Subject: a rare and blistering sun, shines down...
Subject: Getting Better Over Time
Subject: Re: New NDW!!!
Subject: Re: sixteen sayd
Subject: Re: to Kelli-Jeanne continued....
Subject: Ecstacy of St. Theresa on British TV
Subject: Re: LESTAT content controversy and so on....
Subject: LUSH IN REMIX RIPOFF SCAM! R.E.M. IMPLICATED! Film at eleven!
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE! -Reply
Subject: Re: LESTAT content controversy and so on....
Subject: Re: LESTAT content controversy and so on....
Subject: Slowdive third
Subject: Faith & Disease CD Release Party this Saturday at the OK Hotel
Subject: Re: LESTAT content controversy and so on....
Subject: Treasure lyrics (Re: LESTAT content controversy)
Subject: Re: Treasure lyrics (Re: LESTAT content controversy)
Subject: 4AD and Warner Bros.
Subject: Re: Treasure lyrics (Re: LESTAT content controversy)
Subject: Throwing Muses, Belly & other upcoming releases
Subject: Re: sixteen sayd
Subject: This Mortal Coil
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:05:03 -0500
thank you thank you thank you....
to all the people who helped me with
my thirst for red house painters knowledge..
i have had down colorful hill for about a
month, and im just starting to get into
it... all the songs are _excellent_,
i have _red house painters (rollercoaster)_
but have yet to dive fully into it...
one thing at a time you know? that one is next...
as for my slowdive _blue day_ cd, WOW!
does anyone else miss those days when
all you could hear were thick harmonies,
waves of guitar, and pure sonic bliss?
(ie JFaD and everything before)...
thanks to whoever posted the info on
the new album, im sosooooossoosooo
excited!
does anyone think neil halstead looks
like peter murphy?
and kevin bacon! maybe if they had a kid
it would look like neil...
also does anyone know if those movie soundtracks
are available in the US, and if not, then where...
and of all the bands ive ever heard, i think that
simon is THE greatest drummer ive ever heard,
(maybe with the exception of nick mason
(pink floyd) when he was prime, he just is drums
now, rather than the instrument he used to be.--
someone told me that roger waters was so good
at making people feeling inferior and belittling
that both nick mason and richard wright lost
their edge, and cant really play as well as
they used to. i can fathom that...) simon is
just so percussive andfull rather than just
stright "drums"....
he is a big part of slowdive's incredibleness (is
that a word) just thought i would babble...
{?}
what is everyones favorite v23/vaughnnie o.
album/ep/single/whatever picture/s? if you
want, include it at the end of your messages
so as not to cause a large one-liner influx...
hope all you cats have a cool thanksgiving and stuff...
kiss the kiddies for meh....
later
--->spiral
[email protected]
(teehe)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:39:56 GMT
22 Nov 1994 18:22:34 -0800
Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock wrote:
>>From Thad:
>
>>So on to the whole point of this damn post:
>>Again Simon sez:
>>
>>> As for His Name Is Alive, this is another group that's got worse (I once cam
>>> across a group that got better with time but I can't remember who it was).
>Well, if you want to get away from thislisty bands, I think Pigface is
>definitely getting better with time. And if you thought Killing Joke was
>good live (as your next paragraph said), go see them on this tour.
I can't speak for Pigface but Killing Joke (imho) really blanded out when they
started to produce stuff like "Love Like Blood". I must admit I've been
pleasantly surprised by their recent stuff but it's not a patch (again imho) on
the "Wardance"/"Follow The Leader" KJ I used to know.
>I think most people would agree that the Cocteau
>Twins definitely improved over the course of their first three albums (from
>Garlands to Head Over Heels to Treasure).
Yeah, I have to pretty much agree with this (though I can't tell which of "Head
Over Heels" and "Treasure" I prefer more). But haven't they gone downhill
since (ok, ok, imho)!!
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:09:22 -0700
First, Not Drowning, Waving has been compared to 4ad bands in the past.
This is the argument I am using to post info about NDW on the 4ad list.
Not Drowning, Waving will have a new cd out. The title is "Hammer Over
The Anvil". It is a soundtrack to a australian film recorded in 1992.
The cd will be released on the same label as the "Proof" soundtrack,
Rogues Gallery. The cd features the horn section from Hunters &
Collectors. If the cd is on par with "Proof", it should be fantastic.
