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Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:02:37 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Off the track.
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:57:21 +1100
From: Daniel Wilson (dwilson@ST.NEPEAN.UWS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Pram and Laika
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:11:32 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Pram and Laika
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:12:00 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: a spark of knowledge
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:38:25 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: a spark of knowledge
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:41:55 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Frosty
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:46:53 CST
From: Tom Nguyen (TNGUYEN@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU)
Subject: the nephilim, goth namedropping, indignant posturing,
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:58:31 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:06:56 +0100
From: Andre Van Leeuwen (Andre.van.Leeuwen@CWI.NL)
Subject: Faith and the Muse (Re: LSD, Faith & the Muse, a request,
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:58:29 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:40:51 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: FORWARDED WARNING, BEWARE!
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:00 MEZ
From: Carlos Sequeira (cseque@DONAU.BOKU.AC.AT)
Subject: Virus Alert (fwd)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:12:59 +0800 (WST)
From: Scott A Smith (smith@cleo)
Subject: Peter Ulrich
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:38:30 GMT
From: Richard Jay (r-jay@DIRCON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Warning - e-mail virus (fwd)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:41:33 -0600
From: kendal obermeyer (kobermey@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Fur and Leather
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:39:33 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:17:36 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tower.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Fur and Leather
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Fur and Leather
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:42:42 +0000
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: Beavis=Beatles+Elvis
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:22:59 +0100
From: Patrick Asselman (patrick@STACK.URC.TUE.NL)
Subject: Re: a spark of knowledge
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:22:23 -0600
From: kendal obermeyer (kobermey@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rage with Frank Black
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 02:53:31 +1100
From: Daniel Wilson (dwilson@ST.NEPEAN.UWS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:39:39 +0100
From: Peter Granstrvm (f94-pgr@nada.kth.se)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:52:36 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Breeders bootleg
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:23:00 +0100
From: Patrick Asselman (patrick@STACK.URC.TUE.NL)
Subject: bettie serveert
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:57:42 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:50:29 +0100
From: Cord Walter (xeper@UNIXEN.HRZ.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE)
Subject: And Also the Trees
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:31:59 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:08:46 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: I-NET QUESTION
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:55:25 -0500
From: Neil Impelluso (neil.impelluso@CIRCELLAR.COM)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:47:42 -0800
From: Ernest Lopez (elopez@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: <<<<
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:23:35 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: IN CAMRERA's "13 (Lucky For Some)"
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:42:16 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Re: IN CAMERA "13..."
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:58:29 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: IN CAMRERA's "13 (Lucky For Some)"
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:33:23 -0500
From: "[spiraL]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: <<<<
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:00:08 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: testing, ignore please
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:21:05 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:00:08 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:02:37 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm


>     As I am currently without record player, does anyone know more about
>     this band and what they sound like. I also picked up another album by
>     them without a title, though it looked like it might be a 12' (I
>     haven't open it yet.)
WOW, i recommend that you get a really BIG turntable!
                                                                    -cz

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:57:21 +1100
From: Daniel Wilson (dwilson@ST.NEPEAN.UWS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Off the track.


  I'm only new to this list (a month or so) and generally it's pretty cool.
  But what's all this complaining about non-list music and petty
bitching, you don't have to like commercial music if you don't like too,
I only listen to a small percentage. But how about being a bit more
tolerant of this music, it has a right to exist just like any creative
endeavour and if you don't like it just leave it alone and listen to what
you do like.

  I'll try to get 'on track' now, I joined the list as I like quite a few
of the bands on 4ad(dcd,breeders,fb,....) and would appreciate any advice
on further expanding my musical boundaries, if you could give me an idea
of what the music is like that would help me decide what to buy, the
Australian dollar doesn't go that far these days.
  Thanks for any help in advance.

 -Danny-

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Heya,heya,heyaaa...
    This was my signoff, bye.

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:11:32 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Pram and Laika


What's wrong with "Sound Your Eyes Can Follow"!!!!!

Have to disagree, the entire Moonshake discography is worth the price.

Just feeling particularly opinionated today...


