Subject: a li'l late in the day, but happy birthday anyway...
Subject: projektish reviews...anyone...lsd...ardor...thoughts?
Subject: Frosty
Subject: argh subscription stuff
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Subject: Re: mass marketing
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to...
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Subject: LSD, Faith & the Muse, a request, and a confession. Deal with it.
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Subject: SLOWDIVE info (repost)
Subject: Blockbuster Music
Subject: Dirty rotten stinkin' fascists!!!!
Subject: UPC codes
Subject: Colourbox/In Camera/WGP
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???
Subject: Re: Dirty rotten stinkin' fascists!!!!
Subject: AVAM CD...
Subject: Grow Up
Subject: baraka (sic?)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:09:58 -0800
happy birthday to someone on this list
happy birthday to someone on this list
happy birthday dearest someone on this list
happy birthday to you.
:) (=) *k*
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 22:43:09 -0800
being that i am both bored & sick :sniffle: and seeing as how
the list is sort of...i dunno...more off topic than "on", i was
hoping some people could dish out some reviews of lsd's new one {?}
i haven't heard much about the disc...just a lot of BS about the band
being like this group or that group, or UPCs. :(
anyone have any thoughts on faith and the muse?
*k*
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 22:47:14 -0800
I went CD shopping today and found something interesting.
Frosty the Snowman by the Cocteau twins is now on a Christmas
compilation called, "The Coolest Christmas" (I think).
The CD includes tracks by the likes of the Beach Boys, Dick Van Dyke...
bye,
Selwyn
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 02:21:57 -0500
um..*blush* it seems that the original instructions i got to subscribe
were quite wrong as i got no mail from this list today..so can anyone
please send me the proper instructions so i can finally get back here?
many thanks and apologies for this stupid letter. :)
mike
:::[email protected]::: --everybody's kung fu fighting--
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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 23:37:25 -0800
On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Jason Greshes and her wrote:
> YAH! Torch the place! Burn Blockbuster! :)
> jason
Damn, I thought you were the other Jason when I wrote that. Well, I never
thought I'd agree with you, either. ;)
e, nyah
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 23:33:13 -0800
On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Jason Greshes and her wrote:
> YAH! Torch the place! Burn Blockbuster! :)
You know, I never thought I'd end up agreeing with *you* but after the
more recent postings I have to agree. Nerve gas the whole fucking nest.
> ps. Just make sure the mom-and-pop doesn't get too competitive, or
> Blockbuster will buy them.
Don't you mean they send the Bulkbuster Secret Police in to hold Mom and
Pop at gunpoint until they give it away along with their kids' college
fund and any pets that might happen to be on the premises? (How come all
the bookstores have cats in them but none of the video stores?)
every little sucks,
einexile
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 23:47:26 -0800
>> I mean, what makes Lush intrinsically and qualitatively less mainstream than
>> Pearl Jam? They're both rock and roll bands with major record deals. The fact
>> that one of them sells fewer albums, gets less attention, and is regarded by
>> the readership of this list as superior musically, is only a quantitative
>> difference...
>Exactly; which is why I used mainstream in quotes.
No, no, what makes Pearl Jam more mainstream is this: People in the
mainstream listen to them, and the mainstream press covers them as if they
were a mainstream band. Essentially, the fact that they sell more albums
(and get more mention in the popular press and so forth) is what makes them
more mainstream. It has nothing to do with musical superiority or
inferiority--for example, Nirvana is musically superior to Pearl Jam, but
no less mainstream (pick your own example if you don't agree with this
one).
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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 23:55:27 -0800
On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Gil Gershman wrote:
> I listened to it
> again a few times. I was sweating. I was reeling.
> Invest the time in the single and
> I'm pretty sure you will come to enjoy it with their best.
You know, I've almost come to expect this. When I get something and
really hate it, I actually look forward to eventually growing to love it,
but it's not happening here. Maybe I gave up too soon.
> Anyone know
> anything about "Starethrough" - I haven't picked it up yet and would like to
> hear some impressions.
