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Subject: CA sales tax
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:06:05 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:24:29 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: 300.500
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 00:38:04 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: small v. big record stores
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 00:46:48 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: This is a mail list ad
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 00:47:46 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: Glee Club on Setanta/ the new Trademark of Quality/ Love Spreads
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 00:34:07 -0600
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@vmsa.csd.mu.edu)
Subject: thanks
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:51:39 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: WWW
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:56:45 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:16:23 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:40:04 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: v23 fonts /// depressing music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:09:37 +0100
From: Laurent Lapierre (t3_0038@EFP.POZNAN.PL)
Subject: Re: Lush interactive
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 03:59:06 -0500
From: David B Hanna (dhanna@MAIL.SAS.UPENN.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSH LUSH LUSH
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:57:20 +0100
From: Kristiaan Art (Kristiaan.Art@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: LUCH in TOKYO
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:10:21 +0100
From: Peter Granstrvm (f94-pgr@NADA.KTH.SE)
Subject: Th'Faith Healers & Too Pure
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:18:00 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Th'Faith Healers & Too Pure
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:37:54 -0800
From: Brian Lyons (brianlyo@GODFATHER.CYBERQUEST.COM)
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:57:36 -0500
From: Allwyn Crichlow (allwync@INTERNIC.NET)
Subject: technology, posters and more
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: LUCH in TOKYO
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 22:41:00 +0900
From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRASy1AbiEhMm06SBsoSg==?= (JCB00104@NIFTYSER
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:03:56 MST
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: Reply to Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:43:43 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Re: AVAM cd Found
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:53:20 -0500
From: Deb (indigo@UNIVERSE.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:09:01 -0500
From: Steven W Schuldt (sschuldt@NEWYORK.BOZELL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:41:46 -0600
From: Randy Peppler (peppler@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Misc bands and other things.
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:07:00 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Misc bands and other things.
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:08:26 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Danse Society
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:22:59 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Magnetic Fields
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:26:52 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: Reply to Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:25:00 PST
From: Timothy Edwards (ECZ5TAE@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: mass marketing
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:42:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: LUCH in TOKYO
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:32:02 -0800
From: "Peter C. Lee" (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: K*J the Fascist PIGGY
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:56:28 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:20:18 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:55:07 -0800
From: "Peter C. Lee" (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: small vs. large stores
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:33:04 -0600
From: Jason Lee Phillips (jasonlee@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: infrequently lush
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:50:00 -0500
From: Henrique Fernandes (henrique.fernandes@canrem.com)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:09:32 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:40:15 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Projekt goes UPC
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:31:48 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly (Popolv@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:48:53 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 20:52:34 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:56:45 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:12:15 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: CD help...
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:34:42 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: K*J the Fascist PIGGY
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:48:13 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:56:12 MST
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: hover cd release
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:48:00 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: A question about Projekt
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:05:48 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: How many Trademarks?
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:00:20 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: mass marketing
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:26:33 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:27:49 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: LSD on upc codes
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:32:42 -0500
From: Suzperry@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:22:10 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: A question about Projekt
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:35:13 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush interactive
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 18:24:02 -0500
From: Ned Anderson (DavidC1349@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt goes UPC
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:29:32 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:31:36 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: for BisonBoy
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:11:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:08:58 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to...
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 20:13:44 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: AVAM cd Found
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 20:34:55 -0500
From: Ned Anderson (DavidC1349@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:50:22 -0600
From: Sanz (bighat@RIPCO.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 18:26:00 PST
From: Timothy Edwards (ECZ5TAE@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Magnetic Fields
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:27:40 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:06:05 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: CA sales tax


I should have mentioned this with my Hover CD plug.
If you're ordering anything from us in California,
you need to add the appropriate sales tax (use your
local county value or just the LA county value of 8.25%).
Is CA the only state where sales tax varies by county?

Pretty soon a downloadable file of the Hover album cover
will be available from the usual jhuvm archives. I'll let
you know when.

\>

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:24:29 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


        If Blockbuster Music is related to Blockbuster Video, don't buy
from them because the company is very right wing.  Knowing what's best
for you and your loved ones and all.  "American family values" and all
that rot.
        I know one shouldn't mix art and politics, but I always think about
where my money goes.  My money (read time spent working) is one of my
strongest voices.

        David

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 00:38:04 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: 300.500


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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 00:46:48 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: small v. big record stores


Before the past year I'd done all my shopping at independent stores,
because, despite what I've read here, they were CHEAPER than anyplace
else.  When I lived in Ft. Lauderdale I bought entirely at Uncle Sam's,
and the University of Rochester I I only bought from Record Archive,
Lakeshore, and very occasionally handled the chaos of House of Guitars.
During law school at U of Florida, Hyde and Zykes and Schoolkids got all
my business, and I steered people away from the mall.

Now I'm here in North Philadelphia and the closest decent indie show is a
long ride away in Bryn Mawr.  Circuit City looks damned good.  It all
depends on where you live.  If you're near a college campus, you can get
cds at a good price from an indie store.  If you're not, you can pay
$17.99 at the Wall or $9.88 at Circuit City etc.  I'll take 9.88 and I
think those megastores selling cds are taking a lot more money away from
mall stores than indies.

Btw, I wish indie store employees were as great as I hear them described
on the net.  I'm used to "knowledgeable" help considering me not cool
enough to notice, along with 95% of the other customers, while the mall
store guys are dumb as hell but at pleasant.

                                        jason

Jason & Jill Greshes                    |
Philadelphia, PA                        |
jgreshes@netaxs.com                     |
jgreshes@dfw.net

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 00:47:46 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: This is a mail list ad


Hello,

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seven-seas is just starting, so there may be a couple of bumps in the
software.  Oh well, please join us.

Discussion is not limited to the band--solo careers of members, spin-off
bands, and related bands are included.

To subscribe, e-mail to seven-seas-request@dfw.net.  In the body of your
message put:
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That's it--all info will be extracted from you mail header.

If you have any questions, please write to seven-seas-owner@dfw.net.