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:12:00 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pram and Laika


I definetly recommend Laika.  Melody Maker described their music as "Avant-
garde" rock (what ever that means).  However, don't let that dismay you.  It
is one of the most unique, creative, and groovy albums I own.  To me Laika is a
dream come true.  Prior to the split, Moonshake was all Margaret.  Now that
the albums are 100% Margaret, I'm in an audio bliss.  As described by others:
funky and incredible bass lines, crazy, intelligent, and complex percussion and
drums, and that voice whispering in yr head.  One of the finds of the century.
Here's a quick discog:
        Eva Luna:1993 released domestically by Matador:early Moonshake, more
                 guitar oriented.  Relatively easy to find in stores.
        Big Good Angel:(1993) import by Too Pure:This is classic Moonshake at
                 its best.  THe Margaret tracks are the best.

        Atenna ep:(1994) Too Pure: Less guitar, more percussion including
                 marimbas.  Definetly quality work
        Silver Apples of the Moon:(1994) Too Pure: Like Atenna, however, lots
                 of different sounds and styles.  Each song in reinvented in a
                 creative way.  A very strong album.

contacts that deal with imports.  I found my copies of Laika at Newbury Comics
on Newbury St @ Boston.

Charles_Kim@brown.edu

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:38:25 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: a spark of knowledge


4AD folks

          last night it came to me so clearly, i could almost touch it.
                "Beatles" plus "Elvis" equals "Beavis"
            wow....Descartes was right after all...
                           ps   Nick Drake is king of them all
                    peace afghanistan at nwnd

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:41:55 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: a spark of knowledge


>
>           last night it came to me so clearly, i could almost touch it.
>                 "Beatles" plus "Elvis" equals "Beavis"


Yes, and Donald Sutherland played Homer Simpson in Day of the Locust.

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:46:53 CST
From: Tom Nguyen (TNGUYEN@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frosty

              2 Dec 1994 22:47:14 -0800 from 

I can't believe that the Cocteau Twins are on a Christmas CD compilation with t
he likes of Beach Boys!!!  It's utterly ridiculous!!  I won't believe it 'til I
 see it!  I just want to make a comment that all this nonsense about Blockbuste
r music has gotten way out of hand!  I think that issue should be laid to rest!
For God's sake, half my mail I checked today is blockbuster blockbuster blockbu
ster!  Now I've got 193 pieces of mail to purge!

                                                -tom

                                      "Smile as we stumble..." -Vini Reilly


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:58:31 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: the nephilim, goth namedropping, indignant posturing,

              and all that juicy stuff you've learned to expect from a truly
              great thread

On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Fun Gus wrote:

> I bought a CD by them on the reccomendation of a friend of mine... I got
> "Laura", which was the only one which the store carried (Blockbuster
> Music, I'm afraid).  He later told me it was their first and worst album.

Actually, it's their first two EPs, compiled. Personally, think it's a
good buy. Lots of variety, and it rocks in a way that they later lost.

> I like some of it, but seriously it sounds *exactly* like the Sisters of
> Mercy both in music and in vocals.  The aforementioned friend tells me
> they got much better with age and developed a better style of their own,
> more gothy and melodic (or something to that effect).

This is somewhat true, but I think the beginnings of this are represented
on those early eps. Dawnrazor is riffy with kind of a dirty western
flavor as in Power, but The Nephilim could be compared to the song
Darkcell and the last half of Trees Come Down. (They later omitted the
first half in live shows.) Simple goth guitars like on Secrets or The
Tower (I get the two mixed up for some reason), that picking, isn't
really around later on either. Well not much. I wouldn't make the
comparison to the Sisters at all. There really isn't anyone who has
managed to sound anything like Eldritch, that I've heard. In that early
period, Carl McCoy did tend towards traditional gothic style, but not
Eldritch's. I guess the comparison could be made to FLA but I think it's
more related, and musically too, to And Also the Trees's first stuff
(which predates everything else and is also classier, nyah nyah). Anyway,
I'd look before you leap, if I were you, in naming Gary Marx as a major
influence. ;)

Or whatever the hell his name is. Ah, goth politics. This is indeed
thislisty! Really, they stole all their ideas from The Slits. Anyhow, my
point is that their style is later much more well developed, but at the
time of Laura I still don't think they sounded as much like any other
band as they all sounded like each other, and I've always seen the
Sisters as a much too urban feel to be grouped in there. When they (he)
did go gothic in a real sense, it was an enbtirely different kind of
music (as in Floodland, imo the best Sisters album).

