic's year-

end top ten lists, although I think Adorable sold more records Stateside...

Admittedly Dave Callahan's vocals are the fabled missing link between Mark E.

Smith and John Lydon via a rheumatic goat, but _I_ like it, dammit.  And as

much as Margaret Fiedler possesses a "nicer" voice than Callahan, she does

sound pretty damn anemic on this album.  Okay, so vocals aren't Moonshake's

forte, but they do work in context....



  Big Good Angel Mini-LP  (TooPure/Matador)

Six songs, half penned by Fiedler, the other half by Callahan.  I played this

for a friend of mine who responded by asking me "Is this techno?"  A curveball

departure from the relative linearity of Eva Luna.  Took me a while to get into

this, but I like it.  All of it.  Matawhore released this sucker Stateside

almost a good year after its initial release in the UK.  I think it also sold

as many copies as the new album by Superstar.



  The Sound Your Eyes Can Follow LP  (TooPure)

Maggie Fiedler gets the boot, and she takes John the Bass God with her.  So

scratchy-voiced Callahan, left with drummer Mig, goes on to put together an

album consisting mostly of sampled loops, lots of horns, and his trademark

voice.  About as accessible as your average brick wall, but it's damned

impressive nonetheless.  Definitely lacks the repeat-play quotient of Eva

Luna or all the Laika releases, but just on "artistic merits" this album

racks up enough points to redeem for a small Honda at your local swap meet.








  Antenna EP  (TooPure)

The logical extension of all the songs that Ms. Fielder is responsible for on

Big Good Angel.  Much less song-oriented than texture-centered, but it does

make an excellent soundtrack for late-nite net surfing.  A lot more readily

accessible than the latest Moonshake, although the balance between pop-ness

and art-wank stands an even 55-45.  The lackadaisical anemia actually works

in this context.  And the packaging is the second snazziest of the year.



  Silver Apples of the Moon LP  (TooPure)

Simply the best dressed album of this year, boyee.  The two best songs on the

disc - "Marimba Song" and "44 Robbers" were previously released on an earlier

EP and a TooPure comp, and the rest of the album makes for wobbly and

shimmering aural wallpaper.  Nice to look at, but don't stare at it too hard;

you'll go cross-eyed.  More accessible than the latest Moonshake offering,

but not by much.



And when it boils right down to it, I'd much rather be listening to Eva Luna.

But that's just me.  :)



$0.02, or whatever the local exchange rates will git ya.



Cheers,





hk



"I looked into her eyes, and suddenly I started to cry..." - Aberdeen

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:38:04 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fur and Leather


WATTS WROTE:

>at the risk of sounding like i wanna start a flame war or a rope (i
>mean thread)
>
>killing is killing no matter what the fuck it is for (fashion or food)
>
>someone once said that if animals beleived in god, manking would be
>the devil....makes a lot of fucking sense.
>
>...and what the hell has this to do with 4AD one may ask ...????
>
>oh well back to the tofu
>
>cheers gang
>watts
>
>PS : I wonder how many vegans are on this list....anyo
WATTS,
I AM VEGAN!!

CHEERS,

ALFRED DOUGLAS.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

" AND THIS REALM IS YOURS AND MINE, WRAPPED AROUND YOUR WRISTS STRAPPED INSIDE
  YOUR MIND. YOU MOVE FROM SIDE TO SIDE, I WATCH WITH LIFELESS EYES, I WATCH
  YOU FOREVER, I WATCH YOU AS YOU DIE."
                                            -LESTAT-(THE BAND)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:46:56 EST
From: Felicia Pickering (MNHAN063@SIVM.SI.EDU)
Subject: Virus Hoax