                                                thanks,
                                                jason


Jason & Jill Greshes                    |
Philadelphia, PA                        |
jgreshes@netaxs.com                     |
jgreshes@dfw.net

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 00:34:07 -0600
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@vmsa.csd.mu.edu)
Subject: Glee Club on Setanta/ the new Trademark of Quality/ Love Spreads


now that the Glee Club has been mentioned again, i recall some talk
about them, and their Setanta release, some time ago.  The album is
simply called " Glee Club ", and has 7 tracks, all of which appear on
Mine.  at first i was really disappointed, I thought I found something
with new tracks ( it was sealed, with the tracks only listed inside of
the nice brown digi-pack ).  but they are different versions, if
anyone cares.  are they better?  hmm, they are certainly different, I
believe the original producer is hardly used at all on 'Mine'.  so,
although I forgot, what was the story with this?  did they hate this
version, and decide to go to 4ad to make it sound better?  oh, before
i forget, its SET CDM9 ( Setanta also being the original home of the
wonderful Frank and Waletrs - what happened to them??? ). has 4ad
redone any other albums?  I mean, when you can find another version of
all the same songs but on another label, another producer, and all
that?


umm, if anyone wants to sell/trade for one of those Warner "Trademark
of Quality" promos that everyone is talking about, please contact me!
I love the other two, but i can't find this one, and i need to hear
St. Etienne cover an old Fall tune!  only love-uh will break your
heart-uh! ( that's my impression of M.E. Smith covering St. E.
covering Neil Young - sorry, I'll move on )


hmm, don't know if anyone cares too much about Stone Roses here, but
its not at all what I expected the new material would be like.  It
certtainly does have a bluesy, Zep feeling to it, but it works well,
and the second track is acoustic and pretty ( with backwards guitar in
it, also ).  The third track on this cd is just some kind of jammin'
out thing, pretty boring...wish they still had the 12"s in stock, so I
could hear the other new song ( not on this cd )!  Don't be afraid of
the Led Zeppelin remark, you'll still like it when he sings " the
messi-er is my sister'( messiah being pronounced strangely, to rhyme
with sister ).  I like it!  it made me happy to see it finally come
out - not groundbreaking, nothing *amazing*, but kind of neat and
different!


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:51:39 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: thanks


ebee/mail/postponed-mail/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

from the first few responses i got slowdive and suddenly tammy i guess
i'm okay. you can post replies to the list if you please.
mike

    :::mikebee@freenet.fsu.edu:::        --everybody's kung fu fighting--
    ///////Kicks more flava than Mister Rogers' got neighbors////////

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:56:45 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: WWW


        my school is a bit behind the times, and has yet to make Mosaic or
any other WWW application available for us students.  So I finally found a
backdoor way to get hooked up to web sites through another university.  Now,
all those http codes that i'd always ingored in postings are relevant.  So my
question is this: can someone post, or send me personally some kind of list
of cool, this-listy www sites?  I'd really appreciate it...
mgarrett@depauw.edu_____

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:16:23 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, David Mccallum wrote:

>         If Blockbuster Music is related to Blockbuster Video, don't buy
> from them because the company is very right wing.  Knowing what's best
> for you and your loved ones and all.  "American family values" and all
> that rot.
>         I know one shouldn't mix art and politics, but I always think about
> where my money goes.  My money (read time spent working) is one of my
> strongest voices.

  well then, since you are so anti-right wing, let me be the first to
  say: by from them. they are extremely right wing. and drink snapple.
  and listen to rush limbaugh. and praise the new senate and congress
  and so on...

  muahahaha..the evil truth is out. i am a republican. :)

  back to yer muzik stuff...

  dittoes, *k-j* ...yes, only the truly twee are republican..so i guess
            i'm fit to be hung by you lefties now, eh?...

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:40:04 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Kelli-Jeanne wrote:

>   muahahaha..the evil truth is out. i am a republican. :)
>
>   back to yer muzik stuff...
>
>   dittoes, *k-j* ...yes, only the truly twee are republican..so i guess
>             i'm fit to be hung by you lefties now, eh?...

There goes the neighborhood, eh? :) I'd stand up for you, but last time I
checked I was not a Republican but a "proto-fascist", so I'm afraid I'll
have to sit this one out.

As a rule, I just buy from anyone someone tells me not to buy from. Sort
of the 2 Live Crew school of censorship.

chain stores that allow their local franchises or whatever you'd call
them a lot more freedom re what they sell and play. This seems to be a
rising trend. Wherehouses are getting bigger import sections. The
Cymbaline near here stocks a bunch of import goth stuff I've never heard
of before. I'm not sure if I view this as a good thing or not; it's
probably just the rekkid store equivalent of big labels marketting
"""alternative""" music but it's kind of nice. You've all neglected to
mention that most small stores kind of suck, and the good ones are really
quite a find. (However, among my criteria is that they do not stock import
goth records.)

Just a musing since I've done none such today.

e


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:09:37 +0100
From: Laurent Lapierre (t3_0038@EFP.POZNAN.PL)
Subject: Re: v23 fonts /// depressing music


About the Vaughan Oliver fonts, and second the discussion about depressing music



1. My aim was not to "pirat" these fonts. Of course if it's copyrighted, so nobo
y want to
   post them, no problem. And be sure I'm very respectfull (?) of the work Vaugh
n has made,
   (and does today) for v23 and 4ad. But I've no idea about these font and the w
y they have been
   released, and I supposed that if any font is released, it's not any more for 
aughan a
   "strategic" work; I mean he has to expect a "share" of his work... But maybe 
his diffusion
   was very strict (in a magazine, no?)... I don't want to start a discussion ab
ut this
   subject (we could talk hours about bootlegs and copying...), cos this list ma
 no be the right place.

   Anyway, any INFORMATION about these font(s?) and the way they have been relea
ed should be
   appreciated.


2. ObThislisty: very nice, the discussion about depressing music... I agree with
vilexile and others
   about Matt Johnson [The The] _Burning Blue Soul_ (cf the .sig...) So any comm
nts,
   idea about the kind of music (feminal voice or not?, label...) of LAIKA, THE 
ORLD OF SKIN, IDAHO
   LICIA, LOW, CODEINE and ANATOMY OF A POET... I know nothing about these bands
but am
   quite interested in...

   Of course my opinion on the subject: The The_Burning blue Soul_, DCD _DCD_, H
IA _Home is
   your head_ [especially this song, and Man of the Sliver Mountain (the dirteat
rs ep)],
   TMC, Cocteau Twins _Garlands_, Cranes _Wings of Joy_... (nothing new at this 
oint), but
   don't forget

   Elijah's Mantle _Angels of Perversity_ [Mark Ellis and Prendan Perry],

  very dark, plasmodia of loud voices...


-----------------------------------------------------------------
Laurent Lapierre               Mobile radio communication student
                                             lapier_l@int-evry.fr
-----------------------------------------------------------------
' 'Imagine'... that you're happy now. It's easy if you try
 -because we're all cought in a mortifying loop - LIFE. '      Matt Jonhson


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 03:59:06 -0500
From: David B Hanna (dhanna@MAIL.SAS.UPENN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush interactive


Thanks to eveyone who responded to my Lush interactive request.  I
downloaded it from Marvyn's ftp site and it's very very nice, though it is
not all that exciting (not as good as REM, but then I guess Lush does not
turn in multi-platinum sales).  But it seems to crash my system everytime I
run it for some reason.  (By the way, I think the file at jhuvm is corrupt?
It wouldn't work properly when I downloaded it.)