> So I'd say it's best to look for something later in their career.

At the point of Elizium, they become somewhat experimental and
pinkfloydy. I love the album, but it's clear the band is pretty
fragmented at that point. You have your heavy metal songs, your classic
gothic stuff, a song with funky basslines, screaming and guitar noise,
the traditional ten-minute disco song (one of their best songs, really)
and a nice quiet thing that goes on forever. They characterised it as an
album with its light and dark sides, but it can be rough going unless you
really like the band. One reason I recommend the self-titled album is
it's consistent and solid without being too uniform.


 einexile
don't fuck with the old gods


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:06:56 +0100
From: Andre Van Leeuwen (Andre.van.Leeuwen@CWI.NL)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm


The Fields 1988 album The Nephilim is one of the best gothic
albums I ever listened to.  They started out more or less as
a Sisters of Mercy clone with Dawnrazor, which is a nice album
but not very spectacular. The Nephilim carries some of the gloomiest
suspense building songs I have ever heard in the genre. (Another
reference might be Love Like Blood, which aren't nearly as original
and intense as the Fields' albums). After The Nephilim another strong
album appeared, Elizium, which never quite grabbed me as The Nephilim
though. After that album they split, a live album (Earth Inferno) and
an ep (Laura) appeared, but IMHO these aren't worth getting.

The Nephilim is for me without doubt the best release of 1988 and I
always use it to explain people what the term gothic stands for.

Well, that's enough rambling for now, back to work...

Andre


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|Drs. Andre M.A. van Leeuwen          leeuw@cwi.nl|
|Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science (CWI)|
|Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands|
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:58:29 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Faith and the Muse (Re: LSD, Faith & the Muse, a request,

              and a confession. Deal with it.)

einexile says (answering k-j, I think):

>>   anyone have any thoughts on faith and the muse?
>
>For those not in the know, this is Monica Richards from Strange Boutique
>and William Faith from Christian Death. All I can really say here is,
>Dear Steve, please kick these people around some and put the band back
>together. I will really miss you. Elyria is nice for Monica's vocals,
>which I must admit do near their high point, and much of the material is
>enjoyable in a goth sort of way, but the last Strange Boutique album
>makes it look like a joke, and what was strong about this album is
>poisoned by keyboard presets, folksy pretense, bad lyrics and that guitar
>effect local goth bands always use. Yuck, and what a waste. Despite my
>distaste for it, however, it is quite pretty. All things considered. :(

OK, I'll agree, compared to Strange Boutique, Faith and the Muse sucks. But
then compared to Strange Boutique, most music sucks (and this is not at all
biased by the fact that when I lived in Baltimore, they were the only
remotely ethereal/ goth band within 100 miles so I had to love them--they
really are an incredible band). Taken on their own merit, though, Faith and
the Muse is quite good.

There are a few songs on Elyria that I can't stand--William Faith's songs.
William Faith has apparently wanted to be Valor for quite some time, so he
programmed up some simple keyboard sequences and laid a guitar track and
some ridiculously pretentious lyrics over the top of them and came up with
something that sounds almost as good as most of the latter-day Christian
Death stuff (and if you've heard any of Valor's music--or heard me arguing
with Valor from the audience at the Christian Death show in Corona a few
months ago--you'll know that's not a compliment). So let's throw out those
songs and talk about the rest of the album.

Monica Richards' voice is absolutely beautiful. Whether she's singing
traditional songs, straightforward goth, swirly ethereal stuff, or a
combination of the three, the highlight and centerpiece of the music is
clearly her voice. The keyboards and guitars could be better (the harder
songs do suffer from excessive metal-guitar-god fantasies on William
Faith's part, and the softer songs are hampered by overly-bland keyboard
patches), but the music itself (as in the writing, vs. the playing) is
quite good, and sets off Monica's vocals effectively.

Actually, I'll go out on a limb and say that I think that Monica's voice
sounds better now than it ever did with Strange Boutique. Some of Strange
Boutique's music (especially the earlier stuff) tended to bury Monica as
just another instrument or support her as if she were a rock singer, while
with Faith and the Muse the music is clearly there to surround and
highlight her.