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  >>>|  this service, dial 1-800-759-7243.  The PIN numbers are: 8550070 (for
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  >>>|  the CIAC duty person) and 8550074 (for the CIAC manager).  Please keep
|
  >>>|  these numbers handy.
|
  >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >>>
  >>>Welcome to the fourth issue of CIAC Notes!  This is a special edition to
  >>>clear up recent reports of a "good times" virus-hoax.  Let us know if you
  >>>have topics you would like addressed or have feedback on what is useful
and
  >>>what is not.  Please contact the editor, Allan L. Van Lehn, CIAC,
  >>>510-422-8193 or send E-mail to ciac@llnl.gov.
  >>>
  >>>  $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$
  >>>  $ Reference to any specific commercial product does not necessarily   $
  >>>  $ constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or favoring by  $
  >>>  $ CIAC, the University of California, or the United States Government.$
  >>>  $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$
  >>>
  >>>THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND
  >>>
  >>>In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information
requests
  >>>about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine,
 simply
  >>>by reading a message.  The following is the message that CIAC received:
  >>>
  >>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 -
  >>>| Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes.
 |
  >>>|
 |
  >>>|  Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on
 |
  >>>| America Online being sent by E-Mail.  If you get anything called "Good
 |
  >>>| Times", DON'T read it or download it.  It is a virus that will erase
your
 |
  >>>| hard drive.  Forward this to all your friends.  It may help them a lot.
 |
  >>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 -
  >>>
  >>>THIS IS A HOAX.  Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message
  >>>originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a
university
  >>>at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax.
  >>>
  >>>CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any
  >>>electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your
  >>>computer.
  >>>
  >>>This rumor has been spreading very widely.  This spread is due mainly to
th
 e
  >>>fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header.
  >>>They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have
  >>>saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a
false
  >>>sense of credibility to the alert message.
  >>>
  >>>There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with
  >>>"xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body.  Then, (in a panic,
 because
  >>>he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he
  >>>checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his
 machine.
  >>> He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him
the
  >>>virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail
  >>>message).  This person then spread his alert.
  >>>
  >>>As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely
through
  >>>reading a mail message.  For a virus to spread some program must be
 executed.
  >>>Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message.  Yes, Trojans
hav
 e
  >>>been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious
  >>>being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm
  >>>(reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin
 B-12).
  >>> But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert.
  >>>
  >>>If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists,
simpl
 y
  >>>ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor.
  >>>
  >>>Karyn Pichnarczyk
  >>>CIAC Team
  >>>ciac@llnl.gov
  >>>- ------------------------------
  >>>This document was prepared as an account of work sponsored by an agency of
  >>>the United States Government.  Neither the United States Government nor
the
  >>>University of California nor any of their employees, makes any warranty,
  >>>express or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for
th
 e
  >>>accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, apparatus,
 product,
  >>>or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe
 privately
  >>>owned rights.  Reference herein to any specific commercial products,
 process,
  >>>or service by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, or otherwise, does not
  >>>necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or
favoring
  >>>by the United States Government or the University of California.  The
views
  >>>and opinions of authors expressed herein do not necessarily state or
reflec
 t
  >>>those of the United States Government or the University of California, and
  >>>shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
  >>>
  >>>- ------------------------------
  >>>End of CIAC Notes Number 94-04  94_12_06
  >>>****************************************


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:48:00 PST
From: Timothy Edwards (ECZ5TAE@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm


For that matter, we've discussed Michael Bolton a few times.
; ) (Oh sure, there is a smiley winkey, but we DID discuss him... sort of...)
                                                                         --t
P.S. einexile, is ambient thislisty?
------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> > Pardon me, but what are Fileds of the Nephilim doing on a 4ad-list? They
> > are at Situation Two/Beggars Banquet aren't they?
>
> Where have you been?? We all hate 4AD now. :) Really, you may have seen
> one or more of these other artists discussed: Stereolab, Moonshake,

> least I hope so). Kind of what happens when we run out of 4AD releases to
> buy and talk about and venture out into the terrifyin world of
>
> Hey, anyone want to start up that ol' thislisty thread again? The season
> is upon us. ;)
>
> e


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:29:36 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: XYMOX videos? ? ? ?


to what songs does XYMOX (or Clan of) have videos for?
I know Obsession, and Muscoviet Mosquito...
never seen Phoenix..

and does anybody out there have them?

-Eddie

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:42:06 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pram and Laika


In message Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:11:32 -0500,
  Brave little indian BisonBoy charged Fort yOCHIM, Screaming:

> What's wrong with "Sound Your Eyes Can Follow"!!!!!
>

"whats wrong"?  Yikes!  I _Know_ that yr a really really really big fan of
TooPure and its records, but Moonshakes latest release just falls short of
expectations for a band of that magnitude.  Songs like "Joker John" just
don't sound right to me... almost silly.  Everything Prior to SYECF has hit
me with such incredible force, though.