It's rather great. A lot of new ideas on it, well explored and developed
but at the same time nicely focussed. At first a few of the songs seemed
bland to me but I was looking for the wrong things. Subtle stuff. It's
pretty essential and has a flavor all its own. Quique and most of the
previous songs had a groove to them and travelled, you know? But
Starethrough sort of stays in one place and looks around carefully,
concentrating on the details. The greatness is in the places normally
allocated to convention, and there is little else. For this reason it is
one of the bleakest records I've ever heard, but also one of the most
original. Of course maybe to a lot of people it would inspire images of
people galloping through forests on flaming horses, but to me Seefeel are
desolation and subtle drama, so Starethrough has a special place in my
heart because it is the naked skeleton of that.
e
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 03:20:43 -0600
On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:
(How come all
> the bookstores have cats in them but none of the video stores?)
>
Ah...yes, well, cats are smart, you see. :)
Martin
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 01:46:22 -0800
On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, the One True Twee petitioned:
> being that i am both bored & sick :sniffle: and seeing as how
> the list is sort of...i dunno...more off topic than "on", i was
> hoping some people could dish out some reviews of lsd's new one {?}
Ardor is wonderful. I've only listened to it a few times and I'm
reluctant to say this but I'll close my eyes and jump: It's even better
than Idylls. In ways, at least. Some of the record is a nice throwback to
the last album. I am listening to the third song, "Write in Water," as I
wrote this, and think it could definitely be off Idylls, but there are
some new factors in the equation. The music becomes *very* bright and
hopeful, even celebratory at times. A certain sense of regret is still
there, though, which has always been a reason I liked LSD. This mainly
exists in the guitar while the vocals harmonize wonderfully then
sometimes disintegrate into something dissonant and chaotic. One reason I
am really happy with this album is that the raw charm which only peeked
out of Idylls is all over Ardor. This has come as a relief since the
tracks on Of These Reminders seemed to indicate an opposite trend. The
guitars are also changed. At times they are painfully soulful, totally
different for them, and yet you don't have the annoying pitfall of a band
totally changing its style just because it's a new album and time to move
on. Always there are signs of Idylls, in the whole style and songwriting.
The only thing which has completely changed is that Ardor is melodically
more powerful and moving. It's really a record that can get inside you.
"Subsequently" is one of the most beautiful, sad, disturbing songs I can
think to name. But enough of Idylls, because half this album is totally
new, stylistically. Those kinds of flowing atmospheres that always make
you wonder how they came up with it. Descending pickings that hit in all
the right places. Soul. Ambience that really draws a landscape and goes
someplace and means something. Dramatic places where the song breaks off
and propels itself in a surprising new direction. This happened on
Idylls, but seemed very formal. Idylls is wonderful, but it is courteous
and polite and formal. This is actually WHY it is wonderful, but Ardor is
different. It's mysterious. It seems to have materialised. It is not so
much an artistic achievement as it is an elemental force, and for this
it is powerful as all hell. And then I got to the end of the album and
dreaded a third boring BTBG cover, only to find a marvelous reworking, a
fitting end for a great journey, a strange resting place in a landscape
which is perfect in its near-perfection.
> anyone have any thoughts on faith and the muse?
For those not in the know, this is Monica Richards from Strange Boutique
and William Faith from Christian Death. All I can really say here is,
Dear Steve, please kick these people around some and put the band back
together. I will really miss you. Elyria is nice for Monica's vocals,
which I must admit do near their high point, and much of the material is
enjoyable in a goth sort of way, but the last Strange Boutique album
makes it look like a joke, and what was strong about this album is
poisoned by keyboard presets, folksy pretense, bad lyrics and that guitar
effect local goth bands always use. Yuck, and what a waste. Despite my
distaste for it, however, it is quite pretty. All things considered. :(
I think this is about all I have to say at the moment, except that Lisa
Germano is quickly becoming my favorite artist on 4AD. Will keep you
posted as new developments arise...
