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Subject: throwing muses-hunkpapa
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:37:00 -0500
From: Alice Palumbo (apaumbo@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA)
Subject: Breathless info and other irrelevancies
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:19:44 -0500
From: Mollie Johnstone (maj3@POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Blue light special on DCD in aisle 4"
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:52:02 -0500
From: David B Hanna (dhanna@MAIL.SAS.UPENN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Selling Out/your music taste
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:12:41 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: blue light madonna special
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 00:39:27 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: cocteau lyrics & eden/soma/dcd connection &LSD
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 04:14:13 -0500
From: Ryan L (RyanSpiral@AOL.COM)
Subject: trademark of quality, Lisa Germano, mai pen rai
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:30:49 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:46:26 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:48:21 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Japanese Cocteau Twins lyrics in PRINT?
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:47:30 -0500
From: "Jen Greene, (70004.3771@compuserve.com)" (Oxmox@AOL.COM)
Subject: Maids of Gravity
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:08:05 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:37:36 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Throwing Muses: University
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:18:08 +0000
From: Huite Rietveld (cheiron@NETLAND.NL)
Subject: Thw Wolfgang Press: Funky Little Demons
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:18:31 +0000
From: Huite Rietveld (cheiron@NETLAND.NL)
Subject: Song lyrics...
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:32:11 -0600
From: Brian M Miller (mubmm2@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Blah-Humbug... (was) Re: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:41:05 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Selling out and related punk crap
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:43:00 PST
From: Timothy Edwards (ECZ5TAE@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Blah-Humbug... (was) Re: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:55:39 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Lyrics...
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:31:47 -0800
From: scarab or serephim (scarab@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: rare vinyl for sale
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:33:14 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 / Vaughan Oliver Fonts needed
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:52:01 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: trademark of quality, Lisa Germano, mai pen rai
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:20:38 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Belly Question...
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:28:08 -0800
From: scarab or serephim (scarab@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Reply to Blah-Humbug... (was) Re: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:30:14 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 23:44:24 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: Re: Belly Question...
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 15:10:35 -0600
From: Sanz (bighat@RIPCO.COM)
Subject: roast beef? HNIA on aVAM
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:49:39 -0700
From: "sadly however, not a trace of the bat was found" (NMARSHALL%
Subject: Re AVAM and Earwig
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:10:56 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Re: Thw Wolfgang Press: Funky Little Demons
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:23:05 EST
From: Matt Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance lyrics
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:21:44 EST
From: Matt Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:47:03 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: COCTEAU TWINS VIDEO / ONLY HAVE 2
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:46:00 0000
From: "CUSTOMER SATISFACTION IS MY JOB." (AFABER@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HA
Subject: taking a quick sidestep from CT & DCD
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 04:53:06 -0500
From: Lee Graham Bridges (s989790@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU)

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:37:00 -0500
From: Alice Palumbo (apaumbo@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA)
Subject: throwing muses-hunkpapa


 As far as I can tell, the cover of Hunkpapa is a symbol from the Southwest
+ called a Zia (from Zia Pueblo, I think). Flag watchers of North America will
+ recogonize the symbol, or something like it, from the state flag of New
+ Mexico. The Zia represents the four winds, the four directions, and I'm not
+ sure about the rest (my driver's license is from New Mexico, but I live in
+ Canada and originally from New Jersey, so go figure). Anyway, the thing on
+ the cover (sans lizard thingy) is a Zia.  I think.   Disregard the gibberish
+ at the end of the line, I'm on someone els'es computer.
  People on alt.music.alternative have been writing about the Muses' University-
+ -where in god's name have they obtained copies?  Just wondering.

 Alice Palulmbo
ip
lnefr sclbomo


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:19:44 -0500
From: Mollie Johnstone (maj3@POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU)
Subject: Breathless info and other irrelevancies


> Could anyone take a few minutes and send me a discog of subject
>line bands?
(snip).

Wow, I'm excited.  Another person who likes (I'd even settle for 'heard
of') Breathless!!!  Any Lowlife fans out there?  :-) Sorry, I've been
lurking for some time and am finally getting around to posting something
here.  Apologies if I'm blatantly neophytic. BTW, I hope this is timely,
I've been out of touch for a week and some.