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:57:20 +0100
From: Kristiaan Art (Kristiaan.Art@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: LUSH LUSH LUSH


On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, STARLITE BROCK EXT 4807 wrote:

> > On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, STARLITE BROCK EXT 4807 wrote:
> >
>
> > > I doubt that we will get another single.  The CD flopped in the US.
> Too bad... I really enjoyed previous releases...  sob...
>
> >
> >Well, gee, I wouldn't say FLOP, per say.  I mean, it wasn't as big as
> >the latest Eagles album, or the live Barbra Streisand CD, but I do
> >believe it went top ten in CMJ's alternative/college music charts...
> > *ramblerambleramble*
> >
> > Ivo
>
> Hey now... did you guys really think I was comparing it to the success of
> The Stones and Pearl Jam???  I was just comparing it to the other 2
> Lush cd's.  The CD just didn't seem to go places.
>
> 1  Clubs/Mtv hardly touched the first (and last) clip (Gala had three popular
>                                                               clips)
> 2  Very small US tour (Gala = large scale US tour + Lollapalooza)
> 3  Didn't chart very long at all (previous albums held #1 spot for many weeks)
> 4  No singles in the US from SPlit
>
> I was just pointing out that it didn't do much...  too bad.  The press release
> stated that Lollapalooza positioned them for stardom....  Maybe it was the
> bands fault?  They just didn't promote it at all (besides for a shameful
> Conan gig).  I hope they don't follow in Curve's steps and split up.

DO YOU REALLY THIMNK THEY"D SPLIT UP BECAUSE THEY DONT"S HAVE A LOT OF
SUCCES IN THE US?

kristiaan



>
> Starr
>

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:10:21 +0100
From: Peter Granstrvm (f94-pgr@NADA.KTH.SE)
Subject: Re: LUCH in TOKYO


> For LUSH collectors, Columbia Japan released mini album titled _Cookie_
> on the
> day. Most tracks are from singles "Desire Lines" and "Hypocrite". But the
> cover
> art is nice. (by v23)

Could anybody tell me what catalogue number that record has?

-Peter

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:18:00 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Th'Faith Healers & Too Pure


I wrote off to Too Pure asking about mail order, and they sent me back
a catalogue saying "write to this address for mail order details".  A
bit of postal recursion going on here, I think - I'll just send them a
cheque for what I think is a reasonable price for what I want, and keep
my fingers crossed.

Anyway, they also sent a load of details about what their bands (and
those on WIIIJA) are doing at the moment.  Most of it is old news, but
it confirms that Th' Faith Healers *have* split - after the March tour
of the USA with the Breeders and Jon Spencer Blues Explosion they told
Too Pure they had had enough.  Roxanne is going back to college, Joe is
recording for P J Harvey's new album (hooray!), Tom is demoing new
material, Ben is contemplating a new career as a tree surgeon.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:37:54 -0800
From: Brian Lyons (brianlyo@GODFATHER.CYBERQUEST.COM) subscribe.4AD-L brian.

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:57:36 -0500
From: Allwyn Crichlow (allwync@INTERNIC.NET)
Subject: Re: your mail

              2, 94 01:37:54 am

Can some one tell me how to signoff from this group.


allwync


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: technology, posters and more


yo gang

yesterday my msg (which i sent off on the 22 Nov) finally got
distributed to the list...SO MUCH FOR BLOODY TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!!

Ok apart from being the normal piss 'n vinegar letter i also include
some queries...can anyone out there help.

RE : 4AD SECOND POSTER SET (XAD 23): I have all the posters but am
missing the tube!!!!!

RE : 4AD THIRD POSTER SET  (FAD 23): I have the tube and half the
poster...i'm missing the following :-
tmc - blood
swallow - blow
h.berry - love
frank  black - s/t
belly - star

so....can anyone out there help me in completeing these sets...i have
money, i have some promos, i have two dogs....

 been wanting to post this ages ago.....so much for initiative!!!!

nite chilin
wattso

PS : everyone notice how things have returned to normal after HOTE
left????__________________________________________________
!                                                !
! All those moments will be lost                 !
!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
!                            Time...to die!      !
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!                                  ROY BATTY     !
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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 22:41:00 +0900
From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRASy1AbiEhMm06SBsoSg==?= (JCB00104@NIFTYSER E.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: LUCH in TOKYO


CATALOG #: COCY-78365 \2000

Masaya


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:03:56 MST
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music

              at Dec 1, 94 9:24 pm

>
>         If Blockbuster Music is related to Blockbuster Video, don't buy
> from them because the company is very right wing.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This is a big understatment and yes, they are the same corporation.

    One of their more wonderful corporate policies is the strict dress
code for Blockbuster (and Sound Whorehouse,  oops,  I mean Wherehouse)
Music employees. No earrings on men, no hair which reaches the collar and
a whole host of other such crap.
    That means of course that Blockbuster will sell CDs by Micheal Bolton
but they wouldn't hire him to work in their stores. Likewise for
Elton John, Robert Plant, ......
    The incredible hypocrisy of this policy has kept me totally away from
anything connected with BBuster.
--
Dave Gingerich
daveg@fred.den.mmc.com


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:43:43 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Blockbuster Music

              02 Dec 94 08:03:56 MST" <2edf391f2021002@zeus.cdc.com>

>    One of their more wonderful corporate policies is the strict dress
>code for Blockbuster (and Sound Whorehouse,  oops,  I mean Wherehouse)
>Music employees. No earrings on men, no hair which reaches the collar and
>a whole host of other such crap.
>    That means of course that Blockbuster will sell CDs by Micheal Bolton
>but they wouldn't hire him to work in their stores. Likewise for
>Elton John, Robert Plant, ......
>    The incredible hypocrisy of this policy has kept me totally away from
>anything connected with BBuster.

A DRESS CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Horror of horrors!  What *is* this country coming to?

I don't care where any of you buy your music.  I don't boycott anybody.
Politics should be discussed somewhere else.

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@catherine.cim.cdc.com
"Intel Inside, (Just Don't Divide)"
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:53:20 -0500
From: Deb (indigo@UNIVERSE.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: Re: AVAM cd Found



Umm... excuse me, but I believe the purpose of the post was to help people who
couldn't find the AVAM CD. It would be hard to compile a list of independent
record stores that would cover as the geographical area of a Best Buys, don't
you think? And you must also remember that not everyone has a great local
music store to rely on.


Wouldn't it be great if Best Buys finds that it could sell those indie
releases? I mean, if they don't sell any AVAM CDs and therefore stop carrying
them, isn't that a loss? What if they sell plenty of them and start a
separate section for imports, or local interest?


Have you been there at all? I found an import Sara McLachlan CD single that
was NOT at any of the indie music shops here, nor have I seen it in Goldmine.
I also found the new Blake Babies release from Mammoth, both versions of
Lisa Germano's HAPPINESS, and Lisa Germano's ...MOON PALACE. Heaven forbid
someone should actually purchase them at a non-pretentious retailer! Egads!