yay
einexile
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 02:50:30 PST
Chalk me up for a vote AGAINST Blockbuster. Whatever your politics may be,
this company has an agenda which any intelligent person can see right through
as being manipulative and overbearing. I'm surprised no one brought up
their "acquisition" of Music Plus, now known as Blockbuster Music. I go to
school and am one of the managers at the CD Listening Bar whose owners
came up with the original concept of "listen before you buy". Unfortunately,
an idea/concept like that can't be patented so lo and behold, Blockbuster
Music, Tower, Wherehouse and many other music stores have "borrowed" the
idea. "Stolen" is more like it but patent laws only seem to protect tangible
things rather than concepts, ideas and the like. I wonder if Blockbuster will
overlook their usual business practices when _Pulp Fiction_ comes out on
video so they can cash in on it's popularity. Hypocritical, yes! Inconsis-
tent with what they've done in the past, no!
Jason
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"J's Heaven", "Visions of La", "Cranium" and "All Of Us"
"We are also planning on doing a cover of "4th Of July" (Galaxie 500), for
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point in time when this is due to be released!"
Slowdive has also done the soundtrack for Forest Wise's film, "I Am The
Elephant & U Are The Mouse". Forest and Neil are planning on collaborating on
a new project from conception to completion which Rachel says that "we will
score the music for". She also mentions that "we are contributing some songs
to a new film, directed by Greg Akari." The title is "The Doom Generation"
which Rachel describes as "an edgy road flick". Akari has previously directed
"Totally Fucked Up" and "The Living End". The film will be released in about
a year with the soundtrack being issued domestically on American Recordings.
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Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 10:46:08 -0500
>einexile said:
>
>attached to them. Nah, I don't think so. Just good business when some of
>your customers, myself included, don't want to be subjected to whatever
>fashion statement the brat behind the counter feels a need to scandalise
>prudish right-wingers with on any given day. You would rather the
>employees decide for the owners what their stores will be like?
HELLO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!
Just good business?
Subjected to whatever fashion statement?
Brat behind the counter?
This sounds totally fascist to me. I thought in the '90's that we didn't
criticise or persecute people for the choice of personal aesthetic. I am
delighted going to a store or restaurant and the employees have their hair
the way they want. I think blue hair is stupid but I would NEVER consider
that the person ringing up my CD or dinner should have anything else than
what he/she wants to have.
It sounds like Blockbuster is right wing because, traditionally, dress codes
and other restrictions have been perpetuated by them. Like, the Catholic
Church, for example. Frankly I am happy to hear these things about
Blockbuster so I can NEVER GO THERE, EVER! Life is too short to allow
myself to be restricted by a corporation's idea of how music seller should
be dressed.
Jan
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:33:44 -0500
Jason Greshes and her wrote:
> Blockbuster is evil. I'll take ten Best Buys before those bastards.
"Satan is good. Satan is your pal." (from _The 'Burbs_)
Yeah, right now they're down in a basement somewhere trying to figure out how to
inject "family-value" drugs into all the peoples of America...
Martin Wagner wrote:
> Jesus H.Jones, they're a VIDEO STORE! How does a VIDEO STORE become so huge
> and powerful they can dictate how Hollywood makes movies?
Hard work and wise investments? Same thing could be said of Greenpeace and CNN.
Oh..is that a different issue? Environemental groups are certainly not as
powerful as evil American corporations, right? They are looking out for our
common good--making sure we don't have too much fun enjoying our high standard
of living.
> BB won't rent anything NC-17 or with a hint of sexually explicit content,
'scuse me, but I've rented both unrated versions of 9 1/2 weeks, Scandal, and
several other movies who names escape me at the moment...
> 2) They DON'T QUIT! The last time I was in one of those sterile
> hellholes I couldn't believe what was going on on the monitors. Were
> they showing a film, like virtually every other video store on Earth.
> No. There was a constant tape loop playing Blockbuster ads! And I
> thought, why the hell are they running these? We're ALREADY _IN_ the
> store! Accck.