IF you like it, great!  I'm sure yr not alone.  But for me, Moonshake
always meant great percussion, Jah-Wobble-ly bass, Marge singing, and
creative guitar. Now the album is guitar free, PJ Harvey sings (it sounds
terrible), the bass doesn't sound the same, and the percussion is played
down.  Moonshake was one of the onlys band that needed all 4 original
members to make it work properly.

> Have to disagree, the entire Moonshake discography is worth the price.

Everything prior to the last album is worth its weight in gold.  The sound
your eyes can follow is worth its weight in Cubit Zirconium, as far as I'm
concerned...

               -jOHN

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:54:02 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


In message Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:50:29 +0100,
  Cord Walter   writes:

>
>> > Not me.  I'll keep eating the sugar right out of the bag.
>>    > And as far as sex appeal goes, I still want Miki just as much as I
>> always  > have...  26-27 isn't "old".
>>   >
>>   >             -jOHN is fearing K*J's evil flame (hehehe)
>>   >
>>   hey john,
>>            yup, same here.  lush is my favorite band and i can't get
>> enough  of miki...her and her music.
>>
>
>
>> -pete
>>
>
> Isn't it strange?
> You know exactly, how silly it is to get so excited about your
> favourite 'Pop Star', but still ... (sigh) ... You can't help it.
>
> -cord
>

I think it's the red hair, coupled w/ her cute little face... YIKES!!
I got to hug her once... she was so nice... and short.
         -jOHN


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:14:31 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: <<<<


In message Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:23:35 -0500,
  "James P. Crimm"   writes:

> One is loveliescrushing (I am suer of the lower case part and it is
> close to this ) and Ultracindy. The second name seems like there are
> 2 Cindy bands around and this may not be the right one.

LOVESLIES are noisy noise.  I dare to say ambient noise-overload.

I think yr thinking of CINDYTAlK when you mention two Cindy bands.

> I find it incredably snotty that there are those who think that
> a fan of mainstream music shouldn't buy music by *their* favotite
> bands. Since most of you probably were fans of Sesame Street songs at
> one point and your taste improved,

Hey Now!!  I still watch that show, and sing the songs with my 4 year old
sister... good quality stuff.  Better than most, actually.  Does anyone else
remember the thread we had going last year about Emmet Otter's Jugband, The
Animal and the rest of the band on the Muppets, and Jose and the Pussycats?

> I would think you would be sympa-
> thetic.

well, people suck.  Cripes, I suck.

> I saw a girl the other day buying Pale Saints along with Red
> Hot Chiles. I complimented her taste on the Slow Buildings purchase
> and she had heard a song on the collage radio station. It is a lot
> easier to be exposed to RHCPs, obviously.

I agree with you.  This type of music isn't for everyone, and there really
is only one way to find out.  But I think a lot of people get frustrated
because they're worried about it all "breaking through" and ruining the "we
have our own little secret thing" feel that it gives you... er, gave you.

> I appreciate all the digression on the list, personally. Ever read
> a list where all they do is moon about their favorite artist or album.?
> Sort of a mutual admiration sociayty. "We're so cool because we listen to
> such-and-such".

Sounds like the BLUR list and the MBV list.  There really isn't anything
like the good old 4AD-L.  I like those lists, but they just lack the
diversity and input you get on this list.  Kinda like 4AD is one big
dysfunctional family... someone tries to talk about the topis (4AD) and
someone eles comes along and takes it off on a tangent, and then Mom and Pop
smack the kids around for their lack of 4AD content... repeat over and over.

            -jOHN sending everyone on this list presents to celebrate the
                  new year


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:25:00 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Wanna Be 4AD


First of all, this list needs intensive therapy... badly!  For people
who are supposedly into dreamy, ethereal, intellectual music, we
seem to have a LOT of pent up emotions and frustrations.  The slightest
little provocation and BOOM... ranting and raving about fascist
video stores, and only idiots compare lush and pearl jam, and all
killing is killing whether it's for food OR fashion.