I'm a huge fan of Breathless, and though they're probably not thislisty I
suppose we can make a concession or two for Dominic Appleton.  After all,
he did do those TMC albums....and Will Heggie from Lowlife is an ex-Cocteau
Twin (at least, by association).

But I digress.  I suppose you probably know about Breathless' recent stuff
(Between Happiness and Heartache--incidentally, a really good album-- and
some compilation thing put out recently,  called Heartburst, I think).  I
don't know offhand what else they have added to the platter recently but
I'd be interested to know, if anyone has any info. As far as other older
stuff, I don't know how far you've gone back.  Chasing Promises (1988?) was
one of my big favorites and shouldn't be too hard to get if you have a good
shop or supplier nearby.  If you can find it (good luck, I think it's one
of those early/limited production/highly coveted things), The Glass Bead
Game is really good as well, but some of the better (IMO) songs from this
are on the new compilation.  Three Times and Waving is available only on
vinyl as far as I know, but I've seen new (unowned) copies of it within the
last year or so. If you're interested I'll send you the address for Tenor
Vossa records (sacreligious, I'm sure, to say such a thing in this group).

By the way, Hearts of Space is one of my favorites, I've been listening for
years--except for when I've lived in areas that don't receive stations
carrying it! :-) If anyone has any other news about it (incl. a newsgroup,
address or other good stuff) could you please mail it to me (so as not to
waste any more space here....)?

Hey, while I'm on a wibble here, I noticed today that NPR was using a DCD
tune between features (don't know the exact title, but it's "Fortune
presents gifts not according to the book...etc)  Oh, and last year, I woul
have sworn that I heard the bell tower here playing one of the DCD
instrumentals (you'll have to forgive me, but I don't know which one, only
that it sounds like an Irish jig.) I stopped dead in my tracks in the
middle of the quad and listened (kind of like the RCA/Victor dog, only
better).

Sorry for wasting so much bandwidth. I was enjoying my first posting immensely.

Cheers,

Mollie

P.S.  Any impressions of Bryan Ferry's "Momouna"?

"The myth of the false reality is plainly untrue."
                        --unknown


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:52:02 -0500
From: David B Hanna (dhanna@MAIL.SAS.UPENN.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Blue light special on DCD in aisle 4"


>I understand the frustration of seeing someone pick up a Madonna,
>Salt-n-pepa, and "Toward the Within" only because they all happen to be out
>on the counter. (I witnessed this, this week.)  You want to say "You're not

Ooooo... you'd better watch what you say, buddy...  I know of a few
4ad-lers who also happen to be Madonna fans... though they probably won't
admit to it :)

Dave, who happens to be one of those aforementioned people :)

if anyone's interested I can pick up a few and mail one to you... and it
will have a Philadelphia postmark... whatta deal, huh.

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Selling Out/your music taste


Jan Hanford wrote:
>
>Although this was meant to be a criticism of Liz Fraser and Ronnie Moorings,
>I am appalled that people actually think beating the #%@& out of eachother
>is amusing in the 1990's.  And some people actually do it!?!  When will the
>world change?  (I think I'm the only person on the planet who likes the
>lastest Xymox by the way).

Apologies Jan, I in no way endorsed violence-from some of the stuff
i've been through i'm dead set against it.  I also did not mean to
defame Liz and Ronny, that part of the post was just meant to be a
humouress criticism of violence.  Also, I agree with Richard Singer's
later post.
    Concerning what music people listen to.  I have to admit that it
pisses me off a bit when i see people buying total crap and the music
I listen to.  However i'm probably being very selfish trying to be
one of a few elitist and not wanting others to-be-into-what-i'm-into.
My music tastes are very varied and i think i'll be quite pissed
off if i had to buy for example a Fields of the Nephilim CD and a
classical CD and some nose-in-the-air tells me to put back the
classical CD until i educate myself.  I work part time as a waiter to
supplement my studies and one of the things i was taught was never to
frown or put my nose in the air when someone orders something funny.
If they want to drink cognac and cola, it's what works for them and
makes them feel good.  I think the same should apply to music. There
are also exceptions to this; show-off's.  All i usually do is curse
under my breath.  Another example i always think to is Paul
McCartney's (Beatles) response to Rap music.  He admitted to not
liking it (like most of us), but said that people should not try and
stamp it out as it works for a lot of people and its makes many happy.
I read in the local Sunday papers that one of our local rap groups are
doing pretty well in the UK at the moment.  Now these guys used to go
to the township schools and public places and carried over anti-
violence, -drug, -gang etc messages and are really popular. Now where
would these blokes be if they had to go out and buy expensive musical
equipment and teach themselves how to make "proper music". (i don't
think the latter three sentences were relevant to the thread, but it
was something i had to add-silly boy).
As the saying goes: beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  Anyway, enough boredom from my fingers,
      Neil

Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:12:41 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....


[Kelli-Jeanne]

>   moving onward, anyone who has read this far and who is all knowing in
>   the 4ad catalogue is now called upon to help me make a decision. i'll
>   be ordering from 4ad soon, and was wondering which mystere de voix
>   bulgares disc is better..one or two? i was going to go with the first one,
>   but i'm not too sure...

It might just be that the first one was the first I heard, but I'd
definitely say that Vol. 1 made a much bigger impression than Vol. 2.

Anyways, if you buy Vol. 2 you won't get "Polegnala et Todara", which
is a totally fab twee song.

>   * k-j * ...if 4ad had a god figure, it wouldn't be lisa gerrard...

No, that's Warren Defever, isn't it? After all, he went to school with
everybody else at 4AD, which means that he's omnipresent. Ergo cogita
sum. Jacta est alea. Faketey fakety latin.
--
Mr. Matthew McClintock recently received three identical mail
solicitations and took them to a favourite coffee shop to read while
dining. There he opened them all one by one, rigorously and
methodically scrutinizing each of their contents.


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 00:39:27 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: blue light madonna special


> Ooooo... you'd better watch what you say, buddy...  I know of a few
> 4ad-lers who also happen to be Madonna fans... though they probably won't
> admit to it :)

  puh..i'll admit it. been a fan since '83...


  * k-j * ...who started this end of note sentence writing anyway?...

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 04:14:13 -0500
From: Ryan L (RyanSpiral@AOL.COM)
Subject: cocteau lyrics & eden/soma/dcd connection &LSD


Regarding Tony Jacobsen's question about whether the cocteaus make up
nonesense lyrics for their Japanese releases.  I don't think that lyrics are
required by law in Japan as you asked, but i do know that the Japanese really
have this thing about having lyrics.  In the case of the Cocteaus, they tried
to appease their Japanese label by giving them additional artwork and such in
lieu of giving lyrics which pretty much either don't exist or Liz would
rather not have printed.  But, the Japanese insisted on lyrics.  So, to make
a long story short, some poor Japanese folks at the record label in Japan
listened to the songs and wrote down what they guessed Liz was singing.  One
classic line I remeber Liz laughing in horror about in an interview in
Alternative Press was "yeah baby, I'm a mud dancer".  So, now there's
thousands of people in Japan that really think she sings about being a mud
dancer!!!  Ludicrous!

Regarding the Eden, Soma, DCD connection.  Well all 3 are from Australia but
share no common members.  Sean and Pieter of Eden are friends with Lisa
Gerrard of DCD.  Pieter is now no longer in Eden and has a techno-y tribal
band called Soma (on Extreme records out of Australia).  Pieter, also, was
the percussionist for Lisa Gerrard at these recent AVAM shows in Los Angeles.
 Sean is still in Eden, and their new album should be out early next year on
Projekt.  So that's it; that's the connection.

Also, Love Spirals Downwards has an e-mail address at:
LSprialsD@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:30:49 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: trademark of quality, Lisa Germano, mai pen rai


I got the trademark of quality promo from my ex-record store.  The RHP
track is *great*.  It's *GREAT*.  I can't wait .. jus' can't.  There's
also a new AMC track on the disc - about how the band met some prick rock
star in a guitar shop... I'd write about the rest of the stuff, but I
don't have the disc in my hand right now, so....... write me if you want
to know more.

