4ad-l Mail for 11-27-1994

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Subject: Re: DCD-Lives apart?/Shit stirring/alt.gothic
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:05:24 +0000
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@SHRED.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: "Blue light special on DCD in aisle 4"
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 01:09:24 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: eventide shows
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:44:34 +0000
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@SHRED.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: "Blue light special on DC
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:53:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 14:46:31 -0600
From: Jeff Davis (jjdavis@XNET.COM)
Subject:
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 04:18:29 -0800
From: Brian Lyons (brianlyo@GODFATHER.CYBERQUEST.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 21 Nov 1994 to 22 Nov 1994
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:37:34 EWT
From: "Oh I want you...like a Kangaroo." (NLEACH@UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Farewell, and one last chance...
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:10:19 -0400
From: Michael Edwards (Q0J0@UNB.CA)
Subject: Japanese lyrics sheets
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 10:39:36 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 11:50:23 -0700
From: Tony Jacobson (tonyman@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Lush Lush Lush
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:52:42 -0500
From: Ned Anderson (DavidC1349@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: a rare and blistering sun, shines down...
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 10:03:30 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dark, depressing music..
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 12:27:56 +0000
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@SHRED.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:05:24 +0000
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@SHRED.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD-Lives apart?/Shit stirring/alt.gothic


"Neil G."  writes:

>Projekt, Eden; something like they used to be part of DCD?  Then
>there is also a connection between Eden, Stoa and Soma I think.

I am pretty positive that Snog, Eden, and Soma are interrelated.
Perhaps you confused Snog with Stoa?  I recall that a record
label or distributor placed a review/advertisement/info of Soma
on the alt.exotic-music news group...

purge!



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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 01:09:24 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: "Blue light special on DCD in aisle 4"


einexile wrote:

> This is I guess a social thing or something, but I think it's the reason
> most people don't actually like music. Don't be angry that someone who
> has no love for music decides they dig a certain song, buys the record,
> plays it a few times and throws it out.

You can't "hide" the music you like.  Bands like DCD, etal make music because
its something that they like to do---and to make money.  It makes them feel
good, and hopefully along the way, they pick up a few dozen (or thousands) of
fans.  This will allow them to continue to make the music they enjoy making.
I understand the frustration of seeing someone pick up a Madonna,
Salt-n-pepa, and "Toward the Within" only because they all happen to be out
on the counter. (I witnessed this, this week.)  You want to say "You're not
authorized to listen to the DCD.  Please hand it over.  Once you've developed
a cerbral cortex of your own and are no longer a mindless bovine, then it
will be returned to you."  But it doesn't make any difference because all the
money goes to the same place---regardless of how "cool" the person is who
purchased the CD.  If you are secure in who you are, why would it matter that
the 14-year-olds of '94 are suddenly into DCD?  Next year it will be
something else.

You shouldn't fault someone for buying something you like and "spoiling it".
I never have understood the overwhelming desire to say "Oh, I knew about that
group 2 years ago..."  Not to single any group out, but some college dj
friends of mine used to be notorious for doing this.  Nobody could "up" them
on any music.  Personally I like the music that I like and I don't try to
pretend that I know all of the groups that are discussed here.  When I do
find something new I like (Stina) I'm overjoyed and *WELCOME* people's
opinions.  I like the Weezer video and I like Verucca Salt.  I'm really not
concerned whether or not this places me in any particular
group/class/subgenus/phylum/petri-dish.

oh goodness look at the time...I am rambling on so I'll shut up now.


marvynHortman ...who is wondering how many "earth-firsties" spent the last
two days suckling from the tits of corporate America in malls across this
great land...I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!   :)


Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:44:34 +0000
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@SHRED.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: eventide shows


There are a few eventide shows coming up.  For those of you who
aren't familiar with them, here's an excerpt from my homepage.

"An excellent local (somewhat to the LA area) band.  My first encounter
with them was at the Lycia/Closedown/Eventide show.  Somewhat DCD-esque
music.  They have a bassist (Laura) who plays laid back bass lines that
remind me of Will Heggie (of Lowlife and Cocteau Twins' Garlands fame).
Jeremiah supplies keyboards and the majority of the percussiion.  The drumming
generally has an eastern/exotic/tribal feel and is in part performed on
authentic ethnic drums.  Dan is the string man... Playing acoustic guitars,
lutes, and other crazy ethnic guitar-like instruments.  Julie provides
delicious 'ethereal' vocals; at times very churchey other times folkey
(scottish/irish maybe?)." -me

The flyer that they sent out reads:

-----------------------(front side)----------------------
                         EVENTIDE