Anybody know how to administer Valium via email?  :-)

Anyway, the reason for this post is that I recently made a
tape for a friend who is into "old" 4AD (Cocteaus, DCD,
TMC, etc.), but who has been out of touch musically
lately.  I dug through my collection to come up with stuff
she hasn't heard, but should dig given her tastes.  Since
many of you share her tastes, I thought you might dig it

Kathleen Hanna + "I wish I was Him"

     - My absolute favorite song at the moment.  From the _Rock
       Stars Kill_ comp, this very low-fi demo from the lead
       singer/song-writer of Bikini Kill, is the closest thing
       I've heard to a catchy, MyAimIsTrue-era Costello song in
       a long time.  Catchy, simple, funny, and sincere.
Clarity + "Saltero"
Moon Seven Times + "Michelle"
tel basta + "I melt with you"
     - Three "wanna be 4AD" bands doing 4AD covers from the
       _Thurtene_ comp.
St.Etienne + "Your Head My Voice" (Aphex Twin mix)
    - Cool vocal samples in a completely unrecognizable techno remix
Lisa Germano + "Geek the Girl"
Red House Painters + "San Geronimo"
    - *real* 4AD acts.  My two faves from the _AVAM_ comp
Bach (Glenn Gould) + "Invention No. 13"
    - just to mix things up.  From the best film of '94 (_32 Short
      Films about Glenn Gould_)
Lush + "The Invisible Man"
    - My favorite, recent Lush track
Alison's Halo + "Chalkboard James"
    - From the _Project X_ comp.  When is that damn album coming
      out?  Beautiful mixture of MBVish instrumentation and fem vocals.
Slowdive + "Losing Today"
    - another "wanna be 4AD"
Partly Cloudy + "Jihad"
    - from the _Viva Los Angeles II_ comp.  Moody synth-pop,atmospheric
      instrumental.  Sounds like a Chris Carter electronic sound-scape.
Bikini Kill + "Jigsaw Youth"
    - "The most important band in America today."  Fuck 'Gen X'. Fuck
      'The Blank Generation'.  *My* generation is 'Jigsaw youth'!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-
This Mortal Coil + "You and Your Sister"
    - My previous "favorite song at the moment"
Arvo Part + "Manificat"
    - "Holy Classical" from my favorite contemporary classical composer.
Bikini Kill + "Feels Blind"
    - Worth it for the line: "As a woman I was taught to always be hungry/
      Yeah, women are well-acquainted with thirst."
Stereolab + "French Disko"
    - Catchy, great vocals, love those mooooooogs!
Lush + "Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep"
    - From the _Alvin Lives in Leeds_ Comp.  My fave Lush track of all

      time.
Autoclave + "Dr. Seuss?"
    - I had to use this one.  My friend works daily on an autoclave! :)
Tuscadero + "Nancy Drew"
    - Cute, DIY, chick-rock
Serge Chaloff + "The Fable of Mabel"
    - Another mix'em-up.  1940s jazz.
Human Head Transplant + "Sothis"
    - An unknown band that I love.  This track could be mistaken for
      a long lost DCD instrumental.
Pink Industry + "State of Grace"
    - A great, unknown band from the early 80s English goth/industrial

      scene.  Excellent mixture of cello and low, sultry fem vocals.
Nurse with Wound + "Scissor Rock Bicyce Revelation"
    - Every compilation tape needs a little insanity.
Tori Amos + "Thoughts"
    - Because there wasn't *quite* enough room for "Me & a Gun"

OK, so this was a bit self-indulgent, I admit.  But it's more
music-related than most of the stuff that's been posted lately!

What are YOU folks putting on your X-mas pressie compilation
tapes?

Reality

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:28:06 +0000
From: Huite Rietveld (cheiron@NETLAND.NL)
Subject: 4AD/PIAS News


**** ATTENTION ****

This is the first PIAS Newsletter. This contains non 4AD-related information
and will therefore been discontinued from automatically distribution by this
list.
One can subscribe (see below).