If anyone wants more infor how to order "Hammers", please send me
e-mail.
end
kdc
Kirk D. Colton
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:03:33 -0600
|The Sixteen Days / Gathering Dust 12" was the first This Mortal
|Coil release and it features the song that got This Mortal
|Coil started in the first place: a combination of the two
|Modern English songs Sixteen Days and Gathering Dust. Modern
|English didn't want to record it themselves, so Ivo started
|This Mortal Coil.
This is a great release, quite different from later TMC full-lengths.
Does anyone know if it is "rare" or what a good condition used copy
would be worth? Reply via personal e-mail rather than clog list.
thx,
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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 14:32:31 -0500
In message Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:26:05 -0600,
kendal obermeyer
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:55:06 GMT
This is probably only of interest to British list members...
I noticed last night that channel 4 are repeating the "Extreme East" series
about East European arts etc. It was this program that gave me my first taste
of EoST, a few years back, well before they had records available in the UK. I
remember being blown away by what they were doing and dashing off to Rough
Trade to find some of their records. Nothing doing (for a few months at
least)!
Anyway, if you're interested in *early* EoST (eg. Sussurate) you might like to
keep an eye on the program, which goes out at 1.35 on Wednesday mornings (ie.
late Tuesday night). Last night they featured Laibach.
Simon
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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:23:52 -0500
Regarding the CT song "Ivo" -- I have a bootleg of some Peel Sessions from
1984 which include this song and 2 others from "Treasure". This was re-
corded before the LP was released, and the song titles were different.
John Peel refers to the song we all know as "Ivo" as "Pink Bow". So, do
you suppose she's singing "Pink bow"?
I've found that the best way to train yourself vocally is to learn to sing
with either Liz or Lisa. If you can sing note-for-note with all the in-
flections along with any of their recordings, you're doing just fine. I
learned to stretch my male baritone range quite well and strengthened the
hell out of my vocal chords by singing along with the LP "Blue Bell Knoll"
a few hundred times. :) "Within the Realm of A Dying Sun" is perhaps the
best Lisa G. vocals I've ever heard.
As for that Lestat business -- I agree with whoever considers it a big
joke. It DOES sound almost exactly like a passage from the book which
describes Lestat's first live performance with his band. Let's hope that
if Hollywood decides to make "The Vampire Lestat" into a film, they defy
tradition and find a more erotic, European, and (not to mention) TALENTED
actor to play the role. Tom Cruise simply lacks finesse, and he is
completely unable to create believable characters that lie outside the
realm of fighter pilots and race-car drivers. I thought he was ok in
"Legend", though. Does anyone else out there feel that Julian Sands
might have been a better choice? (In spite of "Boxing Helena").....
I look forward to the Director's Cut of "Interview..." which is due out
in February and is supposed to be 3 hrs and 20 minutes long.
'nuff fer now.
Mike
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 10:47:16 -0800
As the ever-diligent Keeper of the Lush Discography*, I sat down
last night to compare the album version of "When I Die" with
the Scott Litt (R.E.M.'s producer) remix. In early interviews,
Emma had mentioned that Litt had done a remix of said
song, perhaps to be released on a future single from _Split_.
However, now that it looked like no third single would be had,
I feared this would never see the light of day (or more personally,
see the laser of my CD player! :-)
However, said remix showed up on a promo CD (see discog) and
thanks to Jeff Gayton, I scored a copy. So last night, I
played the album version. Then the remix. Hmmmm... Reality
checks the liner notes of the album... no mention of
Scott Litt. Reality checks the promo CD... quite clearly
says "Remixed by Scott Litt". Reality listens to the
two songs again. Hmmmm... both clock in at _exactly_ 4:18.
Something odd going on here.
I won't bore you with the continued blow-by-blow. After another
1/2 hour that involved recording randomly-selected 15 second
snippets from each song onto a tape and then listening to
alternatively to pieces of one version followed by an identical
section of the the other, I discover that the two songs do
indeed differ, but WHAT A RIPOFF. As it turns out, Litt's
remix is just that, a literal "remix". All he's done is
twiddle the relative volume levels of the various instrument
tracks. And not even very obviously. Oh yeah, and he moved
the strings from the left track to the right track. Big whoop.
The song hasn't been "edited" one iota. What I wanna know is
How Much Did He Get Paid for this "Remix"? People get paid
for this shit? My grandmother could remix a song better
than this!
"Mr. Litt! Mr. Litt! Will you pleeease remix our song?"