ART/DK                           LUNA PARK
Saturday, Nov. 19th              Sunday, Nov. 20th
ART/DK Located At:               LUNA PARK Restaurant &
14th and C                                    Night Club
Downtown San Diego               Located at:
(619) 698-8276                   665 North Robertson Blvd
                                 West Hollywood
                                 (310) 652-0611


------------------------(back side)----------------------
Eventide is currently featured on

                   Heavenly Voices Vol.1
                             &
                    Of These Reminders

               (available on CD & cassette)


for more information contact:
Eventide
PO Box 203
Redlands, CA 92373
(909) 798-5983

---------------------------------------------------------


enjoy...

purge!
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:53:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: "Blue light special on DC


MH> I understand the frustration of seeing someone pick up a Madonna,
MH> Salt-n-pepa, and "Toward the Within" only because they all happen to be out
MH> on the counter. (I witnessed this, this week.)  You want to say "You're not
MH> authorized to listen to the DCD.  Please hand it over.  Once you've develope

MH> a cerbral cortex of your own and are no longer a mindless bovine, then it
MH> will be returned to you."  But it doesn't make any difference because all th

MH> money goes to the same place---regardless of how "cool" the person is who
MH> purchased the CD.  If you are secure in who you are, why would it matter tha

MH> the 14-year-olds of '94 are suddenly into DCD?  Next year it will be
MH> something else.
MH> You shouldn't fault someone for buying something you like and "spoiling it".

The problem or should I say irratation does not only lie in the fact that
these mindless bovines are all suddenly buying 'cool' music like DCD
because  there buddies have it too, but when they start making judgment on
whats good and bad about music like 4AD by comparing it to 'music' like
Salt and Pepper / Maddona (using the phrase music very loosy lin connection
with said bands)
What I cant understand is how someone can listen to something like S&P and
say its really good and then say that the dcd album is not really up to the
same standard. I find music like  S&P empty. I can't see in soul or essence
to the music beside the backgroung ringing of dollar signs. Music like 4AD
has a power in itself in that _YOU CAN FEEL IT_ , you can grasp something
in the music beside mindless grabage.

Oh well enough ranting and raving, I am off to replace my 4AD collection
with Boys II Men and Whitney Housten. Not

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Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 14:46:31 -0600
From: Jeff Davis (jjdavis@XNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo


And
|WHEN did anyone ever see authentic Cocteau Twins lyrics in PRINT?  The
|only time I've EVER seen CT lyrics in print was on the original UK release
|for "Garlands" on vinyl, which had passages from each of the songs on the
|outer sleeve.

i may be wrong, but i believe that several of the "official" japanese
CT releases were issued with printed lyrics.  apparently the japanese
listeners wanted them (as if we didn't).  I remember this from some
interview with Liz in a print magazine several years back.

can anyone verify or disprove?

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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 04:18:29 -0800
From: Brian Lyons (brianlyo@GODFATHER.CYBERQUEST.COM) subscribe. Brian lyons

Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:37:34 EWT
From: "Oh I want you...like a Kangaroo." (NLEACH@UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 21 Nov 1994 to 22 Nov 1994


This may be a silly post, but when I saw the DCD _Toward the Within_ video, I
was completely enraptured. The live version of "Cantara" has to be one of the
single most powerful songs on the face of the planet. Lisa looked posessed. I
love her. O.K., that is all for now.

Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:10:19 -0400
From: Michael Edwards (Q0J0@UNB.CA)
Subject: Farewell, and one last chance...


This will be my last posting to the list as I am finding it incredibly
difficult to wade through the 500 or so postings I get each day,
particularly the repeated ones. So I am taking refuge on the indiepop
list - anyone can find me there if you so desire.
But before I go, I am offering my Stereolab t-shirt for sale/trade for
one final time seeing the two interested parties don't want it
anymore.
If you didn't get the story the first time, I got sold a youth large
rather than an adult large, so it doesn't fit me. Sigh. Its a long
sleeved one with blue sleeves and other details. The print is the
cover of the latest album, surrounded by silver glitter - VERY cool
and I wish that the damned thing did fit me. So if any of the more
petite members of the list want to make me an offer, then get in touch
at q0j0@unb.ca and let me know what you think. Cash, music, farm
animals - I'll consider any offer at all.
So farewell to one and all; I'm sure our paths will continue to cross
now and again. And I hope that someone will make an offer for the
shirt as it seems so wasted on my teddy bear (although he must be the
coolest bear in existance at the moment)

                  Yours in a pique of tweeness,
                                          Michael
                                         q0j0@unb.ca

ps don't be afraid to keep in touch....


"The best is yet to come" - Sammy Davies Jr.


Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 10:39:36 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Japanese lyrics sheets


Yes, there was an article describing a Japanese lyric sheet to
Head Over Heels, and Liz and Robin were laughing over some of
the transcriptions. I don't have this particular one, but some of my
other Japanese releases come with the same kind thing, and they are
obviously done without a very good understanding of English.
My favourite example: "pizzicato strings" becomes "put the cat to strings".

So, no, the only place you'll ever find the real lyrics printed
for any Cocteau Twins songs is the back cover of Garlands, and there
it's only excerpts. Then there is also the incident, which I'm almost sure
I saw in some interview, that MTV forced Elizabeth to write down and show
them her lyrics before they would broadcast the video for Iceblink Luck.

\>

Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 11:50:23 -0700
From: Tony Jacobson (tonyman@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo


Jeff Davis Said:


>i may be wrong, but i believe that several of the "official" japanese
>CT releases were issued with printed lyrics.  apparently the japanese
>listeners wanted them (as if we didn't).  I remember this from some
>interview with Liz in a print magazine several years back.
>
>can anyone verify or disprove?
>

I couldn't exactly prove it, but I heard or read somewhere (maybe Jack H's
Coctueau Twins Homepage?) that all Japanese releases are required by law to
include lyrics.  I heard that the Cocteaus just made up some nonsense lyrics
that did not necessarily correspond to what was being sung on the albums.

Anyone have anymore unsubstantiated rumors?

-Tony


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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:52:42 -0500
From: Ned Anderson (DavidC1349@AOL.COM)
Subject: Lush Lush Lush


Hi

 Does anyone know what the next single from Split will be? I've heard that if
there is one, it will be "Blackout", "When I Die" or "Lovelife".

Also, does anyone have any Lush posters, pins, articles of clothing, or
what-not that they would be willing to depart with? Does anyone know where I
can get any of this stuff?

Thanks,

Ned
Publisher, _Infrequently Lush_


Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 10:03:30 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: a rare and blistering sun, shines down...


In message Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:05:03 -0500,
  "spiral 8'" <99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU>  writes:


> as for my slowdive _blue day_ cd, WOW!
> does anyone else miss those days when
> all you could hear were thick harmonies,
> waves of guitar, and pure sonic bliss?
> (ie JFaD and everything before)...
> thanks to whoever posted the info on
> the new album, im sosooooossoosooo
> excited!

You should try to find the ep "Holding our breath", because it has a cover
of Syd Barrets "Golden Hair" that is absolutely wonderful.  It's not on the
"Blue Day" lp, nor is "Avalyn II"... which is just "Avalyn I" without the
vocals... but it's still worth having.  Does yr Blue Day Cd have a little
book w/ lyrics?  Mine does, but I know someone who has the same Cd without
the lyrics.


> does anyone think neil halstead looks
> like peter murphy?
> and kevin bacon! maybe if they had a kid
> it would look like neil...

No No NO No No... I look like Neil Halstead... only I have bleached white
hair.


> also does anyone know if those movie soundtracks
> are available in the US, and if not, then where...
> and of all the bands ive ever heard, i think that
> simon is THE greatest drummer ive ever heard,

Next to Mig (Moonshake), Colm O'cossig (MBV) and the guy in Laika (i forget
his name).  Oh yeah, Jim from MEDICINE is a damn fine drummer.

> what is everyones favorite v23/vaughnnie o.
> album/ep/single/whatever picture/s? if you
> want, include it at the end of your messages
> so as not to cause a large one-liner influx...

I really like the cover for Lushs GALA.  That and Cocteau Twins TREASURE.

> hope all you cats have a cool thanksgiving and stuff...
> kiss the kiddies for meh....

Kiss yr cats for me.

        -jOHN


Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 12:27:56 +0000
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@SHRED.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dark, depressing music..


Paul Rankine  writes:

[some opinions on SPK's Information Overload Unit]

>     I dont know if you sometimes can feel/hear your pulse at your temple,
>     and how annoying/distracting/disturbing it can be, well this is what
>     that album sounds like.

Well put... (:  And if you end up going out to buy Information Overload
Unit and accidentally wind up with their album Zamia Lehmanni, rejoice...
I'm too lazy to post the liner notes of the instruments used (ethnic, orchestral
   ,
and ambient sources), but they can be found on my homepage:
        http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~scottyt
and if anyone is interested, I'll mail the info to you.

>     the Within, Mouse on Mars,Anatomy of a Poet) that has broken the
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

heh! I have not been able to find this yet.... *sad face*.  Could you
offer up a brief description of the new ITN stuff?  many thanks if so...

purge!
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