PLAY IT AGAIN SAM                         RELEASEINFORMATION 001, DECEMBER 1994
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Album released since last edition:

SABRES OF PARADISE      Haunted Dancehall               (Warp)
SOURCE EXPERIENCE       Different journeys              (R and S)
MINDSCAPE               Mindscape                       (Prime)
GOD AND TEXAS           Double shot                     (Restless)
MOTOCASTER              Stay Loaded                     (Beggars)
SHADY                   World                           (Beggars)
SMALL 23                Chin Music                      (Alias)
BOLTTHROWER             ... For Victory                 (Earache)
PITCHSHIFTER            Vs Biohazard/Therapy?           (Earache)
V/A                     FANTAZIA takes into the JUNGLE  (Fantazia)
WIM MERTENS             Gave van niets                  (Crepuscule)
WIM MERTENS             Reculer pour mieux              (Crepuscule)
MATT KEATING            Scaryarea                       (Alias)
V/A                     Emit 3394                       (Emit)
TORTOISE                Tortoise                        (Cityslang)
BRUTAL TRUTH            Need to control                 (Earache)
CHRISTIAN VOGEL         Beginning to understand         (MP)
MARDEN HILL             Blown away                      (On Delancey str)
RON C                   The C theory                    (Profile)
ALCOVE                  Universal implication           (Barramundi)
V/A                     Mix this pussy                  (Tribal UK)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Singles released since last edition:

SEBADOH                 Carefull                        (Cityslang)
PROPHETS OF DA CITY     Never again                     (Nation)
BLUE AEROPLANES         Detective songs                 (Beggars)
ARMANDO                 The Darkside EP                 (Radikal Fear)
GWEN McCRAE             Keep the fire burning           (Clubvision)
LOOPGURU                Shrinic visions                 (Nation)
LFO                     Tied Up                         (Warp)
SEQUENCIAL              Sea shells                      (PIAS)
HAPPY LARRY             Got the music                   (Deep Distraxion)
EF.3.A                  Tricks and smirks EP            (Superstition)
NUAGES                  Blanc                           (F Comm)
AURORA BOREALIS         Raz/Pillow lav                  (F Comm)
IT'S THINKING           Hyperion                        (Prime)
EUROPE                  Europe transporter              (Superstition)
KENNY LARKIN            Catalonic                       (R and S)
EQ-LAZER                Take U higher                   (Back Bone)
VELOCITY                Uplift/Idation                  (Superstition Sp)
D*NOTE                  Iniquity worker                 (Dorado)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Forthcoming albums:

V/A                     Nieuw NL Peil                   (PIAS)          19/12
THROWING MUSES          University                      (4AD)           16/01
BLACKDOG                Spanners                        (Warp)          16/01
BETTIE SERVEERT         Lampray                         (Brinkman)      23/01
THE WOLFGANG PRESS      Funky Little Demons             (4AD)           23/01
BELLY                   King                            (4AD)           13/02
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Forthcoming singles:

THROWING MUSES          Bright yellow gun               (4AD)           12/12
BETTIE SERVEERT         Crutches                        (Brinkman)      02/01
THE WOLFGANG PRESS      Going south                     (4AD)           09/01
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is the first edition of the PIAS monthly Releaseinformation. It succeeds
the 4AD Newsletter, which is deleted from now.
One can subscribe to this free service by sending a E-Mail with in the
subjectline the magical word:

SUBSCRIBE

to the subjoined address.
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cheiron@netland.nl

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:47:44 -0800
From: scarab or serephim (scarab@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: meanderings on this list / a love-hate story....

              processor" at Dec 7, 94 00:02:05 am

Ya know, I subscibed to this list a few months ago as a huge 4ad fan in
general and It was a little annoying to see all of the off-point
ramblings going on, but as time went on, it became apparent that this
list is much more than a flaming ground.  I have seen deep dark secrets
of my Goth past brought up in reference to many of the bands here and it
has changed my opinion massively.
I LOVE THIS LIST!  All of the retorts and the bickering make you
think.... Make you see new sides to this type of music and how many
different musical backgrounds we all come from.  I wouldn't dream of
bitching at any of you for going off subject, because I can see how my
opinions have been influenced by all of you.
Blockbuster sucks, really they do.... I worked for the Wherehouse for
about 3 years and I totally understand the Corporate mentality ebbing
into the music world.  It was so sad to see the record section disappear
in less than a year, to see a fucking dress code pop up out of nowhere
and to see that nobody cared if I ordered good music for the store
anymore, all that was important was the hits... if it didn't sell more
than 3 copies in one month, it was never carried again..., etc.
Regardless of your opinions on capitalism, you have to see that
corporations are evil and have no place in the music industry.  Music has
never been about large profit.  Profit, yes, but not large profit.  If
our world turns into the place the corporate music owners want it to be,
we will see that thislisty music will be harder to find as nobody will
want to sell it if it only brings in 3 customers a month instead of 200
for, say, Aerosmith.  Look at our past year carefully, and look where
music is going.  This has been the year of recycling of old ideas, for no
other reason but profit.  Eagles reunion, Led zepplin on MTV, aerosmith
and the stones taking first seat on all award shows...
The music we love is in danger at the hands of coprorate rock.  It always
has been, but it IS getting worse.  Buy independent whenever you can, big
chain stores will never carry what we want and once the agressive
lawyer-infested music corporations buy out all of the local record stores
in the area, where will you go then?
Examples abound.  Wherehouse used to be extremely agressive. They still
are, but not as bad as they used to be.  They would set up store as close
to every independent or independently-ordering-capable store they could,
carrying the same titles at below cost for one reason ONLY.  To get
business from the other store.  So you go there and get waht you want for
a lot less.  Once the competition is gone, they stop dealing with
independent distributors and jack up the prices.  It's called a monopoly.
Stop the bitching about better price.  It means nothing in the long run.
Blockbuster has the same idea, except they are better at it than the
Wherehouse ever was.  Support what you love, they don't care.  They want
your money.  Don't think for a second that they would carry what we like
if some independent down the street wasn't carrying it.