I got the new lisa germano, too - it's probably one of the scariest cds I
own...  I like it too!  I usually can't make it through that track 6,
though...  Spooooooo-key.

I found a mai pen rai at the cellophane square in bellingham.  It's like
$15 - but it's got a price sticker and a cell. sq. upc sticker on it - I
don't think they'd come off easy...

I've got a few ride promos - anyone want to buy?  A promo picture disc
'Going Blank Again' and that 'kaleidoscope' thing that has 6 live
tracks.  Big bucks, big bucks!  Lemme know if you're interested - I'll
probably post a more detailed message later.

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:46:26 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....


Lars answered kelli-jeanne:

>>   * k-j * ...if 4ad had a god figure, it wouldn't be lisa gerrard...
>
>No, that's Warren Defever, isn't it? After all, he went to school with
>everybody else at 4AD, which means that he's omnipresent. Ergo cogita
>sum. Jacta est alea. Faketey fakety latin.

And hey, he's my older brother! (By the way, my family relations have
expanded quite a bit recently--I'm also Rachel "that dog" Haden's brother,
and Mikehell's son [he's the promoter who runs Kontrol Faktory, an
industrial club in LA], and the wife of a member of Hate Dept.; I'll bet
you didn't know Warren's family was that big). I apologize for the
completely irrelevant and fascetious comment that will only be mildly
amusing to those who were at the relevant AVAM show or read through my post
about it the following day, by the way, but I had to say it.

Anyway, I already asked k-j if Warren was the god figure at 4ad, and she
said no, it's v23 (Vaughn Oliver makes up most of a god figure, apparenty,
and fits into a complete one in conjunction with the other v23 people).

If we can combine people to make a god figure, I'd like to combine Rachel,
Petra and Tanya Haden into one intensely cute and charming six-armed woman
who can play three string instruments at once and sing at least a two-part
harmony at the same time. I'm not sure that such a creature would qualify
for godhead, but it would definitely be interesting to see.

                      ...............................
payn@scf.usc.edu      ...Me! I disconnect from you...      -- Gary Numan
                      ...............................
Finger for info on Purgatory, a goth/industrial club Thurs. in Hollywood

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:48:21 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....


One more thing:

>No, that's Warren Defever, isn't it? After all, he went to school with
>everybody else at 4AD, which means that he's omnipresent. Ergo cogita
>sum. Jacta est alea. Faketey fakety latin.

I didn't know Warren went to that many different schools. Wow! It's hard
enough just to keep up with all the English people, but to it RISD and UCLA
and all the other schools that American 4AD artists went to as well... he
must have been quite busy with those transfer applications.

Cogito ergo 4ad.

                      ...............................
payn@scf.usc.edu      ...Me! I disconnect from you...      -- Gary Numan
                      ...............................
Finger for info on Purgatory, a goth/industrial club Thurs. in Hollywood


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:47:30 -0500
From: "Jen Greene, (70004.3771@compuserve.com)" (Oxmox@AOL.COM)
Subject: Japanese Cocteau Twins lyrics in PRINT?


I saw that article about Japanese lyrics. Liz said that they were made up by
the Japanese and were totally offbase. I think she said some of the lyrics
went like ``hit me with your big airplane`` and ``I`m your muddancer baby``.
No mention of Peep Bo, though.

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:08:05 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Maids of Gravity


In message Wed, 23 Nov 1994 19:44:36 -0600, Sanz   writes:


> VERNON YARD:  A new band led by Ed Ruscha
> (guitarist on the 1st Medicine LP) called Maids of Gravity should release
> their debut CD in March.
>
Actually, Ed was the bass player.  Jim was the guitar player, and he is also
in the band (at least when I last talked to Beth Thompson).
              -jOHN


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:37:36 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo


It's true that Japanese record companies require a lyrics booklet to
accompany all releases.  This usually means that a bunch of people
sit around their offices with head phones on transcribing really BAD
lyrics in really BAD English, with no thought whatsoever as to what
the artist might actually be singing.