Overall, Elyria is, while not quite as blissful as Strange Boutique's later
work, one of the best albums I've bought this year (and if I had one of
those Sony CD players that would remember your favorite tracks from each
album, so I could automatically skip the Faith songs, it might rank even
higher).

Of course live, the highlight isn't Monica's voice but her wonderful
outfits. Those tiaras.... The problem with their live performance (besides
the background singers reading their lines out of a book and apparently
unsure whether to harmonize with Monica or sing the same line a few
times--which they actually managed to improve between the first night of
the Procession Tour, in LA, and the second night, in San Francisco) is, of
course, William Faith. If only they could just be The Muse....


  ___________ _________________________________
 /   payn@    \ "I'm a liar, that's the truth" \
/ scf.usc.edu /      --Juliana Hatfield        /
\____________/________________________________/

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:40:51 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm


Mark Stammers wrote (replying to M. J. Polder):

>The Fields  of the Nephilim is one of the original wave of British Goth
>bands that appeared during the 80's.  The only album that I have to hand
>is 'The Nephilim'. This came out around 1988 on (I think) Situation Two.
>While they are a true Goth band I also think that its fair to say that
>they are quite thislisty.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "original wave," unless you mean the
first batch of bands that stopped calling themselves "Batcave bands" and
often wholeheartedly accepted the label "gothic." The Neph started in the
late 80s, almost a decade after such proto-goth bands as Siouxsie and the
Banshees, Joy Division, Bauhaus, etc., and almost as long after the
Sisters/March Violets/Red Lorry Yellow Lorry batch of "classic" goth bands.

That being said, Fields of the Nephilim were one of the most interesting
and original goth bands around. While their early stuff sounds sort of like
a harder version of Sisters of Mercy (like so many other bands,
particularly the current slew of blatant Sisters copyists coming out of
California and other parts of America), their interest in topics ranging
from the occult to spaghetti westerns soon took them in other directions,
both musically and lyrically, including directions that many people would
consider quite thislisty. They also led to quite a silly look for the band,
taking the hat obsession that Andy of the Sisters and Ian of the Cult
flirted with to such extremes that the Neph looked like a band of demonic
cowboys from some best-forgotten Western.

Early songs like "Laura" and "Power" sound a bit like what Andy Eldritch
probably wanted to make in the early days of the Sisters. The repetitive
pseudo-metallic guitar riffs, bass-heavy sound, and droning-but-powerful
low voice bring songs like "Alice" and "Temple of Love" to mind, although
the Neph songs are a bit heavier than these. If this is what you're
interested in, check out the album Dawnrazor or one of the incarnations of
the "Laura" EP (the American EP in current release is probably the best,
with all of the contents of a 5-song EP and a 3-song 12" together on one
CD).

Their next few albums contain much more of the dark ethereal blissful
spookiness that most 4AD fans are probably looking for (and much better
cover art--if I remember correctly, Chris Bigg of v23 and Storm
Constantine's husband whose name I forget did most of it; Storm Constantine
wrote the liner notes to one album [which is the only reason I picked up
her first Wraeththu book--fortunately, I didn't know about her connection
to Valor of Christian Death, or I might never have read it...]), if a bit
less energy. I personally find Elizium to be the best album from this
period, and their best album overall.

Finally, after a few great albums, the Neph broke up. A number of
reshufflings followed, eventually resulting in two bands--Rubicon, which is
essentially the original Fields of the Nephilim with a new singer, and
Nefilim, which is singer Carl McCoy's new band. Rubicon put out an album
called What Starts Ends last year, and it's not bad if you're into metallic
goth rock (a bit like the Cult, but better--although hampered by a bad
singer who desperately wants to be good, instead of by a good singer who
desperately wants to be a bad metal singer). Nefilim has released many
statements and declarations of purpose and rumors of impending releases,
but no actually music (yes, Carl McCoy has finally become the equal of Andy
Eldritch). They have toured England (and Europe? I forget), and the reviews
on the gehenna list (a list for Neph fans) aren't too conclusive, so I
can't give you too much information there.

I'm very surpised that einexile hasn't commented on this thread yet, since
I know that he loves the Neph even more than I do....