Sorry about the rambling....
Can somebody help me with info on developing a signature line?  My editor
sucks.... are there any good books out there on E-mail that I might be
interested in?  I want to be able to select clips of text and load them
into my machine quickly and easily....

And next time you decide to bitch about this list going off-subject, try
being part of a list where flaming is a NO-NO.  Presumptuous, but true.
The sundays list is like this, and it isn't half as entertaining or
informative as this one is.  Broad Spectrum+More information.

More than pennies for my dreams
Make me bleed to make them true

-Patrick


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:46:17 -0800
From: Bradford Chamberlain (brad@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Query: Intergalactic Garage (plus: the Breeders bootleg!)


Shortly after joining the 4AD list, I got on the Intergalactic Garage
mailing list, because they had some cool 4AD items at the time, and it
seemed like a good list to be on.  Since then I've decided that it's
mostly worthless, as I'm not a big Tori Amos, Kate Bush, or Abba fan, and
since any orders I send to them seem to be ignored.  So I decided to
unsubscribe (about 7 times, in various fashions), but all of these
requests have been ignored as well.

Does anyone know how I can get off of this thing?!?!?!

Please send responses to me, and I'm sorry to burden the list with this.

Oh!  To keep this somewhat on topic, a shop down the street from my
house is selling that Breeders bootleg which people have mentioned
("Don't need no fat man" or something).  I'd be happy to pick it up and
mail it to anyone interested.  Sadly, it's $31.99.  (Seattle is no place
to buy bootlegs).

Thanks,
-Brad


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:29:05 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: The yearly poll


It's about time for the annual poll, isn't it?
-shill

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Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:22:03 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: now i wanna be your dog..uh...4ad


> First of all, this list needs intensive therapy... badly!  For people
> who are supposedly into dreamy, ethereal, intellectual music, we
> seem to have a LOT of pent up emotions and frustrations.

  so we're supposed to be really mellow because we like mellow music?
  that's not normal...

  {songs deleted}

  what!? no hnia? blasphemy!!!!
  :evil eye:

> What are YOU folks putting on your X-mas pressie compilation
> tapes?

  i don't give tapes as presents. i can't afford blank tapes and
  postage, so everyone has to suffer with my season's greetings
  and that's it. besides, everyone *i* know has way more music
  than i ever will...they should be making me tapes, and not
  the other way around. :) however, i do have a xmas soundtrack...
  stuff i usually play around this time of year, and it goes
  a li'l something like this: treasure, hnia home tapes, the
  serpent's egg, so tonight that i might see, 'musica eternal',
  'flowers of the sea', gorecki's third symphony...

  season's greetings and ho ho ho, *k-j*


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:34:27 EST
From: Dyana Morgan (Dyana_Morgan@HABITAT.ORG)
Subject: Other music lists


Now that I've been given permission to go a bit off subject by Patrick, I'd like
to semi-politely ask if anyone can tell me how to get access to some sort of
list that would contain the addresses of a variety of artist-specific lists,
e.g. a list only for the Sundays or for the Cocteau Twins, or even -  dare I
admit it??? - a list for non-4AD artists like Toad the Wet Sprocket or the
Grateful Dead .

