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Subject: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:49:14 -0800
From: nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: DCD languages
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:52:43 -0800
From: nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Ivo and Warner
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Ivo, Warner, GATT, the Illuminati...help,
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 00:18:39 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: roast beef with potatoes
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:58:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Dead Can Dance lyrics
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:20:53 +0100
From: Andre Van Leeuwen (Andre.van.Leeuwen@CWI.NL)
Subject: Re: Ivo, Warner, GATT, the Illuminati...help,
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: HOOOOOOOORAY!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Selling out and related punk crap
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Record Lables
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:26:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Electrafixion
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:06:48 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Record Lables
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:49:49 -0800
From: Smitten Kitten (ratcat@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 14:13:45 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: DCD languages
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 15:46:57 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD languages
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 00:49:46 +0100
From: Mathias Hansson (drokk@LYSATOR.LIU.SE)
Subject: Re: roast beef with potatoes...oh! the horror!
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 16:06:50 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...ecstacy oozed from my walkman last night...
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 16:20:29 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)

Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:49:14 -0800
From: nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Ivo = Peep Bo


The Peel Session title of the Cocteau song "Ivo" is
really "Peep Bo" which is also what she's saying. I've
seen it in print. Also in that Peel Session was another song
from Treasure ("Beatrix"?) which then had a title that John Peel
pronounced sounding like "Weesht".

\>

Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:52:43 -0800
From: nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: DCD languages


I've interviewed Lisa and she is loathe to say what she sings
is any language at all. "It's the language where the tongue is
the drum." If you've seen the Toward The Within video, you
know what I'm talking about.

brant

Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Ivo and Warner


    I've deleted the message, but Jeff Gayton mentioned something
about what Ivo will be doing since Warner is being "overun" by lawyers
and all the "good guys" are leaving.  In a Melody Maker article
(January, 20 1990) where they interviewed Ivo on the 10th anniversary
of 4AD he said the following, "It was always essential and I still
believe it's true that it's best to be distributed independantly and
not through a major-people understood what we were doing.  Have you
ever met someone from a major label?  They have not the remotest
understanding of what you're doing."
    Related to labels: 14 years ago Ivo and partner Peter Kent started
4ad as a talent scout label for Beggars Banquet.  Now I understood
that after a while they broke away completely from Beggars Banquet.
On 'Towards the Within' from DCD however Beggars Banquet appeared
amongst the copyright credits.  I may be blind, but i can't remember
seeing this on any other 4AD releases (post-Axis that is).  Perhaps I
should go home and have a closer look at my records!  How big a share
does Beggars Banquet have in 4AD then?

    +-+-+-+-
    |Neil

PS. In the same article Ivo mentions having met Robin Guthrie who had
come down to London to see the Birthday Party.  The demo tape he left
Ivo with was really raw and reminded him of Siouxsie and the Banshees.
He never the less fell in love with it.


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 00:18:39 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Ivo, Warner, GATT, the Illuminati...help,

              there's a space probe attached to my optic nerve!

On Thu, 24 Nov 1994, Neil G. wrote:

>   In a Melody Maker article
> (January, 20 1990) where they interviewed Ivo on the 10th anniversary
> of 4AD he said the following, "It was always essential and I still
> believe it's true that it's best to be distributed independantly and
> not through a major-people understood what we were doing.  Have you
> ever met someone from a major label?  They have not the remotest
> understanding of what you're doing."

Well it looks like he's changed his mind a bit, eh? Not only did he sign
with a major, he moved within pissing distance of all of them! Which
personally doesn't bother me in principle except that the flagship band
itself was already having romantic dinners with Capitol Dinners. Anyway,
I didn't read the article but from what context I can read from it, it's
not really relevant here since it's just a judgement about what works,
what's a pain in the ass, etc. In the case of Warner, there is a whole
big label deal and 4AD *is* the US label. The only thing governing what
they do is the prior overall agreement. Hence all the terribly useless,
wasteful, and narcissistic (though lovely) promotional items you'd never
see from a major. (Well, except maybe for someone like REM...anyone see
the inside of that deluxe Monster? Wot's it like?)