  ___________ _________________________________
 /   payn@    \ "I'm a liar, that's the truth" \
/ scf.usc.edu /      --Juliana Hatfield        /
\____________/________________________________/

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:00 MEZ
From: Carlos Sequeira (cseque@DONAU.BOKU.AC.AT)
Subject: (Fwd) Warning - e-mail virus (fwd)


To all; -------------------------- [Original Message]
-------------------------

Subject: FORWARDED WARNING, BEWARE!


>
>This crossed my virtual desk this afternoon.  Does anyone have more info?
>
>>>> Somebody is sending e-mail under the title "good times".  If you get
>>>anything
>>>> like this, DON'T DOWNLOAD THE FILE! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! It has a virus that
>>>> rewrites your hard drive, and you lose anything on your hard drive.  Please
>>>> be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about!
Kate Crowley
Associate Lecturer, Department of Political Science,
University of Tasmania, GPO Box 252C, Hobart, Tasmania, 7001;
(Ph) 61.02.20.2364; (Fax) 61.02.24.0973;
(email) Kate.Crowley@polsci.utas.edu.au

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:01:46 MEZ
From: Carlos Sequeira (cseque@DONAU.BOKU.AC.AT)
Subject: Virus Alert (fwd)


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:12:59 +0800 (WST)
From: Scott A Smith (smith@cleo)
Subject: Virus Alert (fwd)



>>There is a warning circulating on the Internet, about a virus that seems
>>to be transmitted via e-mail. I am aware that this is said to be
>>impossible, but I have received some evidence that it has actually
>>happened.
>>
>>An earlier warning specified email with the subject heading `Good News'.
>>To be safe, I'd avoid that too.
>>
>>Stephen Clark
>>srlclark@liverpool.ac.uk
>>
>>> A virus is circulating on the Internet.  If you receive a message with
>>> the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT.  Delete immediately or your disk will
>>> require treatment by a virus-scanner.  I have had two copies of this
>>> message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned by an early
>>> morning phone call from a friend who got hit.


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:38:30 GMT
From: Richard Jay (r-jay@DIRCON.CO.UK)
Subject: Peter Ulrich


I seem to remember Peter Ulrich (known as percussionist for DCD) released
either a solo album or a collaboration with another named artist. I can't
see it on this list's discography, so does anyone know anything about it ??
------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Richard Jay //////// Songwriter/Musician /////// r-jay@dircon.co.uk
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich


yo

the album (mini) was released as Tarquar's Leaving sometime in 1887
(i think) and was very limited. Supposed to be very percussion
orientated, no surprises there hey??

anyway, all this is a bit vague...i will have to check my 4AD bible
for more info at home tonight and repost some more concrete info
tomorrow...for now though i am dead certain that the release was
Tarquhara's Leaving (the spellling may be quirky though).

cheers
watts
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:41:33 -0600
From: kendal obermeyer (kobermey@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Warning - e-mail virus (fwd)

              6, 94 02:02:00 pm

>
> To all; -------------------------- [Original Message]
> -------------------------
>
> Subject: FORWARDED WARNING, BEWARE!
>
> >Date:         Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:02:14 -0500
> >From:         John King 
> >Subject:      Virus Distributed via E-mail
> >
> >This crossed my virtual desk this afternoon.  Does anyone have more info?
> >
> >>>> Somebody is sending e-mail under the title "good times".  If you get
> >>>anything
> >>>> like this, DON'T DOWNLOAD THE FILE! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! It has a virus that
> >>>> rewrites your hard drive, and you lose anything on your hard drive.
 Please
> >>>> be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about!
> Kate Crowley
> Associate Lecturer, Department of Political Science,
> University of Tasmania, GPO Box 252C, Hobart, Tasmania, 7001;
> (Ph) 61.02.20.2364; (Fax) 61.02.24.0973;
> (email) Kate.Crowley@polsci.utas.edu.au
>
NO, NO MORE INFO, BUT IT'S POSTED ON SEVERAL CHATTERS...

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich


ooops...

Peter also worked with Heavenly Bodies and i think he features on
theirvery first demo called White Ash & Coal Dust...once again i'll
have to check on that tonight.....GEEZ....gimme a break!!! how can my
teeny brain remember all this????

tata
watts__________________________________________________
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!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
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!                                  ROY BATTY     !
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:39:33 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Fur and Leather


>      Just like the lass who came into  the store wearing an anti-fur button
        and leather shoes.