I read an interview with Liz where she mentioned that she read the Japan-
ese booklet that came with Blue Bell Knoll and laughed hysterically.
The first line of "Blue Bell Knoll" was transcribed as "Ooh baby I'm a
mud dancer..."  Whatever.  I guess it doesn't matter if they don't
speak English.  They have no idea what they're singing anyway....


That bit about MY TF V forcing Liz to write down the lyrics to "Iceblink Luck"
really pisses me off.  I HATE MY TX V.  Always have.  Always will.  I heard
that MY  MTV scrapped a 120 Minutes interview with the band after they refused
to play up to their ludicrous pander. (This was when Four Calendar Cafe
was released.)



Mike

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:18:08 +0000
From: Huite Rietveld (cheiron@NETLAND.NL)
Subject: Throwing Muses: University


Hi,

Here's some news on the Throwing Muses 'University' album, which will be
released january 16th 1995.
It's hot, boiling as before. Throwing Muses is now: Kristin Hersh (voice,
guitar), David Narcizo (drums) and Bernard Georges (bass, I guess).

>From the pressinfo:

"'University' is just a word that appears on the album. I think it's best
not to make these things too significant,' says Kristin, 'The other
reasoning behind it is that we could get some tee-shirts printed which say,
'THROWING MUSES UNIVERSITY', so everyone can come from our gigs feeling
they've graduated...'


BRIGHT YELLOW GUN / START / HAZING / SHIMMER / CALM DOWN, COME DOWN /
CRABTOWN / NO WAY IN HELL / SURF COWBOY / THAT'S ALL YOU WANTED / TELLER /
UNIVERSITY / SNAKEFACE / FLOOD / FEVERFEW.

The promo-MC is sticked to my walkman for a week now.

Huite

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:18:31 +0000
From: Huite Rietveld (cheiron@NETLAND.NL)
Subject: Thw Wolfgang Press: Funky Little Demons


The new Wolfgang Press album 'Funky Little Demons', planned release date
september 26th 1994, but now delayed until januari 23th 1995, is the best
since 'Standing Up Straight', which I think was the formerly best TWP-album.
It's funky. It swings like Tom Jones, who's working now with
Cox/Allen/Gray's music (ref: Show Me (Some Devotion).
Because writing music was the goal now, while before compiling rhythms and
themes resulted in their 'Funk Noir'. Lyrics and music are more coherent
than before, this grows; but most of all: it swings!

The album covers 12 tracks:

GOING SOUTH / 11 YEARS / BLOOD SATISFACTION / CHAINS / CHRISTIANITY / DEREK
THE CONFESSOR / SOLONG DEAD / EXECUTIONER / SHE'S SO SOFT / NEWGLASS /
FELLEN NOT BROKEN / PEOPLE SAY.

(Reviewed promo-MC).

Huite

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:32:11 -0600
From: Brian M Miller (mubmm2@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Song lyrics...


what a good song "...a psychopath" is to listen to when you come home to
your house being burglarized, like mine was...

"a baseball bat, a baseball bat, beside my bed"


ahhhhhhhh relief.....

miller


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:41:05 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Blah-Humbug... (was) Re: Ivo = Peep Bo


In message Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:37:36 -0500,
  Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear   writes:

> It's true that Japanese record companies require a lyrics booklet to
> accompany all releases.  This usually means that a bunch of people
> sit around their offices with head phones on transcribing really BAD
> lyrics in really BAD English, with no thought whatsoever as to what
> the artist might actually be singing.
>

Not always true.  The Lyric book for SLOWDIVE's "Blue Day" is very accurate.
Maybe the band submitted a lyric sheet?  I can't imagine ever getting the
words to "Shine" on my own.

The PALE SAINTS "mrs dolphin" cd comes with a story... or so my Japanese pal
Aki says so.  I asked her to read the Writing, and she just said it was some
story about losing yrself, and floating...
She never finished it... she was drunk and irritable, and I was annoyed
because she was summarizing and not giving me specifics.  Blah-Humbug.
The world may never Know.  Maybe aLFRED dOUGLAS could translate it for me?
Or maybe talk Aki into trying it again... you'd think she'd know her own
damn language.