   einexile (thinks marriage is more a threat than any label shakeup)


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:58:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: roast beef with potatoes


I just got AVAM. I paid R96,00 which works out to about $28.00. Oh well
thats what happens when you live in a country where the word economy is
merely a fantasy dream for optomists. The cd is excellent and was a great
way to hear some 4AD artist that I had not heard before.
I have a question, about the HNIA track (*k-j* ?)
This was the first time I have heard HNIA and so, i would like to know :-
a) Is this what all there music sounds like, is it along the same vein?
b) The track listing says 'His Name Is Alive with DARA' who or what is DARA
   and why is he/she/it with HNIA ???

ALso, just out of curiosity, anyone know why the show was called 'All
Virgo's are Mad'
Thanks

Gnome
I also got TMC F&S which is beatuiful. I really love track to about the
Jewler
    +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+
    |   _____     |  Gnome                         | She called me      |
    |  ( o o )    |  adrian.sevitz@digtec.co.za    | from the corner    |
    |  (__v__)    |  P.O.Box 786782                | of a song I never  |
    |     |       |  Sandton                       | liked.             |
    |  *--+--*    |  2146                          |                    |
    |     |       |  South Africa                  |     The            |
    |   _/ \_     |                                |     Drovers        |
    +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+
---
 . SPEED 1.40 [NR] . ..full moon, passed the windows sideways... - T Donnely

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Digitec Online - South Africa

Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:20:53 +0100
From: Andre Van Leeuwen (Andre.van.Leeuwen@CWI.NL)
Subject: Dead Can Dance lyrics


(changed the subject line to something referring to the content
 of the message, hope others will follow this example ;)

I am pretty sure Lisa Gerrard sings in no existing language
most of the time.  (I am working on this everlasting project
of creating the Dead Can Dance lyrics book so I listened a lot
and I can at least recognize the west-european languages).

Besides this personal experience there are many interviews
to be found in which she explains why she sings the way she
does (try e.g. the toward the within video):  she wants to
touch upon the spirit of the music, and she can only try to
find the sounds that to her express the experience of actually
succeeding in her quest.  Language is just to poor.

Hmm, I see I have to quit here, before I get lost...

Andre


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Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Ivo, Warner, GATT, the Illuminati...help,


In my early "punk/fanzine/vandalise a butcher" days we used to have a
name for all this.....we called it "SELLING OUT".

Ivo once said in an interview that the ideal time for 4AD to come to
a halt would be in 1990 simply because the  label was born in 1980
and a ten year stint just sounded appropriate...it's a real pity the
bastard never put words into action.

Time to retreat into my cocoon....goodnit chilin!!!!

The Dark Half
watts__________________________________________________
!                                                !
! All those moments will be lost                 !
!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
!                            Time...to die!      !
!                                                !
!                                  ROY BATTY     !
!________________________________________________!


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: HOOOOOOOORAY!!!!!!


i have some incredible news for all you listers, THEO aka HOTE aka
KEPPO COOLO has finally left the list.

Yep, you'd better believe it, the ponce unsubscribed today in prep
for his UK departure next Thursday. I say we all throw a list
celebration ie each person sends a one line "YOU SUCK" msg to the
list and we all have a glorious flame war.

ok ok, so i'm gonna miss him.....you try walking around with 50% of
you darker psyche absent and see how difficult it is...BASTARD!!!!


goodnite chilin
wattso__________________________________________________
!                                                !
! All those moments will be lost                 !
!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
!                            Time...to die!      !
!                                                !
!                                  ROY BATTY     !
!________________________________________________!


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Selling out and related punk crap


The stale lump of boil oozings (who is a friend in case anyone
misinteperates my intentions) put a long finger up his nose, changed a
gear and came up with the following:
>In my early "punk/fanzine/vandalise a butcher" days we used to have a
>name for all this.....we called it "SELLING OUT".