        Kent J. Vanderwaal
        kjv@catherine.cim.cdc.com
>      "gifted child, omouidashite yo"

Well, leather is killed for food, not for clothing.  Fur is killed for
fashion. %-)

Jan

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:17:36 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tower.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm


If I remember rightly Rubicon supported FISH in Milan
a couple of years back. So I think you see where their musical
direction headed.

I've got one 12 inch of theirs and IMO its not all that good.

'H'y

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Fur and Leather


at the risk of sounding like i wanna start a flame war or a rope (i
mean thread)

killing is killing no matter what the fuck it is for (fashion or food)

someone once said that if animals beleived in god, manking would be
the devil....makes a lot of fucking sense.

...and what the hell has this to do with 4AD one may ask ...????

oh well back to the tofu

cheers gang
watts

PS : I wonder how many vegans are on this list....anyone????____________________
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!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
!                            Time...to die!      !
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!                                  ROY BATTY     !
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:42:42 +0000
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Fur and Leather


>
> Well, leather is killed for food, not for clothing.  Fur is killed for
> fashion. %-)
>
> Jan

True, but sales of leather, a by-product of meat, bring down the price
of the meat and make it more viable. Hence by buying leather you're
encouraging others to buy meat.

That said, I eat meat and wear leather but loathe on fur-wearers.
I don't think that makes me a hypocrite, but who knows?

Robb
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:22:59 +0100
From: Patrick Asselman (patrick@STACK.URC.TUE.NL)
Subject: Beavis=Beatles+Elvis

              6, 94 01:38:25 am

>           last night it came to me so clearly, i could almost touch it.
>                 "Beatles" plus "Elvis" equals "Beavis"

Hahaha   :-)))))
Aaaaah. This is funny!

Now for Butthead. Any suggestions?

---Patrick---  // patrick@stack.urc.tue.nl

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:22:23 -0600
From: kendal obermeyer (kobermey@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: a spark of knowledge

              94 10:41:55 pm

>
> >
> >           last night it came to me so clearly, i could almost touch it.
> >                 "Beatles" plus "Elvis" equals "Beavis"
>
>
> Yes, and Donald Sutherland played Homer Simpson in Day of the Locust.
>
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand godzilla is part godz , part illa...

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 02:53:31 +1100
From: Daniel Wilson (dwilson@ST.NEPEAN.UWS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Rage with Frank Black


Does anyone have the e-mail address of the guy who originally sent this.
I lost it somehow.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Heya,heya,heyaaa...
    This was my signoff, bye.


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:39:39 +0100
From: Peter Granstrvm (f94-pgr@nada.kth.se)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm


Pardon me, but what are Fileds of the Nephilim doing on a 4ad-list? They
are at Situation Two/Beggars Banquet aren't they?

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:52:36 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich


> I seem to remember Peter Ulrich (known as percussionist for DCD) released
> either a solo album or a collaboration with another named artist. I can't
> see it on this list's discography, so does anyone know anything about it ??

It's a 2-song 12" called "Taquaharu's Leaving", and I think it came out
in 89 or 90. Nothing really great, and I never see it anymore as I'm
sure it's vinyl only.

brant


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:37:37 -0500
From: Deb (indigo@UNIVERSE.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: 4AD-L Digest - 4 Dec 1994 to 5 Dec 1994 (fwd)


-------- Forwarded message --------
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 00:51:12 -0500
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@CS.COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Subpop WWW


I am not sure about teenbeat, but subpop has a web site

        http://www.subpop.com/

Now wasn't that easy?

Quick plug, I try to keep my music web listing active, so check out

to checks things out - I have the index sorted by types - such
as artists pages, record labels, etc, so things have a place rather than
just a long big listing.

-Michael

and it was an AMAZING show - highly recommended. I need to pick
up one of their CDs to see if the live show translates to recorded material.)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:23:00 +0100
From: Patrick Asselman (patrick@STACK.URC.TUE.NL)
Subject: Breeders bootleg


> Just saw a cute Breeders bootleg downtown--the name of it was, "Don't
> need no fat man"
>
>                                         jason

Can anyone give me more info on this?
I'm trying to make a new Breeders discography, with all bootlegs
included. All contributions are welcome.

As soon as the info stops coming in I'll make the sucker and send y'all
a copy through this list.