Signed,
A Californian wanting to round out my musical knowledge while doing time in
South Georgia

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:01:26 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: ...the end is near...


  and with the conclusion of another year, comes the year end list of
  good & bad musical purchases & experiences...

  ...twee is the music that touches the ear...  * the good *

  01. laika - silver apples of the moon.
      spacey cooing and percussion from my favourite female in music...
  02. nine inch nails - the downward spiral.
      say what you will about trent, but i think he's great. look past
      the somewhat mediocre lyrics and just let this seep into your
      soul. by the time i get to the end, i'm exhausted & drained...
  03. various - of these reminders.
      projekt is, by far, my favourite label. virtually all the groups
      on the label are a treasure. with that said, this is a delightful
      collection of various groups {not necessarily projekt's} performing
      black tape for a blue girl songs. i have the very spiff box set,
      which is lovely....just the right size...sturdy...all the things a
      box set should be. :)
  04. grenadine - the christiansen ep.
      grenadine are everything kool in indie cocktail music. the only
      group that mark robinson truly shines in {ie., his attitude isn't
      seeping through all the time}...this is a groovie defeverized
      3-song slab o'vinyl and worth every cent. i'm sure the cd is
      just as good...i just got it in the mail after the delay of a
      lifetime. i think my friend james is the one who filled my
      order, though..looks like his writing on the package... :ramble:
  05. stereolab - mars audiac quintet.
      another recording i've heard but do not actually own {laika being
      in the same category}, i happily danced to this during AVAM show
      numba 3 and i can't help getting all giddy with glee when i hear
      'ping pong'...
  06. love spirals downwards - ardor.
      i only heard this once, but it's beautiful. buy it and love it and
      sleep with it under your pillow so you know it's safe at night...
      i would.
  07. v23 - this rimy river exhibit book.
      the holy trinity's artwork, bookbound and lovely. indulge and
      pick one up and don't slobber on the hnia pages...

  ...the sliced coconut, a trademark of quality... * the so-so *

  01. various - all virgos are mad.
      really, this only gets the so-so spot because of hnia & lisa
      germano. i'm not at all pleased with the selection of music or
      the artwork...ugly is not attractive this time around. i can dig
      on dcd, rhp, twp, and even air miami...but the rest is really
      dull or stupid or whatever else. just blah.
  02. dcd - towards the within.
      sometimes i love this, and sometimes i don't. with all of the
      self-indulgence of 'cantara', it's still a powerful version..
      though i think the highlights of this release are brendan's
      songs. he's a wealth of talent and ability and i don't think
      he gets half the respect he deserves.

  ...expired product...throw out at once...  * the icky *

  01. veruca salt.
      i smell a rat. a big indie rat. something's not right with this
      group..i can't put my twee fingers on it, but it's more than just
      questionable musical influences.
  02. rem.
      mikey stipey bugs me, and this is just my petty dislike for him
      that puts rem in this category.
  03. various - all virgos are mad video.
      another cheap sellout of a compilation for us american folk.
      the excuse for the videos and packaging is that all of this
      *was* marketed for the US and that they basically figured
      people who bought the 13yi stuff wouldn't clamor for the AVAM
      goodies. yeah....right. overpriced, some of poor quality...
      this just plain s*cks.

  ...variety is the spice that makes eggnog drinkable... * misc. *

  01. karin oliver's doc martins @ AVAM.
      *WHAT* was she thinking?
  02. hnia's wardrobe during the entire week of AVAM.
      so...4ad can't spring for a laundry service? do they not pay
      enough so that warren can buy real shoes? what about ian masters?
      he needs pants! and a nutritionist. po wiwl ian..
  03. AVAM.
      all told, i was disappointed. only got to meet lord purge out
      of all the listies {sorry brant, i met you before..so you don't
      count}. then again, i'm not much of a social twee so i would
      have avoided you folk like the plague anyway. :) at least i was
      graced with defever's presence over 3 1/2 days of avaming. :swoon:
      laugh if you will, but i think he's da grooviest...

  that's it. it's been a rather lowkey year for me & music.
  this list is only representative of things i own or have heard
  in their entirety..so no matter how good or bad the lisa germano
  album is, i can't comment on it and put it up on my list. that's
  for you other listfolk to do. :) la la la la la..i'm throwing
  grenadine on now...