Look. I'm not saying "abandon your local music store." There are plenty of
reasons to support them. I spent $150 at Rainy Day Records in Atlanta
yesterday. But I'm saying that I think Best Buys deserves credit for carrying
an interesting selection at a good price, and I think it would be great if
they continue to stock those kinds of items. It might just pique the interest
of people who DON'T visit local shops, and I can tell you, once that
collector's bug hits, it won't be satisfied with a stop at Best Buys... :)

--
Deb/ indigo@universe.digex.net / Fri 12-02-1994, 10:05:54 am EST / Yarn 0.75

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:09:01 -0500
From: Steven W Schuldt (sschuldt@NEWYORK.BOZELL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


Kelli-Jeanne  wrote:
> i think people just don't care. it was being pushed in a market that's
>  looking past the guitar wash bands of the shoegazer set and warming
>  up to things such as nin & hole & :gag: veruca salt. indie and anger
>  and venom spewing and brattiness and that sort of brash style. lush
>  are just too sugary sweet nice. yeah..*we* know better, but the
>  public that they were being pushed on don't. they just don't care.
>  miki's not courtney love..and the masses want courtney love...
>
This is probably at least partially correct, however, Lush themselves are also
part of the problem.  I mean, the narcotic rush of the shoegazing halcyon days
is definitely gone at this point.  I can't listen to an old Chapterhouse record
without feeling like I'm eating a trashbag full of Snickers bars.  I think one
can definitely get ill over too much big, swirly, LUSH-sounding guitar music.

Oh god, I'll just say it - Lush are a great indie rock band that are becoming
just a little long in the tooth at this point - and pop bands do not wear well
with time.  I really can't blame anyone for opting for the fresh kick of a
Veruca Salt record over the watery sucrose and vinegar proferred on "Split",
although Lush are certainly the better band.  Great pop is about music, yes,
but it is also about novelty and fashion and sex and youth and a perception of
surfing the edge of the zeitgeist.  Lush had all of this in 1990 at the time of
the mighty "Mad Love" EP, but no more.

If it's any consolation, Kelli, someday Courtney Love will be an old fart too...
---
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Sr. Systems Administrator               |  "There are opportunities
Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. |  in life for gaining
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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:41:46 -0600
From: Randy Peppler (peppler@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


>
>On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Randy Peppler wrote:
>
>> >I doubt that we will get another single.  The CD flopped in the US.  Too
>> >bad... I really enjoyed previous releases...  sob...
>>
>> Well, the CD was certainly good, but it got absolutely no marketing push
>> or radio play from what I can tell...  I think this one was as good or
>> better than anything they've done, so I don't agree with you last
>> sentence...
>
>NO MARKETING PUSH?! There were Ads (many half-page) ones everywhere &
>"Hypocrite" got tons of airplay at the local (Chicago) cheesy (10 song
>playlist) alt. station for several weeks. Plus there was lots of press:
>CMJ, AP, Raygun,etc.

Those are some huge outlets for publicity, aren't they?  Split got *no*
airplay on a college station in Champaign, which is one of the few
alternative/modern rock stations I've been able to find on my travels.
So, if it got no airplay on a station like that (I heard Hypocrite twice),
I doubt that it got airplay in most other places.  Big cities like Chicago
are certainly anomalies when it comes to this sort of thing.  I saw a
third-page ad in Rolling Stone about Split, once...

Randy

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:07:00 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Misc bands and other things.


In message Wed, 30 Nov 1994 19:15:13 -0400,
  aLFRED dOUGLAS   writes:

> Greetings,
>
> I was just wondering if anyone could help me out. I was looking for any
> album review(s) for the following bands:
>
> 1. Danse Society
> 2. Southern Death Cult
> 3. Every New Dead Ghost
>

aLFRED, you may want to write to Arin Connell... He would probably know.
His address is AMC107@psu.edu
        -jOHN


> I have heard one or two songs by these old bands but I'm afraid to
> actually spend the money since these are import titles and if the disc(s)
> really suck then...well you know the rest. Any help would be appriciated!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> aLFRED dOUGLAS
>

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:08:26 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Misc bands and other things.


Ooops...

Make that:  AMC103@psu.edu

      NOT
            AMC107psu.edu

sorry about that
        -jOHN Boy

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:22:59 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Danse Society


> I was just wondering if anyone could help me out. I was looking for any
> album review(s) for the following bands:
>
> 1. Danse Society

The only album I know of from these guys is Heaven Is Waiting,
which, strictly speaking, is not so much an album as a collection
of most of the stuff they ever did (as far as I know).
The track "We're So Happy" on the gothic rock sampler is their
strongest song by a long shot and is not included on the Heaven
Is Waiting. The music is mostly electronic dance music with
a smattering of guitars and fairly typical goth-male vocals.
I like the cover of "2000 Light Years From Home", especially
since it seems to upset people who like the original Stones
version. Danse Society are one of those goth bands that for me
seem always on the edge of being almost really good, but keep
falling short. They can sometimes manage to build up some nice
atmosphere and tension, but then wander off into excessive
repetition of lyrics or theme. Some of the lyrics make me cringe.

If you would like to hear some of this stuff before buying get in
touch with me off the list.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:26:52 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Magnetic Fields


I just finished listening to Holiday, and I'm kicking
myself for missing out on their first album. The song
"Take Ecstasy With Me" is so compelling. Does anyone
know how to get hold of that elusive first album?
I have a few thing I would be willing to trade. Any
help at all would be appreciated.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just an ecstasy event"

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:25:00 PST
From: Timothy Edwards (ECZ5TAE@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Reply to Blockbuster Music


Hmmm... the Blockbuster Music store in Woodland Hills, CA (see "valley") has
a couple of long-haired gentlemen working there... hmmm....


------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------
> >    One of their more wonderful corporate policies is the strict dress
> >code for Blockbuster (and Sound Whorehouse,  oops,  I mean Wherehouse)
> >Music employees. No earrings on men, no hair which reaches the collar and
> >a whole host of other such crap.
> >    That means of course that Blockbuster will sell CDs by Micheal Bolton
> >but they wouldn't hire him to work in their stores. Likewise for
> >Elton John, Robert Plant, ......
> >    The incredible hypocrisy of this policy has kept me totally away from
> >anything connected with BBuster.


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:42:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: mass marketing


ivo writes:
>unlike "mainstream" music, non-"mainstream" artists like Lush, Dead Can
>Dance and Pale Saints are not mass-marketed the same way as "artists" like
>Pearl Jam, Salt -N- Pepa, and Cyndi Lauper, therefore there is no way to
>analyze the success of a non-"mainstream" band like Lush using
>"mainstream" terms such as single sales.

Come on; of course they're mass marketed in the exact same way. Ask the folks
at Warner Brothers. Now, I think what you're really arguing is that we indie
folks don't use the same metrics for success as the recording industry -- we
think of innovation and sound instead of number of units sold or airplay.

I mean, what makes Lush intrinsically and qualitatively less mainstream than
Pearl Jam? They're both rock and roll bands with major record deals. The fact
that one of them sells fewer albums, gets less attention, and is regarded by
the readership of this list as superior musically, is only a quantitative
difference...