"Why sure little darlin'!"
(Litt enters studio, listens to recording on his headphones.)
(thinking to himself): "Hmmmm... sounds fine to me."
(Changes nothing.)
"Yes, M'amm. That'll be a Gazillion dollars... and don't forget
to credit me as the "Remixer""
Sheeesh!
Reality
* BTW, there's now a Lush Homepage of sorts. Point your favorite browser at:
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:14:23 -0800
Actually, there is an older version of the FAQ that I did a while
ago on EYESORE, http://www.evo.org/eyesore.html. I've been meaning
to update a version of this for a while now, maybe I can over
the holidays.
-peyton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Excerpts from internet.listserv.4ad-l: 7-Nov-94 HELP PLEASE! by
> jOHN [email protected]
> > Once again, could someone please send me the 4AD-FAQ? I need
> the "how to
> > subscribe info off of it... My twee lil brother-grimm wants to
> subscribe...
> > Just imagine... another yOCHIM on the list, such bliss.
>
> Strangely enough, this information is accidentally available on
> WWW because of my experimental 4ad-l archive. If you have access
> to a web viewer, try connecting to:
>
> http://www.evo.org/4ad-l/1994-11-03.html
>
> and that should show you the FAQ along with some other junk. You
> should be able to save it. Eventually, I'll try to make it
> available in a neater form somewhere on www.evo.org. . .
>
> --- Erikas
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
C h a r l e s P e y t o n T a y l o r
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The opinions and views expressed ** even though we're on our
own,
are my own and do not reflect ** we are never all alone,
Those of the Naval PostGraduate School ** when we are singing,
singing.
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:24:09 EST
22 Nov 1994 20:08:47 EST." <[email protected]>
>With Lisa, there's
>always a chance (not much of a chance, but still a chance) that the person
>you're talking to speaks Old High German or Ancient Celtic or some other
>such language and can catch you faking it....
Wait a minute, are we sure she actually sings in languages (aside: are they
dead languages, meaning no pronunciation available?) I've always
suspected/heard
about different DCD languages, but haven't heard authoritatively, i.e. someone
saying, "yes, here she sings in Old German, and she's singing about two lovers
who..."
I'm not up on all the interviews etc, please enlighten me.
Matt
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:35:00 PST
regarding lisa gerrard's singing:
> Wait a minute, are we sure she actually sings in languages (aside: are they
> dead languages, meaning no pronunciation available?)
i heard she will use some words from different languages but will often just
make up some word or sound that sounds good and fits in with the rest of the
music.
silaS marreD
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:45:06 -0600
The earlier post from the Slowdive newsletter; did they say
when the new one would be released *in the U.S.* ????
Who is releasing it?
___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:52:06 TZ
For those of you who happen to be (or will be) in Seattle this weekend:
| Faith & Disease will be releasing their second full-length CD,
| "Fortune His Sleep" this Saturday November 26 at the OK Hotel.
| Cover is $6. Their debut CD, "Beauty & Bitterness" is now
| in its second pressing.
|
| Their music has etheral female vocals and extremely eclectic collection
| of music. CDs will be available at the show for $10. T-Shirts will be
| available as well.
|
| Openning the show will be Blue Faces and Rick Sabo.
|
| The OK Hotel is located under the Alaskan Way viaduct in
| pioneer square at 212 Alaskan Way S (ph. 621-7903) and is now
| (very unfortunately) a 21 & over venue.
For those not in Seattle, you can hear two FAD tracks on Projekt's "Of
These Reminders", or order either FAD disk from Projekt or directly
from ($12 ppd.):
Ivy Records
P.O. 2721
Seattle, WA 98111-2721
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:00:20 -0800
>>With Lisa, there's
>>always a chance (not much of a chance, but still a chance) that the person
>>you're talking to speaks Old High German or Ancient Celtic or some other
>>such language and can catch you faking it....
>
>Wait a minute, are we sure she actually sings in languages (aside: are they
>dead languages, meaning no pronunciation available?) I've always
> suspected/heard
>about different DCD languages, but haven't heard authoritatively, i.e. someone
>saying, "yes, here she sings in Old German, and she's singing about two lovers
>who..."
I could be wrong, and probably am, but what I'd heard is that she uses
words and phrases from a variety of different languages, both dead and
alive; when it sounds like nonsense syllables it is, but when it sounds
sort of like words, it's words (unlike Liz, who definitely makes up
syllables to fit and sometimes mixes them with real words from English or
other languages). And of course some of the traditional chants that she
uses are actual traditional chants in actual languages.