I remember reading a story at the beginning of the year where a bunch
of punks beat the $#%@ out of Jello Biafra (Dead Kennedys, Lard) and
put him in hospital for "selling out".  Can you imagine if we applied
the same philosophy(?!) to 4AD bands.  Right now i'm thinking of that
picture of Jack H (Cocteau's WWW home page) standing next to Liz
Frazer- imagine if he turned around, headbutted her and sayed,
"That's for selling out bitch!".  Then there's Ronny Moorings of
Xymox-smash his synthesizer repeatedly over his head, and then tell
him to go and buy a new one because that one was making crap music.

     Neil  -who just about had the $#%! beaten out him by punks in a
            Punk/Goth club when he was 15 (1985) for having pointy
            shoes etc. aaaaaaaaah-the good 'ol days ;)


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:26:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Record Lables


Okay, now I am really lost. Maybey I am just a thick South African, but
this record lable thread has really confused me. Who owns who, what how and
why. What is the difference between 4AD, Warner, Beggars Ban., Rough Trade
etc. Also what is a publisher. Look at my AVAM CD each band seems to have a
differnt publisher, that has a name somehow relevent to their band.
       rhp             -       god forbid publishing
       l germano       -       emotional wench music
       breeders        -       period music
       k smith         -       warner chappell music
       hnia with dara  -       preforate my heart music

also I have noticed that belly is slow dog music.

I am lost, would somebody please explain the ins and outs of how the music
goes from the mouths of the artists to the poly-carb fibre's of our
speakers.

Thanks
Beffuddled Gnome
    +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+
    |   _____     |  Gnome                         | She called me      |
    |  ( o o )    |  adrian.sevitz@digtec.co.za    | from the corner    |
    |  (__v__)    |  P.O.Box 786782                | of a song I never  |
    |     |       |  Sandton                       | liked.             |
    |  *--+--*    |  2146                          |                    |
    |     |       |  South Africa                  |     The            |
    |   _/ \_     |                                |     Drovers        |
    +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+
---
 . SPEED 1.40 [NR] . All hail MacBeth thou shall be king hereafter - W.S.

----
Digitec Online - South Africa


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:06:48 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Electrafixion


        For any of you that are current or former Echo & the Bunnymen fans, I
_highly_ recommend you check out Electrafixion (Ian McCulloch and Will Sergeant'

new project). They have a four track import CDS for the song "Zephyr."

        I find the songs pleasantly reminiscent of vintage Echo, rather than
the watered-down approach McCulloch has taken with his solo albums.

        I'm hoping for more from these guys.

-julian-


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:49:49 -0800
From: Smitten Kitten (ratcat@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Record Lables


The bands or songwriters in each band have their own publishing company.
Lots of labels (particularly majors) force the artists to be in their
publishing company, but I guess 4AD doesn't have one or allows the artists
to keep their own (which means the artists get all the publishing royalties
and don't have to share them with the label).

On Thu, 24 Nov 1994, Adrian Sevitz wrote:

> Okay, now I am really lost. Maybey I am just a thick South African, but
> this record lable thread has really confused me. Who owns who, what how and
> why. What is the difference between 4AD, Warner, Beggars Ban., Rough Trade
> etc. Also what is a publisher. Look at my AVAM CD each band seems to have a
> differnt publisher, that has a name somehow relevent to their band.
>        rhp             -       god forbid publishing
>        l germano       -       emotional wench music
>        breeders        -       period music
>        k smith         -       warner chappell music
>        hnia with dara  -       preforate my heart music
>
> also I have noticed that belly is slow dog music.
>
> I am lost, would somebody please explain the ins and outs of how the music
> goes from the mouths of the artists to the poly-carb fibre's of our
> speakers.
>
> Thanks
> Beffuddled Gnome
>     +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+
>     |   _____     |  Gnome                         | She called me      |
>     |  ( o o )    |  adrian.sevitz@digtec.co.za    | from the corner    |
>     |  (__v__)    |  P.O.Box 786782                | of a song I never  |
>     |     |       |  Sandton                       | liked.             |
>     |  *--+--*    |  2146                          |                    |
>     |     |       |  South Africa                  |     The            |
>     |   _/ \_     |                                |     Drovers        |
>     +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+
> ---
>  . SPEED 1.40 [NR] . All hail MacBeth thou shall be king hereafter - W.S.
>
> ----
> Digitec Online - South Africa
> Telnet: bbs.digitec.co.za or 196.11.62.106
>


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 14:13:45 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Ivo = Peep Bo


>The Peel Session title of the Cocteau song "Ivo" is
>really "Peep Bo" which is also what she's saying. I've
>seen it in print. Also in that Peel Session was another song
>from Treasure ("Beatrix"?) which then had a title that John Peel
>pronounced sounding like "Weesht".