Oh yeah, just because quick-plugging is so popular  ;-)
did everyone take a look at the subbacultcha www pages yet?
(Pixies/Throwing Muses/Belly/Frank Black/Kristin Hersh)

---Patrick---   //       patrick@stack.urc.tue.nl

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:57:42 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: bettie serveert


does anyone have access to a bettie serveert discography. I'd really like
to see a completed one.
mgarrett@depauw..edu


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:50:29 +0100
From: Cord Walter (xeper@UNIXEN.HRZ.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


> > Not me.  I'll keep eating the sugar right out of the bag.
> > And as far as sex appeal goes, I still want Miki just as much as I always
> > have...  26-27 isn't "old".
> >
> >             -jOHN is fearing K*J's evil flame (hehehe)
> >
> hey john,
>         yup, same here.  lush is my favorite band and i can't get enough
> of miki...her and her music.

> -pete

Isn't it strange?
You know exactly, how silly it is to get so excited about your
favourite 'Pop Star', but still ... (sigh) ... You can't help it.

-cord

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:31:59 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: And Also the Trees


I hear good things about this band, like "Springhouse meets a more gothic
Chameleons", but I have no idea what to pick up first. They have something
like 8 albums, all of which are expensive imports. Can anyone offer some
recommendations.
Does anyone know if the newest Blind Mr. Jones (Tatooine) is worth buying on
import?

-and if anyone likes REALLY whacked-out ethereality, try a band called
DADAMAH. All their material has been rereleased by Kranky as "This Is Not a
Dream". How can they be described other than one-of-a-kind? Slow, gentle
strumming and disaffected vocals give way to mind-altering noise and spacey
echoes. Very worthwhile, but not for all tastes. 4 1/2 paws - Joe Bob
BisonBoy says check it out!

BisonBoy

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:08:46 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich


In <9412061659.AA11081@harper.cc.il.us>, Brant Nelson wrote:
> It's a 2-song 12" called "Taquaharu's Leaving", and I think it came out
> in 89 or 90. Nothing really great, and I never see it anymore as I'm
> sure it's vinyl only.

I remember seeing this when it came out (5 or 6 copies), and going back a week
later to buy it (no copies left) and NEVER seeing it again anywhere.
-shill

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[]  []  [] Network Specialist             Voice:708-925-6273
           William Rainey Harper College    Fax:708-925-6030
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:55:25 -0500
From: Neil Impelluso (neil.impelluso@CIRCELLAR.COM)
Subject: I-NET QUESTION


Forgive me for posting this here, but I've got a question to throw at those who
have used cdeurope & cd connection.

I only have e-mail access and no telnet access (yet).  Is it possible to get
catalogs as e-mail from them, or to get searches by artist from them using only
e-mail?  I've heard about how you can get files on the Internet using e-mail
and something about uu-coding.

Any help would be appreciated.

An apparent newbie,
 Neil
NEIL.IMPELLUSO@CIRCELLAR.COM
NEIL.IMPELLUSO%CIRCELLAR.COM@PNET.COM
NEIL.IMPELLUSO@DRS.STATE.CT.US


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:47:42 -0800
From: Ernest Lopez (elopez@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Peter Ulrich


"Taqaharu's Leaving" 12-inch has a pretty good B-side called
"Evocation" which sounds like one of those famous Dead Can Dance
tribal-drum orgies, with Ulrich chanting. It ends with a cheesy
sounding Roland D-Series marimba/xylophone sound. There are contributions
by Ruth Watson on oboe and someone else who eludes my murky final-obssesed
mind right now.

As a note, Peter Ulrich thanks Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard on the sleeve
for their help and inspiration.

clam chowder for all,
elopez@chaph.usc.edu


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:23:35 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: <<<<


     Who are these guys?
<<<<

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:42:16 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: IN CAMRERA's "13 (Lucky For Some)"


Someone a few days ago asked about this CD, but since no one replied, I
thought I would.  I really like it myself, though it may not be everyone's
cup of tea.  I guess if you like early TWP (no later than "Legendary...")
and early 4AD in general (i.e., THE BIRTHDAY PARTY/BAUHAUS), you'll like
this.  It's really dark, percussive, and evil.  This is especially true of
the newer songs.  "Deflowered" is about the singer(?) being sexually abused
as a child and has some really chilling lyrics.  Creepy shit.