>
> That bit about MY TF V forcing Liz to write down the lyrics to "Iceblink
> Luck" really pisses me off.  I HATE MY TX V.  Always have.  Always will.
> I heard that MY  MTV scrapped a 120 Minutes interview with the band after
> they refused to play up to their ludicrous pander. (This was when Four
> Calendar Cafe was released.)
>

Did anyone see the older interview Dave Kendall did with Miki Berenyi (LUSH)
and Mark Gardner (RIDE)?  It was really funny, because Dave kept
unintentionally insulting Miki, and Mark just kept staring at her, looking
so strung out.  There was also another one Dave did w/ Miki and Emma, where
he would ask them a question, and before every answer, they would say
"DUHHHHHHH" .

Fictionous example


Miki : Duuhhhhhhhhhhhh - yeah.


Emma :  Uuhhhhhhhhh gee thanks.  yr swell too.

Oh well... it _WAS_ funny at the time.  Sounded like an early version of
Bevis and Butt-head.
                             -jOHN

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:43:00 PST
From: Timothy Edwards (ECZ5TAE@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Selling out and related punk crap


"Destroy they say, defy, condemn, as long as you don't destroy them".
>From some dodgy, early 80's song. I will not reveal the source and hope that no
one embarrasses me by doing so. ; )

Richard Singer sez:
> Neil,
> The heyday of punk was not when you were 15, but when *I* was 15, back

Guess you told him! This was not neccessary to open your post because you
make excellent points (below) that refer to this anyway.

> phase that you're talking about was, in my mind, developed when conformists
> began to take over the scene from true nonconformists, and anarchism was
> replaced by a petty kind of fascism that simply called itself anarchism

Gobbingly yours,

T


>From the ultra-depressing film "Ron and Nancy"... I mean, "Sid and Nancy".

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:55:39 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Blah-Humbug... (was) Re: Ivo = Peep Bo


I have to agree about the lyrics booklet w/"Blue Day". I assume the band
submitted the lyrics for that.  The words to "Shine" are pretty good.

I have "Mrs. Dolphin", too, and I REALLY wish I could read Japanese. If
ANYONE out there reads Japanese, could you please translate it and post
it for me?  Not as if that would be any trouble or anything.....


Later,

Mike

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:31:47 -0800
From: scarab or serephim (scarab@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Lyrics...

              processor" at Nov 27, 94 00:01:22 am

        Maybe it's just me, but all of the Cocteau I have listened to has
at least a few discernable phrases in it.  If you are really ready to
throw your mind into overdrive, try 'influencing' your mind and then
listen.  I have deciphered many a stubborn lyric this way.  With
Cocteau,  I guarantee you will hear a few things you have never heard
before, barring the tonal no-words that Liz loves to use.  Forgive me for
being so Pro-Drug..... No,  Don't.... :)
        On another note, Anyone looking for AVAM, let me know.  Tower in
San Diego has about 6 copies.  I also found Pale Saints 'Mrs. Dolphin' at
Off The Record, and they have 2 more.
        Both are incredible!!!  Maybe I could pick one up for someone.
Does anyone have a discog on RHP?

                Contentedly malcontented,
                        -patrick


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:33:14 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: rare vinyl for sale


this may or may not be of interest to some of you out there..


If the price is right, I'd like to sell a couple gems from my

Current 93: Christ and the Pale Queens double LP with one side
        etched (Astral Paddington) by Stapleton.
        Limited to 93 copies- I'll have to set a minimum bid of
        $100 on this one. It is in absolutely pristine condition
        and comes with all inserts originally included.
        sleeve and record near mint.
I can also include the Red Face of God Ep (limited to 666) if you
are interested.


Nurse With Wound: Drunk With the Old Man on the Mountain LP
        on United Daries- limited to 100 copies
        hand pasted cover art- does NOT include autographed
        photo. also in pristine (near mint) condition.
        minimum bid $50.

and if I get a high enough bid I may be convinced to sell my
Aphex Twin: Curve remix (Falling Free) one sided 12",
which is also in near mint condition.