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com
                                                      NewtonMail: Jens Alfke
The stars are so big, the earth is so small
                         ...stay as you are

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:32:02 -0800
From: "Peter C. Lee" (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUCH in TOKYO


> > For LUSH collectors, Columbia Japan released mini album titled _Cookie_
> > on the
> > day. Most tracks are from singles "Desire Lines" and "Hypocrite". But the
> > cover
> > art is nice. (by v23)
>
> Could anybody tell me what catalogue number that record has?
>
> -Peter
>
  Yeah, same here.  Any idea if it's available in the US?  thanks!
---pete

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:56:28 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: K*J the Fascist PIGGY


In message Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:16:23 -0800,
  Kelli-Jeanne   writes:

> well then, since you are so anti-right wing, let me be the first to
> say: by from them. they are extremely right wing. and drink snapple.
> and listen to rush limbaugh. and praise the new senate and congress
> and so on...
>
> muahahaha..the evil truth is out. i am a republican. :)

{first and foremost!  This is all IMHO.}

AHHHHHHH!!!!!  Not another one!  I HATE right wing-family values--go to
church and say yr prayers BASTARDS!!!  DIE DIE DIE!!!!

To quote Ian McKaye, "I will refuse!"

Anyways... it's not like i care, or anything.  You just suck.  Thats all.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah fucking blah.  Its not like the left is much
better.

> back to yer muzik stuff...

See?  Thats the way this kind of Right-wing disease is!  It just creeps up
on you, and before you know it, yr watching Rush at Blockbuster w/ a Snapple
in yr hand.  Poor Kelli Jeanne...  She never knew what hit her.  Her days of
being all cute and twee are over.  Look out for Kelli the Politician!

           -jOHN thinks christians suck...
                 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
                 where did this come from?


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:20:18 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


In message Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:09:01 -0500,
  Steven W Schuldt   writes:


> This is probably at least partially correct, however, Lush themselves are
> also part of the problem.  I mean, the narcotic rush of the shoegazing
> halcyon days is definitely gone at this point.

Well, that really _IS_ a matter of opinion.  I can't get enough...
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that it's *dead*.

> I can't listen to an old
> Chapterhouse record without feeling like I'm eating a trashbag full of
> Snickers bars.  I think one can definitely get ill over too much big,
> swirly, LUSH-sounding guitar music.

Not me.  I'll keep eating the sugar right out of the bag.
And as far as sex appeal goes, I still want Miki just as much as I always
have...  26-27 isn't "old".

            -jOHN is fearing K*J's evil flame (hehehe)

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:55:07 -0800
From: "Peter C. Lee" (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


>
> Well, that really _IS_ a matter of opinion.  I can't get enough...
> Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that it's *dead*.
>
> > I can't listen to an old
> > Chapterhouse record without feeling like I'm eating a trashbag full of
> > Snickers bars.  I think one can definitely get ill over too much big,
> > swirly, LUSH-sounding guitar music.
>
> Not me.  I'll keep eating the sugar right out of the bag.
> And as far as sex appeal goes, I still want Miki just as much as I always
> have...  26-27 isn't "old".
>
>             -jOHN is fearing K*J's evil flame (hehehe)
>
hey john,
        yup, same here.  lush is my favorite band and i can't get enough
of miki...her and her music.

-pete

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:33:04 -0600
From: Jason Lee Phillips (jasonlee@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: small vs. large stores

              <4AD-L%JHUVM.BITNET@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

At least my Best Buy doesn't seem to be that bad.  This summer they
were playing Mazzy *'s "Fade Into You" over their sound system.  That
same day I also found the hand numbered HNIA  album (of
2000).  In my (somewhat unhip) hometown of McAllen, TX, and in many
areas, they simply offer the best selection (i.e. better
than the only other choices, Musicland and Camelot) regardless of
price.

However, now that I am in Houston, I frequent Cactus Records, an
exceptional independent store.  My point being, sometimes Best Buy has
good music and they actually do promote good stuff (if you remember
Mazzy Star was not too popular last summer, before their video--I
doubt if any one in BFE McAllen TX had heard them before).  Small, ind
stores are great, but unless you are in Austin, Athens, Seattle, CA or
someplace much "better" than most of the US, then Best Buy's sometimes
eccentric collection is an asset.

 -Jason (I'm new to the list)
I hope I am not flamed for this too badly

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:50:00 -0500
From: Henrique Fernandes (henrique.fernandes@canrem.com)
Subject: infrequently lush


Here's my mailing address: Henrique Fernandes
                           132 Forest Hill Drive
                           Kitchener, Ont.
                           Canada
                           N2M 4G3

Could you please email me infrequently Lush.  Thanks.


... The last thing I saw was this Big Blue Wave!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:09:32 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Dave Gingerich wrote:

> >         If Blockbuster Music is related to Blockbuster Video, don't buy
> > from them because the company is very right wing.
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>     One of their more wonderful corporate policies is the strict dress
> code for Blockbuster (and Sound Whorehouse,  oops,  I mean Wherehouse)
> Music employees. No earrings on men, no hair which reaches the collar and
> a whole host of other such crap.

By what standard do you read this as a right wing policy, or derive any
political meaning from it whatsoever? Did someone somewhere tell you,
"Blockbuster requires a strict dress code because the stockholders think
dress and hair styles made popular by such left-wing artists as Michael
Bolton are immoral and wrong."? You seem quick to read hypocrisy into the
fact that the corporation clearly has no disdain for long-haired artists
and customers. They are hypocrites for not sticking by politics which
they never claimed to embrace in the first place but which you have
attached to them. Nah, I don't think so. Just good business when some of
your customers, myself included, don't want to be subjected to whatever
fashion statement the brat behind the counter feels a need to scandalise
prudish right-wingers with on any given day. You would rather the
employees decide for the owners what their stores will be like?


 einexile

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:40:15 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???


Alright, this is the last straw. I know some of you will totally disagree
with what I have to say so don't take this as a shot at your tastes, but I
think some will agree with me that Seefeel have started releasing rotten
music. I have finally acquired the three songs the band has put out since
Starethrough, and I am flabergasted at how uninspired and boring they
are. Here was a band I really thought was visionary, making interesting,
well developed music with an original sound and what to me was a
shockingly and satisfyingly dark agenda. Now things seem to have fallen
apart. Now and then I listen to the songs and tell myself, "You're out of
line, einexile. They're just breaking new minimalist ground and you don't
like it because it's not pretty and dubby and groovy and Aphexy," but for
God's sake, is it just me or is there NOTHING in these songs I haven't
heard before? And out of these familiar ambient staples, very little is
made. I understand that a few people really get off on this stuff and
don't really care to discuss the merits of the songs but will someone
please tell me what the hell happened to this once wonderful band to
prompt this evident new...uh, philosophy, I guess. Musical philosophy.
Heh. (Isn't that what always brings them down?)

 einexile

ps - sorry to those getting two copies of this post


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:31:48 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly (Popolv@AOL.COM)
Subject: Projekt goes UPC


Well Projekt didn't really go all UPC; the UPC code is just on the new Love
Spirals CD.  In fact, the Human Drama CD which came out just after LSD's has
no UPC code.