Ha! So I was right, it _is_ "Peep Bo" (I'll pretend like I didn't spell it
with a hyphen before, even though I think I did, so I can look even more
right), not "Pink Bow." Who'd name a cat "Pink Bow" anyway?

  ___________ ______________________________________________________________
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/ scf.usc.edu /                         --Hilt                              /
\____________/_____________________________________________________________/

finger me for information about Purgatory, a goth/industrial club in Hollywood


Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 15:46:57 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD languages


  ...she's channeling god...


  *k*

Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 00:49:46 +0100
From: Mathias Hansson (drokk@LYSATOR.LIU.SE)
Subject: Re: DCD languages


On Thu, 24 Nov 1994, Kelli-Jeanne wrote:

>   ...she's channeling god...
>
>
>   *k*
>
so true :)
mathias
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Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 16:06:50 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: roast beef with potatoes...oh! the horror!


  ...from distant lands, Adrian Sevitz wrote:

> I just got AVAM. I paid R96,00 which works out to about $28.00.

  i think it's overpriced no matter what you pay for it...

> This was the first time I have heard HNIA and so, i would like to know :-
> a) Is this what all there music sounds like, is it along the same vein?

  oh dear...not really, no. this is more like hnia ran into a japanese
  noize muzak-playing ice cream truck. 'livonia' has sort of a washed out
  noizey buzz over karin oliver's Stright Outta Vocal 101 vox work, while
  'home is in your head' plays more like a tmc record with it's stream of
  consciousness segues from one song to another..lots of acoustic mixed
  with noizey guitar and a nice appearance from jymn & his girlfriend
  denise on 'love's a fish eye'. this is an absolute masterpiece of an
  album. 'the dirt eaters' ep & 'mouth by mouth' are a li'l askew and
  unfocussed...with some tripped out indie rokk songs and cover songs and
  more of that loopy guitar happyfuzzy chord drones and weirdness. i
  associate music with feelings and experiences and seasons, and 'mouth
  by mouth' is definately early summer...happiness and blue skies and
  flowers and blowing bubbles...
  anyway, don't let this AVAM track fool ya.

> b) The track listing says 'His Name Is Alive with DARA' who or what is DARA
>    and why is he/she/it with HNIA ???

  dara is a girl, who more or less wrote the song or played some guitar
  or whatever. i really don't know and no one has ever told me the truth.
  it seems that almost everyone warren knows plays music, and they
  all wind up playing with him at one time or another...

> ALso, just out of curiosity, anyone know why the show was called 'All
> Virgo's are Mad'

  ivo & vaughan are virgos, for starters...


  * k-j * ...a non-hardcore vegan taurus who is completely out of her mind...

Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 16:20:29 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...ecstacy oozed from my walkman last night...


  better than coffee ice cream, warren defever having a guitar spaz-out,
  or xmas lights on acid {ahem..uh...not that i would know...}, my friend
  with the super-superior musique taste sent me a tape of the two laika
  releases just a few days ago. i'm still in a sort of euphoric daze...
  this band..this music..it is amazing! album of the year, hands down...
  {special exception to mainstreamer trent reznor and his brilliant 'downward
  spiral'}. if you become incredibly happy upon hearing some really
  awesome percussive music, backed with a beautiful whisper song vocal,
  then go out and buy the record and never take it off your stereo!!!!

  oh, and to all of you american folk, happy thanksgiving. :)
  i don't get dinner 'til tomorrow night... :~(

  *k-j*


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