I'll let this add run for two weeks before I sell anything.
ted

--
__________________________________________________________________________
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." HPL
__________________________________________________________________________

Ted Watkins
fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

"You don't have to call it music, if the term disturbs you." JC

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:52:01 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 / Vaughan Oliver Fonts needed

              "t3_0038@EFP.POZNAN.PL" 

>I known this question has been posted one or two weeks ago,
>but I really be happy if anyone who has got theses fonts could
>e-mail me a uuencode version or give me an ftp adress to find them
>(if they are on a ftp site of course...)

You seem to be assuming these fonts are freeware, which I'd doubt given
Vaughan Oliver's stature and the work that goes into creating a first class
professional font. Please don't solicit piracy in any mailing list I'm on --
I used to work for a font company and believe me we _slaved_ over those
puppies.

Now, if someone who has the fonts wants to post info on where to buy them
from, that'd be cool.


but pretty weak by their standards. No bass to speak of. Is there an album or
something in the works?


Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com
                                                      NewtonMail: Jens Alfke
The stars are so big, the earth is so small
                         ...stay as you are

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:20:38 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: trademark of quality, Lisa Germano, mai pen rai


> I got the trademark of quality promo from my ex-record store.  The RHP

Ahh, I forgot - the Throwing Muses track.  'teller [demo]'  My first
impression is that it's somewhere in between hips & makers and red
heaven, but with lil' more of an edge.  Kinda slow, but sounds good.
Lookin' forward to this one too....

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:28:08 -0800
From: scarab or serephim (scarab@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Belly Question...

              processor" at Nov 28, 94 00:01:59 am

        I saw a bootleg at a store here in San Diego called 'Soft White
Underbelly,' and I was wondering if anybody has it and if it is worth $22.00.
        I have bought many a bootleg and been very disappointed many a time.
Anyone know when the new single\album is due?
        How about a Belly discog?  I think I have everything...
                -Patrick


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:30:14 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Blah-Humbug... (was) Re: Ivo = Peep Bo

              28 Nov 94 12:55:39 EST" <2eda1be4328b002@cdsmail.cdc.com>

>I have "Mrs. Dolphin", too, and I REALLY wish I could read Japanese. If
>ANYONE out there reads Japanese, could you please translate it and post
>it for me?  Not as if that would be any trouble or anything.....

If nobody can get a sober Japanese friend to translate it for them
mail it to me, I'll take a shot at it.  I correspond regularly by mail
in Japanese and am always translating something.  As long as
it's not too long.

Kent Vanderwaal
376 LaBore Road,  Apt. 114
Little Canada,  MN  55117

Sorry, I have the US CD of Soulvalki and thus no lyrics
Eigo or Nihongo.

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@catherine.cim.cdc.com
"gifted child, omouidashite yo"
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 23:44:24 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush Lush Lush


Shouldn't that be:
Subscribe.  Brian Lyons
Right?  >;->

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 15:10:35 -0600
From: Sanz (bighat@RIPCO.COM)
Subject: Re: Belly Question...


On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, scarab or serephim wrote:

>         I saw a bootleg at a store here in San Diego called 'Soft White
> Underbelly,' and I was wondering if anybody has it and if it is worth $22.00.
>         I have bought many a bootleg and been very disappointed many a time.
> Anyone know when the new single\album is due?
>         How about a Belly discog?  I think I have everything...
>                 -Patrick
>
The new album is alted for release on February 13th.
****************
Sanz Lashley SHE-dreampop straight up w/ a noisy chaser!
      snail: 5602 N. Ridge, Chicago, IL 60660


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:49:39 -0700
From: "sadly however, not a trace of the bat was found" (NMARSHALL% OMONA.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>
Subject: roast beef? HNIA on aVAM


        I would say that the His Name Is Alive Track is quite a bit like the
album _Mouth by Mouth_, which I like quite a bit. It has lines of lyrics taken
from many of the songs, it has the over-driven guitar, it has the twangy-soft
parts interspersed. I would guess that Dara is someone added to their
amorphous line-up.
        In the radio interview during All Virgos Are Mad, Vaughn confirmed that
the name was Ivo's idea, and that he and Ivo are Virgos. {His "this rimey
river" show was the event first scheduled to be in the UK LA festival and then
the musical things were added later.}

-%n

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:10:56 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Re AVAM and Earwig


Two questions:

Has  anyone ordered AVAM from CDconnection lately,
and actually gotten it?  I'm still waiting.