I laugh whenever I hear someone, especially an artist, who protests this kind
of thing as 'selling out' or going 'corporate'.  Yeah, if you think starving
and not being able to pay the rent is cool and very uncorporate, so be it!  I
find nothing wrong with the fact that an artist, just as every other person,
needs to make some money in order to live.

Anyways, I really don't see how UPC codes are 'selling out' or whatever.
 There's many labels much smaller than Projekt that have UPC codes (in fact
many people who self release their own CD's use them).  It's just a fact of
life today.  The beloved 4Ad uses them on all their releases nowdays.  It
does help distributors out tremendously as far as getting new CD's into their
systems and speeds up the amount of time to order, reorder, and such.  Sure,
they are a bit of an eyesore, but and indusrty standard nowdays nonetheless.

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:48:53 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???


> I have finally acquired the three songs the band has put out since
> Starethrough, and I am flabergasted at how uninspired and boring they
> are. Here was a band I really thought was visionary, making interesting,

Could you specify what the three songs are? I just got Fracture/Tied,
but that's only two. I've only listened to them once, so I don't
have a strong opinion yet, but they didn't stick in my mind
like Plainsong or Climactic Phase #3. So maybe I will agree that
they are going downhill.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 20:52:34 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


Kelli-Jeanne  writes:

>   dittoes, *k-j* ...yes, only the truly twee are republican..so i guess
>             i'm fit to be hung by you lefties now, eh?...

No, you have probably been twisted horribly in your childhood, so you
can't be responsible for your actions today. It's all society's
fault. :-) Besides, capital punishment is kinda icky.

Are we doing one of those political polls? I'm a communist.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:56:45 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???


Have to agree with the old e here. Never "got" Seefeel myself. I mean,
perhaps their songs would interest me more if they were 4-5 minutes
instead of 9-10.

Martin

"I'm alone on the moon!" --Bugs Bunny

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:12:15 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


>   dittoes, *k-j* ...yes, only the truly twee are republican..so i guess
>             i'm fit to be hung by you lefties now, eh?...

Well, kinda related - but not too  much - to music.
I run a Japanese animation club and what not... so I watch a lot of the
junk, and the Blockbusters I've seen started carrying big selections of
subbed/dubbed anime on tape recently (last couple of years) - but they
all have the lil' '18 an' older' sticker on them - *all*.  This means
young america can't rent pleasant drama stories, touching romantic
comedies. . . intellectual, thoughtful films like hotaru no haka...
even some of the anime kids shows were 18+...

And so far as indie/corporate stores go. . . When I was working at my
indie store a year or so ago, the owner's son was looking for 'cookie
puss' on disc - the orig. ...relativity (?) release or something like
that.  He couldn't get it through our store, so he called a few others.
He got on the line with one of the bigger chains in the ares (I won't say
who... they've moved since anyway) and said do you have this, they said
yes.  He said - what label is it on; the person on the other end responded..
'uhh, it's RAP'

Uhh... hmm...

Well, at least the people at *my* store were educated.  And I've had
better experiences with indie stores than with big chains in general; and
the best experiences with mail-order outlets.

'Lefties' huh?  Howz about apolitical? :)

My wet ear slides to your mouth, *k-j*.

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                               "Oink, oink."

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:34:42 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: CD help...


On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Gil Gershman wrote:

> and you would be willing to offer assistance in finding:

> SWALLOW - hush

Dave at EAR/Rational has this or can get it. Send an e-mail with CATALOG in
the subject line to ear-rational@xmission.com

The catalog is uudecoded and zipped.

> script of the bridge, what does anything mean

Hmmm....
Lakeshore Record Exchange
905 Monroe Avenue
Rochester, New York 14620

Has most of them....write them for a catalog....

-julian-

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:48:13 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: K*J the Fascist PIGGY


On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, jOHN yOCHIM wrote:

> AHHHHHHH!!!!!  Not another one!  I HATE right wing-family values--go to
> church and say yr prayers BASTARDS!!!  DIE DIE DIE!!!!

  my entire family is republican, and only 10% go to church, so :phbbfftt!:

> Anyways... it's not like i care, or anything.  You just suck.  Thats all.

  well, i could have told you that i suck. not like it's big news or
  anything...i'm sure everyone knows that by now....

> See?  Thats the way this kind of Right-wing disease is!  It just creeps up
> on you, and before you know it, yr watching Rush at Blockbuster w/ a Snapple
> in yr hand.  Poor Kelli Jeanne...  She never knew what hit her.  Her days of
> being all cute and twee are over.  Look out for Kelli the Politician!

  puh. i didn't even vote. republicans aren't the anti-christ...

>            -jOHN thinks christians suck...

  so i guess hnia is not your cup of tea anymore? :(

  *k* ...heartbroken.

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:56:12 MST
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music

              2, 94 11:09 am

einexile wrote [some text omitted]:

> You would rather the
> employees decide for the owners what their stores will be like?

      No, I would not.  I just don't think that the length of a person's
hair or whether they choose to decorate their earlobes has anything to
do with job performance. The qualities I would look for in a retail sales
employee do not include such arcane aspects as short hair for men and
long "feminine" hair for women.
      From the pictures I remember from Sunday school class and my bible,
it doesn't look like Christ would be hired by Blockbuster. Of course, one
could ask what would He need money for?
--
Dave Gingerich
daveg@fred.den.mmc.com


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:48:00 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: hover cd release


Two days after saying that it might be available by Christmas
I have to tell you that, no it is almost certain to be the second
week in January before any Hover CDs are sent anywhere. But we
are still taking orders as stated before: $10 before Dec 25
and $11.50 after. Plus CA sales tax.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 |  you can't chop down symmetry
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     |
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:05:48 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: A question about Projekt


Jeffery,

Yes, Soul Whirling Somewhere are an incrediable incarnation. I am in touch with
Michael Plaster on occasion an he is a really nice personality which helps his
bands P.R. Other bands that are on projekt that you would enjoy would probably
be STOA, beautiful melodic stuff (female vocal). Black Tape for a Blue Girl may
be a good choice also. I do RECOMMEND the box set. Even if you hate BTfaBG, you
will love this set because the covers sound nothing like Black Tape. There is a
band that is on the discs but has never released anything as to my knowledge,
they are called STAY FRIGHTENED. WOUNDERFUL stuff the price alone is worth it
for these two tracks.

PROJEKT RULES, (even if they have sold out and put upc shit on they dics)

ALFRED DOUGLAS.

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:00:20 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: How many Trademarks?


I've got 3 trademark of quality cds... how many are there total?  1992,
1993, 1994. . . anything before '92?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                               "Oink, oink."
                            "sweeter than soon"

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:26:33 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: mass marketing


>
> I mean, what makes Lush intrinsically and qualitatively less mainstream than
> Pearl Jam? They're both rock and roll bands with major record deals. The fact
> that one of them sells fewer albums, gets less attention, and is regarded by
> the readership of this list as superior musically, is only a quantitative
> difference...
>

Exactly;  which is why I used mainstream in quotes.