In-store advertising? God....the HORROR!
> Cut your card up. I did.
You know what I did when everyone began cutting up their Exxon cards and
painting them black because of Hazelwood? I got an Exxon card and began buying
gas *only* from them. I *still* buy gas ONLY from Exxon. I'm *EVIL*...E V I L!
Lars wrote:
> Are we doing one of those political polls? I'm a communist.
I'm an Objectivist....who, by the way are hardly "right-wingers" or
"christians"...just a group of people who piss *everyone* off because they don't
fall into the b/w areas of left or right.
It's hard to argue with a philosophy as firmly entrenched in fact and reason as
objectivism is....about the best you get is the "you suck!" or "Ayn Rand is a
fascist!" crap because no one takes the time to do any independent thinking or
research of their own anymore. Why, CNN is a fine place to get the "facts" of
our everyday world. Why question what they say? It's certainly alot easier to
have them sort-out the news for us.
Oh, is this a music list? I guess I'd better buckle up my flame-retardant suit
and set my phasers on "kill".
"Get me outta here, Scotty!"
marvynHortman
"The most selfish of all things is the independent mind that recognizes no
authority higher than its own and no value higher than its judgement of
truth." -- Ayn Rand
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 13:57:38 -0500
Einexile and others: Why is that you think that an artist is compromising
their work and defacing their art when they put a UPC code on the CD tray
card? Isn't the art the MUSIC after all (I mean that's what the band makes)?
I fail to see how a UPC code on the tray card can effect and comprimise the
band's music on the CD. I personally judge the artist's work, and their
artistc intergrity, by the music on the CD. In fact, most bands/artists have
absolutely no say as to whether there will or will not be UPC code; it's a
decision made by the label. So again, how is the artist compromising their
art??? (perhaps the label is doing the compromising?)
einexile writes:
An artist has no business compromising the integrity of his form in order
to make a buck. No one asked him to become an artist, and there are a lot
of us who do just fine in the process of making no money at all in the
process of selling music to the public.
I too agree that the idea of "art for art's sake" is very nice, but
unfortunately very ideal and very unreal (unless you have a rich family or
still live with your parents). No one ever gets forced to be an artist, but
it sure is nice if the artist can make enough from their art in order to
sustain themselves so that they can continue to create new work. Or else,
they'll stop creating and get 'real' jobs and you'll never hear from them
again! Artists have a right to eat and pay rent too!!!
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:53:58 +0000
Well I got bored and read the 4AD faq where the destination of Colourbox was
queried. Well, I was at a WGP gig at the New Cross VENUE in London sometime
late 91/early 92 (digression, they were supported by Pulp who were
unknown at the time?) where I bumped into Chris Acland from LUSH..I
always seem to find him at WGP gigs, he is rather fond of their
music...anyway, the subject of Colourbox came up and Chris pointed out
Steve Young at the bar buying drinks..apparently he was still surviving
quite nicely on the royalties even back in 91!!
On a more interesting point, has anyone bought the IN CAMERA CD "13 Lucky
for Some"? It has 4 extra tracks, which are totally new and somewhat
similar to the darker sides of "Queer"...Mick Allen sings on at least
one. At the above gig, Mick introduced me to Dave Steiner who played drums
on the Burden of Mules and Queer...and Pete Moore (of In Camera) was
also one of the roadies on the WGP UK Queer tour...they aren't making any more
music but obviously remain friends...see if you can spot them at a WGP gig
near you..they'll be impressed if you wave a copy of "IV Songs" in their
direction....
Andrew.
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 14:26:14 -0600
On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:
>
> Alright, this is the last straw. I know some of you will totally disagree
> with what I have to say so don't take this as a shot at your tastes, but I
> think some will agree with me that Seefeel have started releasing rotten
> music. I have finally acquired the three songs the band has put out since
> Starethrough, and I am flabergasted at how uninspired and boring they
> are.
I assume you are referring to Fracture/Tied and Lief.