I  saw an earlier (?) Earwig CD, I don't remember the title
but the cover was crude/simple artwork.  Anyone know anything
about this?  I keep seeing Earwig all over the place,,
the Blake Babies "Earwig", Pegboy's "Earwig" but this
is the group Earwig what became Insides.  I already got the
one where the lass  is on the cover and then pulling something
like gum off her face on the back cover..
I'll shut up now.

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@catherine.cim.cdc.com
"gifted child, omouidashite yo"
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:23:05 EST
From: Matt Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Thw Wolfgang Press: Funky Little Demons

              28 Nov 1994 17:18:31 EST." <9411281743.AA27726@media.mit.edu>

>The new Wolfgang Press album 'Funky Little Demons', planned release date
>september 26th 1994, but now delayed until januari 23th 1995, is the best
>since 'Standing Up Straight', which I think was the formerly best TWP-album.

Do we still get Leslie Langston on bass???  She is solid with them on 'Queer'.

-Matt
krom@media.mit.edu

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:21:44 EST
From: Matt Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance lyrics

              24 Nov 1994 11:20:53 EST." <9411241157.AA21371@media.mit.edu>

>I am pretty sure Lisa Gerrard sings in no existing language
>most of the time.  (I am working on this everlasting project
>of creating the Dead Can Dance lyrics book so I listened a lot
>and I can at least recognize the west-european languages).

Nice work!  Would you mind posting which languages you've recognized, and in
which songs, please?

-Matt
krom@media.mit.edu


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:47:03 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo

              an Ear" at Nov 28, 94 11:37:36 am

Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear  said:
>
> It's true that Japanese record companies require a lyrics booklet to
> accompany all releases.  This usually means that a bunch of people
> sit around their offices with head phones on transcribing really BAD
> lyrics in really BAD English, with no thought whatsoever as to what
> the artist might actually be singing.

My brother is currently teaching English in a suburb of Tokyo (actually
a city the size of the second largest in Britain, but by Japanese
standards it's pretty small), and had to suppress a fit of the giggles
when he went to a karaoke evening with some friends.  One of them got up
on stage and sang an impassioned version of that famous Elvis classic,
"Rub me tender".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |


Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:46:00 0000
From: "CUSTOMER SATISFACTION IS MY JOB." (AFABER@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HA RIS.COM>
Subject: COCTEAU TWINS VIDEO / ONLY HAVE 2


I purchased 4 Cocteau Twins videos for people on a Goth list I was on.  Two
of the people sent payment and two didn't.  If anyone would like one of these
drop me a line... I don't feel like driving across Florida to return them.


Cocteau Twins / McAlister Auditorium / Tulane University / New Orleans, LA /
 2-28-94 / HANDHELD 8mm /HI-FI Stereo / 78 minutes

I paid $20 each for them... add $1.50 for shipping.  Quality is good.
Please only reserve them if you can send a check/MO within 7 days.  I don't
want what happened last time to happen again.

bye...
Aaron


Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 04:53:06 -0500
From: Lee Graham Bridges (s989790@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU)
Subject: taking a quick sidestep from CT & DCD


Since 4AD hosted more harder-edged stuff than CT & DCD (all the better for
being diverse), then I thought maybe we could discuss it.  Particularly that
one The The album put out on 4AD in 1980 (the name eludes me), "Perfect
Teeth" by Unrest, and stuff by the Pixies.  Another quick sidenote:  there's
a service run by MIT Media Labs whereby people can rate bands, musicians,
and their respective albums, and based on that data, receive predictions
about how much they'll like an unrated band.  (for info, e-mail
ringo@media.mit.edu with the word "join" in the body.  This will get you a
first survey.)  In any case, the Pixies were the top-rated band!  Well
anyway, let's hear some opinions on some of these bands/albums.
Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to hear them, so I can't honestly
comment.  But I'd be interested in hearing what you all think.


shadowfire '94               |"I thought I'd found a reason to live
s989790@umslvma.umsl.edu     | Just like before when I was a child
             Troy, MO 63379  | Would just fall apart and slip through my hands."