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:27:49 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


Reasons Blockbuster sucks:

1) Wayne decides what you can buy, not you.  Ok, I can accept not
carrying pornos, but try renting Last Temptation of Christ.

2) Wayne wants his clerks to look like Disney ticket-takers.  Again, not
that big a prob, except who works at record stores?  Musicians.  Know
many musicians that look like Mousketeers?  Also, Wayne didn't say look
presentable, he said look like a little cookie cutter.

3) Wayne is expensive.  Sound Warehouse used to be cheap.  New releases
were discounted, videos were cheap (98 cents - $1.50).  Wayne buys them
and jacks up the prices.

4) This all wouldn't be so annoying, except for the way Blockbuster
works.  If Blockbuster was just another obnoxious, anal-retentive
corporate asshole, fine, take your shopping elsewhere.  That doesn't work
quite so well with Blockbuster, because every time you take your
shoppping elsewhere, the little shitbag follows you.  Example:  in a
three block stretch of University Drive near my house in Ft Lauderdale we
had Major Video, Video X-Tron, and Sound Warehouse.  My family rented
from Major Video.  One day we go to Major Video and the blockbuster signs
are up.  No more Major Video--bought out.  So we take our business
elsewhere--Video X-Tron.  Hey, great.  3 for 2 videos, big selection,
great.  Wayne buys Video X-Tron.  Damn.  Take our business elsewhere, to
Sound Warehouse.  Not a huge selection, but cheap.  A year later, Wayne
buys Sound Warehouse.  On to Powerhouse video, then moved so maybe
Blockbuster has bought that too.  Point is that I can handle a shitbag
company that wins by competing.  If you offer lower prices and better
service, then great.  The problem with Blockbuster is that every time
someone does compete with them, they just buy the competition.  Very,
very, very annoying.

Final reason to hate Blockbuster--they are willing to throw their muscle
around.  Example...the Babs Striesand video.  Blockbuster decides that
since it has such a large market share now, it should get a special
edition only Blockbuster can sell, with an extra track on it.  Guess how
many people are going to buy from someone other than Blockbuster?

And, with Blockbuster having such a large market share, how long before
Blockbuster gets more input into what you buy, before it ever reaches the
shelves.

Blockbuster is evil.  I'll take ten Best Buys before those bastards.



Jason & Jill Greshes                    |
Philadelphia, PA                        |
jgreshes@netaxs.com                     |
jgreshes@dfw.net


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:32:42 -0500
From: Suzperry@AOL.COM
Subject: LSD on upc codes


Excuse the cliche, but it is hard to please everyone, in fact it's
impossible.  Faced with this we weigh our options and make a decision.  We
honestly struggled with the idea of placing a upc code on Ardor while also
struggling with the fact that many people complain that Projekt releases
cannot be found.  We simply felt that the possibility of our music reaching
more people who wanted to hear it was more important than avoiding a upc.  We
decided that if the upc did not significantly facilitate distribution during
the first pressing of Ardor, we would gladly do away with it.

I agree with you-upc codes are not the most prepossessing addition to the
digital age that both you and I can't help but find ourselves in.  They are
ugly.  Yet still, let's all be thankful that we think about these things and
speak up about them.  Right on einexile!

Suzanne from Love Spirals.
p.s.  I've never heard 'raspberries".

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:22:10 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Jason Greshes and her wrote:

> Blockbuster is evil.  I'll take ten Best Buys before those bastards.
>
>
Rah Rah Rah. Let's torch the places. I've got a couple of other reasons
to hate em.

1) Hypocrisy out the wazoo. BB won't rent anything NC-17 or with a hint
of sexually explicit content, as it doesn't fit their definition of a
"family oriented" video store. Yet they're delighted to rent rows and
rows of exploitive splatter movies. Remember, murder is a family value;
making love is obscene.

2) They DON'T QUIT! The last time I was in one of those sterile hellholes
I couldn't believe what was going on on the monitors. Were they showing a
film, like virtually every other video store on Earth. No. There was a
constant tape loop playing Blockbuster ads! And I thought, why the hell
are they running these? We're ALREADY _IN_ the store! Accck.

Finally, I have to echo agreement over the too-much-power thing. Jesus H.
Jones, they're a VIDEO STORE! How does a VIDEO STORE become so huge and
powerful they can dictate how Hollywood makes movies? Their refusal to
stock Last Temptation of Christ, then Henry & June, then whatever else
rubs them the worng way, has neutered Hollywood so thoroughly that NO
major studio will now back a really visionary director who's not willing
to turn in something that is, ultimately, safe.

Cut your card up. I did. Rent from the mom-n-pops. They need the money
more anyway.

Martin (feeling much better),

"That's it...pronoun trouble!" --Daffy Duck

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:35:13 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: A question about Projekt


> PROJEKT RULES, (even if they have sold out and put upc shit on they dics)


  just for the record: UPCs don't mean selling out, and even if they
  did...who cares anyway. everyday, there's a new item to add to the
  Telltale Signs Of A Sellout list. the only real problem with UPCs
  is that they are big and ugly. and that's it.


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 18:24:02 -0500
From: Ned Anderson (DavidC1349@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush interactive


Gotcha


Ned
Publisher, "Infrequently Lush"

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:29:32 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt goes UPC


On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Melvin Snerdly wrote:

> I laugh whenever I hear someone, especially an artist, who protests this kind
> of thing as 'selling out' or going 'corporate'.  Yeah, if you think starving
> and not being able to pay the rent is cool and very uncorporate, so be it!  I
> find nothing wrong with the fact that an artist, just as every other person,
> needs to make some money in order to live.

An artist has no business compromising the integrity of his form in order
to make a buck. No one asked him to become an artist, and there are a lot
of us who do just fine in the process of making no money at all in the
process of selling music to the public. If you choose to enter into the
art world, you have an obligation not to make of it a laughing stock. But
don't characterise my anger at Projekt as a condemnation of their wanting
to sell records and make money. If anyone here is all in favor of a good
band making a fortune (and spending every dime of it on themselves) it it
me, and I don't consider this UPC thing to be a heinous crime against
humanity; I just think it could have been carried out with class where
instead it conforms to an uncoerced industry standard ot defacing the
actual artwork. That's what pisses me off. It's not the presence of the
UPC per se.

Anyway, we still have Kranky. Hang in there Kranky!


 einexile

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:31:36 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to Seefeel???


On Fri, 2 Dec 1994 thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM wrote:

> Could you specify what the three songs are?

Oops. The other song is "Lief" from Ambient 4: Isolationism (a Virgin
comp, earlier installments of which were called A Brief History of
Ambient Vol. [whatever]).


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:11:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: for BisonBoy


Sorry for sending it to the whole list...