By the way, the UK (4AD) version is much nicer than the US (Teen Beat)
version.  The layout and printing on the US version are really shoddy.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:58:29 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: IN CAMERA "13..."


In <9412062245.AA14482@harper.cc.il.us>, jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU wrote:
> Someone a few days ago asked about this CD, but since no one replied, I
> thought I would.  I really like it myself, though it may not be everyone's
> cup of tea.

I have been trying to find this disc for months and come up empty. I even
tried ordering through cdconnection.com and they couldn't get it for me. There
are admittedly a few places in Chicago that I haven't looked yet, but can
anyone help me by pointing me in the right direction?
-shill

--
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[]  []  [] Network Specialist             Voice:708-925-6273
           William Rainey Harper College    Fax:708-925-6030
[]  []  [] 1200 West Algonquin Road        Page:708-962-0430
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:33:23 -0500
From: "[spiraL]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: IN CAMRERA's "13 (Lucky For Some)"


On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU wrote:
> By the way, the UK (4AD) version is much nicer than the US (Teen Beat)
> version.  The layout and printing on the US version are really shoddy.

gosh i hate that...
is it all imports are better in some way or another?
what is wrong with this society... (not to be taken
in an entirely serious way... except the part about
US versions being of lower quality...)

grrrr! :)  anarchy with a smile... right jOHN? ;)
b'bi.

                                --->spiral
                                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:00:08 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: <<<<


>       jcrimm asked about: ultracindys and lovesliescrushing-----

     hiya', let me begin by saying that you have stumbled onto some
great stuff. i'm not sure if there is another ultracindy around or not,
but the one i know are four guys from norfolk, va who now mostly reside
in richmond. they play great, dreamy, furious, jangle-pop songs. in fact,
i saw them open for the wedding present exactly one week ago tonight.
they played at my radio station's band nite. by "my" i mean i am a
student and dj. anyway, they are a terriffic bunch of fellows who play
straightforward pop. i believe that their new album "mermaid's parade" is
one of the first albums on the new -earthling- label from somewhere up
north. they'll have a new ep out next year. they are also featured on a
compilation called Wyatt's Torch put out by Spinart and Brilliant. i can
get anyone a copy of wyatt's torch for $7 (including postage). there are
four tracks each by; the technical jed, poole, seymoures, and of course,
ultracindy. it's a pretty great collection.
        i'm sure many listys will have lots to say about your other
query; lovesliescrushing, the new projekt project! so i'll just say that it
comes highly recommended.
        anyone interested in the wyatt's torch disc can either email me:
                desarg@mail.wm.edu
        or write to:
        Dave Sargent
        College Station Box 4653
        College of William & Mary
        Williamsburg, VA 23186-4653
        (804)221-5034


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:21:05 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: testing, ignore please


    :::mikebee@freenet.fsu.edu:::        --everybody's kung fu fighting--
    ///////Kicks more flava than Mister Rogers' got neighbors////////

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:00:08 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilm


On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Peter Granstrvm wrote:

> Pardon me, but what are Fileds of the Nephilim doing on a 4ad-list? They
> are at Situation Two/Beggars Banquet aren't they?

Where have you been?? We all hate 4AD now. :) Really, you may have seen
one or more of these other artists discussed: Stereolab, Moonshake,
Laika, And Also the Trees, Strange Boutique, Echo and the Bunnymen,
Cranes, Faith and the Muse, Love Spirals Downwards, Soul Whirling
Somewhere, Autechre, Laika, Seefeel, Aphex Twin, Labradford,
Swervedriver, Mouse on Mars, In the Nursery, all fairly recently (or at
least I hope so). Kind of what happens when we run out of 4AD releases to
buy and talk about and venture out into the terrifyin world of
undependable labels in search of more. Generally the list stays on-topic
within reason because most of us, liking 4AD as a collective unit and as
a uniform glob agreeing that Tanya Donelly is the one true Goddess, tend
to like the same bands off 4AD...or it could just be that the Nephilim,
Warp, Too Pure, Strange Boutique, and Projekt are all just plain awesome
as hell and none dare deny it.

Hey, anyone want to start up that ol' thislisty thread again? The season
is upon us. ;)

e


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