I do agree with you, though I must say that I like Fracture. It seems
that Seefeel have traded in doing something that no one else was doing
and doing it well for doing what a lot of people are doing and doing it
not so well. I really don't think their new tracks are breaking any new
ground at all. Perhaps they are trying to distance themselves from their
"twee" roots (Too Pure) by going in for a harder sound, appealing more to
the techno scene and turning off any of the ex-shoegazers that may
have liked them.
When their new album comes out, I will buy it. But if all the
material on it sounds like Lief (and I'm willing to bet that it will),
then I am afraid I will have to mourn the passing of a once inspiring and
original band.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for a band growing and exploring new
territory, changing their sound and their approaches. In fact, I expect
it, and was looking forward to Seefeel doing so. But the direction that
Seefeel is going in is not only musically unrewarding for me, but feels
more self-concious than genuine. Like it's something they feel they SHOULD do
rather than something they want to do.
-Matt
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 16:58:48 -0500
>
Yeah, right now they're down in a basement somewhere trying to figure out how to
inject "family-value" drugs into all the peoples of America...
No, but Monday they'll back in an office planning how to take over as
much of the entertainment business as possible, and part of their
business is limiting what I can buy and rent. Reality isn't that far
from your sarcasm.
Hard work and wise investments? Same thing could be said of Greenpeace and CNN.
Monopolistic business practices, perhaps?
> > 2) They DON'T QUIT! The last time I was in one of those sterile
> > hellholes I couldn't believe what was going on on the monitors. Were
> > they showing a film, like virtually every other video store on Earth.
> > No. There was a constant tape loop playing Blockbuster ads! And I
> > thought, why the hell are they running these? We're ALREADY _IN_ the
> > store! Accck.
>
> In-store advertising? God....the HORROR!
No, just the annoyance. I don't know if they still do it, but at Tampa
Stadium they blast ads through the entire game. (Not a nice thing to do
to someone that's already brain dead enough to pay for a Bucs ticket.)
>
> > Cut your card up. I did.
>
You know what I did when everyone began cutting up their Exxon cards and
painting them black because of Hazelwood? I got an Exxon card and began buying
gas *only* from them. I *still* buy gas ONLY from Exxon. I'm *EVIL*...E V I L!
>
No, you're an asshole. People buy from companies they like. Why do you
think stores have little stickers up showing what charities they've given
to. Why do you think companies run ads about the companies themselves
intead of simply showing their products? The opposite also applies:
people don't buy from companies they don't like. Normal part of
business. Normal part of capitalism. Normal part of economics. Tough,
cope with it.
> Lars wrote:
>
> > Are we doing one of those political polls? I'm a communist.
>
> I'm an Objectivist....who, by the way are hardly "right-wingers" or
"christians"...just a group of people who piss *everyone* off because they don't
fall into the b/w areas of left or right.
>
It's hard to argue with a philosophy as firmly entrenched in fact and reason as
objectivism is....about the best you get is the "you suck!" or "Ayn Rand is a
fascist!" crap because no one takes the time to do any independent thinking or
research of their own anymore. Why, CNN is a fine place to get the "facts" of
our everyday world. Why question what they say? It's certainly alot easier to
have them sort-out the news for us.
Huh? I shouldn't do what CNN says, instead I should do what Ayn Rand
says? Howbout I do what I want?
btw, I don't see where the fringe ideological crap applies when all we're
discussing is which business we like to buy from. As I said before, that
is an accepted an encourage component of business and economics. Why do
you have a problem with it? Its not like we said Blockbuster sucks so
have the government take them over and distribute cds equally on...etc...
jason
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:00:41 -0600
hey everybody...
dont know how ppl's search is going to the AVAM cd, but i have an extra
one that i picked up at a store...it is still factory sealed. The price
on the CD is $11.88...what i payed for it, if interested, please send me
e-mail ([email protected]) and we can talk price for CD, shipping,
and profit for me... :) Talk to ya later...
MILLER