  * k-j *


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 20:30:07 -0500
From: Matthew D Horine (horinema@STUDENT.MSU.EDU)
Subject: Honey Tongue/Grenadine/Pram


Hey all-

I was looking through the local record store's sale bin yesterday, and I bought
_Nude Nudes_ by Honey Tongue.  The group is Josephine Wiggs and Jon Mattock.
Can someone give me the background info on this?  (Is this a one-off, etc)...
Was Josephine in any other bands before the Breeders?

Also picked up the new Grenadine, and it is as wonderful as I hoped.  The songs
are more well formed than on Goya, and the combination of Mark Robinson and
Jenny Toomey really seems to click (and don't forget about Rob...)  You can
really here the "Defeverization" on two of the songs, and I still haven't
decided if that's a good thing or not.  "This Girl's in Love With You" is a
little more interesting now that Warren played with the vocals, but I think I
prefer the version on the Teenbeat sampler.

I want to add my vote that the _Meshes ep_ is the best thing Pram has done.
I'm not sure why I like it best, though (more bass, maybe?).

Finally, I'm looking for info on what the Dog Faced Hermans have put out and
where can find it.  I got _Those Deep Buds_ recently and it hasn't gone a day
without being played...  I'm hooked.

back to philosophy,
matt h
(horinema@studenth.msu.edu)
michigan state university


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 21:22:52 -0500
From: Matthew D Horine (horinema@STUDENT.MSU.EDU)
Subject: simple machines hoopla


I got this from another list, and thought I should pass it on.  The connection
to 4ad, for those of you concerned, is that Mark Robinson from Unrest/Air Miami
is in Grenadine.  I haven't seen them perform live before, so I'm looking
forward to it.  I will probably be at all of the DC shows.  If anyone is going
to be there, let me know.

matt h
(horinema@studenth.msu.edu)
michigan state university


> To celebrate their 50th release, Simple Machines will be hosting 5 nights of
> music in three cities just before the holidays.
>  Schedule looks like this:
>
> Sun 12/18: Ruby Falls, June of '44 (new band with Jeff from Rodan, Doug of
> Codiene, Fred of Hoover, and a guy named Sean), and Secret Stars @ Black Cat
> in DC
>
> Mon 12/19: Grenadine, Flower, The Raymond Brake, See Saw @ Black Cat
>
> Tues 12/20: Scrawl, Danielle Howle, Ida @ Black Cat
>
> Wed 12/21: Scrawl, Danielle Howle, Ida @ Knitting Factory, NYC
>
> Thurs 12/22: Grenadine, Danielle Howle, The Raymond Brake @ Khyber Pass,
> Philly  (two shows: 6pm & 10pm)


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:56:14 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wanna Be 4AD/ more song listings (i.e. delete)


        Brian Keeley asked:
>What are YOU folks putting on your X-mas pressie compilation
>tapes?

Tape made for friend who has CT, DCD, HNIA, and Area already:

1)      Women's Choir of the Gori Music School, Georgia o Choral Miniature
/The Blue Heaven
2)      Love Spirals Downward o Illusory Me
3)      Sheila Chandra o Waiting
4)      Loreena McKennitt o The Mystic's Dream
5)      Rosenfole o Rosenfole
6)      Love Is Colder Than Death o Taliesin and Melanghel
7)      Eden o Rain Washed
8)      Hector Zazou o Black Stream
9)      Judgement of Paris o More
10)     The Moon Seven Times o John
11)     Michael Brook o Slow Breakdown (ed.)
12)     Mazzy Star o Into Dust

1)      Loreena McKennitt o Huron 'Beltane' Fire Dance
2)      Mouth Music o I Bhi A Da/Seinn O!
3)      Sinfonye o When I See the Greening (ed.)
4)      Channel Light Vessel o Train Travelling North
5)      Bjork o Aeroplane
6)      Sheila Chandra o Speaking in Tongues III
7)      Kristen Hersh o The Letter
8)      Einsturzende Neubauten o Zebulon
9)      Single Gun Theory o Words Written Backwards
10)     Hector Zazou o I'll Strangle You
11)     Sunwheel o Walk Upon the Grass (ed.)
12)     Stina o Memories of a Color
13)     Big Hat o Blood in the Sun


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