Another cool mailorder place to find the things you want is
Vinyl Ink  .The address is in the 4AD-L FAQ.
I am surprised you did not find some of them at Parasol-check again.
And,finally,besides latest complains on the list, 1-800-CDLASER has an extensive
catalog of cool stuff at little above min prices.Call them to ask or for a
catalog.BTW,i've been having some delays with them recently,mainly because
out-of-stock problems.  They were quite nice ,though.
Salute.       Boroda

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:08:58 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Music


YAH!  Torch the place!  Burn Blockbuster!  :)

Yeah, and did you notice that now the bastards have tapes marked "Two
evening rental"--in other words, one night. How many people have been
sucked in with a late charge b/c of this?  The dirty stinkers.

                                        jason

ps.  Just make sure the mom-and-pop doesn't get too competitive, or
Blockbuster will buy them.

Jason & Jill Greshes                    |
Philadelphia, PA                        |
jgreshes@netaxs.com                     |
jgreshes@dfw.net


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 20:13:44 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: What on Earth happened to...


Fracture/Tied is a strange thing. I thought it was the biggest waste of cash
upon first hearing. Not much better on the 2nd and 3rd. I listened to it
again a few times. I was sweating. I was reeling. I collapsed in thralls of
bliss. It's as good as Quique and Polyfusia, if not better - more in keeping
with what Mark(?) was saying in the AP interview about how Quique seemed
"tame" compared to what they wanted to do. Invest the time in the single and
I'm pretty sure you will come to enjoy it with their best. Anyone know
anything about "Starethrough" - I haven't picked it up yet and would like to
hear some impressions.

Always welcoming mail (hint, hint)
BisonBoy@AOL.com

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 20:34:55 -0500
From: Ned Anderson (DavidC1349@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: AVAM cd Found


Local stores are great for shirts, posters, special orders and underground
stuff, but let's face it- I'd sure as hell rather pay $9 instead of $14 for a
CD. I found a ton of nine inch nails singles from Pretty Hate Machine that I
had been looking for at Best Buy for $4 each! (No, I'm not a follower of NIN
who thinks that "Closer" is the name of their one and only album and single,
I've followed them ((him?)) avidly since '88, but I won't dish out $50 for a
fucking concert ticket) The singles I've seen at my local store, Apple Tree,
charges upwards of $8 for singles.

I love my Apple Tree, but I buy my albums at Best Buy.

Ned


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:50:22 -0600
From: Sanz (bighat@RIPCO.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


HI Steven

On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Steven W Schuldt wrote:

Lush themselves are also part of the problem.  I mean, the narcotic rush
of the shoegazing halcyon days is definitely gone at this point.  I can't
listen to an old Chapterhouse record without feeling like I'm eating a
trashbag full of Snickers bars. I think one can definitely get ill over
too much big, swirly, LUSH-sounding guitar music.

Oh god, I'll just say it - Lush are a great indie rock band that are
becoming just a little long in the tooth at this point - and pop bands do
not wear well with time.  I really can't blame anyone for opting for the
fresh kick of a Veruca Salt record over the watery sucrose and vinegar
proferred on "Split", although Lush are certainly the better band.
Great pop is about music, yes, but it is also about novelty and fashion
and sex and youth and a perception of surfing the edge of the
zeitgeist.  Lush had all of this in 1990 at the time of the mighty "Mad
Love" EP, but no more.
*************************************************

AARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just had to say that I couldn't
disagree with you more. I think that this MTV attitude of total adoration
of the new & the young & the trendy over substance & talent is revolting.
IMHO great pop music should be about MUSIC. PERIOD. FULL STOP. It
certainly doesn't matter to me what the artists looks like or how blasted
old they are, or if their sound is hip. If their music is good (by my own
personal standards) that's all that matters.

I can't believe I'm even reading stuff like this on tha 4AD list. I've
always seen 4AD as a label whose bands release quality music regardless
of the fashion of the day & that's one of the main reasons why I've
respected it.

> If it's any consolation, Kelli, someday Courtney Love will be an old fart
> too...

I'd be surprised if she isn't already at least as old as the women in
LUSH, but again what does that really have to do with music?

Have fun with Green Day,
Sanz
BTW this isn't a anti-Veruca Salt rant, I kinda like them even if they
are awfully similar to the Breeders.

****************
Sanz Lashley SHE-dreampop straight up w/ a noisy chaser!
      snail: 5602 N. Ridge, Chicago, IL 60660

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 18:26:00 PST
From: Timothy Edwards (ECZ5TAE@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


Courtney Love (not that it matters) is older than Miki or Emma. I agree w/
the sentiment that MTV dictates tastes and trends too much. Great music should
be heard as just that, not as being hip or not. Robert Fripp worked with Darryl
Hall for God's sake because he liked the way he sings. He didn't care (and
still doesn't) that Hall and Oates are publicly viewed as ths Siegfried and Roy
of rock (I like that, I came up w/ it :>...). With that I am now going to play
my Billy Corgan 7" vinyl 45 now 'cause, well, he's cool and vinyl 45s are in.

> Subject:      Re: Lush Lush Lush
> To:           Multiple recipients of list 4AD-L <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>
> *************************************************
> AARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just had to say that I couldn't
> disagree with you more. I think that this MTV attitude of total adoration
> of the new & the young & the trendy over substance & talent is revolting.
> IMHO great pop music should be about MUSIC. PERIOD. FULL STOP. It
> certainly doesn't matter to me what the artists looks like or how blasted
> old they are, or if their sound is hip. If their music is good (by my own
> personal standards) that's all that matters.
> I can't believe I'm even reading stuff like this on tha 4AD list. I've
> always seen 4AD as a label whose bands release quality music regardless
> of the fashion of the day & that's one of the main reasons why I've
> respected it.
>
> > If it's any consolation, Kelli, someday Courtney Love will be an old fart
> > too...
>
> I'd be surprised if she isn't already at least as old as the women in
> LUSH, but again what does that really have to do with music?
>
> Have fun with Green Day,
> Sanz
> ****************
> Sanz Lashley SHE-dreampop straight up w/ a noisy chaser!
>       snail: 5602 N. Ridge, Chicago, IL 60660

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:27:40 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Magnetic Fields

              "thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM" at Dec 2, 94 11:26:52 am

> I just finished listening to Holiday, and I'm kicking
> myself for missing out on their first album. The song
> "Take Ecstasy With Me" is so compelling. Does anyone
> know how to get hold of that elusive first album?

Which first album do you mean? Their history is pretty random and erratic. But
if you're looking for work that Susan Anway sings on, you'll be happy to hear
that Merge records is re-releasing The Wayward Bus and Distant Plastic Trees
in January. I know I'm happy about that, since as good as the songs are,
Stephin Merritt's delivery just loses something.

There's also an album that came out the same time as "Holiday" called "The
Charm of the Highway strip"

He also has a side project called the 6ths which is basically his songs with
guest vocalists - the single on Merge featured Amelia Fletcher of Heavenly and
Robert Scott of the Bats, I think? And there's a full-length coming out in a
few months on (the major!) London with vocals by such "luminaries" as Lou
Barlow, Barbara Manning, Stuart Moxham, Dean Wareham, Mark Robinson and Mary
Timony of Helium.


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