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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:59:54 -0800
>Regarding the CT song "Ivo" -- I have a bootleg of some Peel Sessions from
>1984 which include this song and 2 others from "Treasure". This was re-
>corded before the LP was released, and the song titles were different.
>John Peel refers to the song we all know as "Ivo" as "Pink Bow". So, do
>you suppose she's singing "Pink bow"?
OK, so it's "Pink bow," not "Peek-bo," that makes more sense (but at least
I know it's not "Ivo" pronounced "ee-vo," just to continue to poke fun at a
friend on this list, since he's going to be out of town for a few days and
can't defend himself). Since you're so smart, maybe you can tell me this:
does she mention the titles of all of the other songs on Treasure? It seems
unlikely, if it was written before the rest of the album and some of the
titles were changed, but I have a friend who swears he hears at least
"Persephone" and "Pandora," and thinks he hears a few more, and I can sort
of hear what he's talking about, so I thought I might as well ask
>I've found that the best way to train yourself vocally is to learn to sing
>with either Liz or Lisa. If you can sing note-for-note with all the in-
>flections along with any of their recordings, you're doing just fine. I
>learned to stretch my male baritone range quite well and strengthened the
>hell out of my vocal chords by singing along with the LP "Blue Bell Knoll"
>a few hundred times. :) "Within the Realm of A Dying Sun" is perhaps the
>best Lisa G. vocals I've ever heard.
Would it be ok if I could just sing along with a bunch of silly Projekt
bands who sound like Liz but with a much smaller range? That one I might be
able to almost pull off...
>As for that Lestat business -- I agree with whoever considers it a big
>joke. It DOES sound almost exactly like a passage from the book which
>describes Lestat's first live performance with his band. Let's hope that
>if Hollywood decides to make "The Vampire Lestat" into a film, they defy
>tradition and find a more erotic, European, and (not to mention) TALENTED
>actor to play the role. Tom Cruise simply lacks finesse, and he is
>completely unable to create believable characters that lie outside the
>realm of fighter pilots and race-car drivers. I thought he was ok in
>"Legend", though. Does anyone else out there feel that Julian Sands
>might have been a better choice? (In spite of "Boxing Helena").....
First of all, the sequel will be Tom Cruise's movie. After touting him as
the star and not using him much, they'll certainly give him major screen
time in Lestat. Plus, he's going over pretty well with the public
(according to their surveys), even among the goth kids (according to my own
informal polling). People seem to be much more dissatisfied with Brad
Pitt.... I don't want to get back into the debate about who should play
Lestat (didn't every newsgroup and list beat that topic to death when Tom
Cruise was first announced?), just deal with the fact that Tom Cruise and
Brad Pitt will be in the sequel, and take comfort in the fact that Antonio
Banderas will also be in the sequel).
If you want something to debate, how would you cast the second movie (and
the third)? My roommate went through all four of the books, listed all of
the characters, and wouldn't let us go to sleep until we found appropriate
actors for all of them (yes, she's a bit compulsive).
As I see it, the most important question for Lestat is still who plays
Satan's Night Out. I still think Guns 'n Roses would be funny. I'd love to
see Axl giving Lestat a videotape of the Interview movie, and then being
thrown out of the band so Lestat can sing.... Or maybe the industrial/goth
band Lestat that started this whole thread can play Satan's Night Out?
For the third movie, of course, we have to have Nicole Kidman playing the
twins and Jessie, because Hollywood's going to rewrite things and make
Aaron younger (or put another Talamasca agent in) and give them a few love
scenes, and it'll be nice to have Nicole kissing someone else on screen
while Tom watches.
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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:33:22 -0500
As for the "Treasure" lyrics, I've only ever been able to decipher the words
to 'Lorelei' and most of 'Persephone' to my satisfaction. I can hear snatches
of phrases in several of the songs. Liz has stated before that much of
"Treasure" is vocables and nonsense mixed in with real English words and
some Gaelic. 'Donimo' definitely has a lot of Gaelic in it. From what I've
come to understand, and which I still have a hard time believing, is that
Liz named the songs after her cats. Why in the world would anyone have
TEN cats? I've heard of old ladies who have about 120, but I can't imagine
Liz (or Robin, for that matter) dealing with 10 cats. Maybe it's just
because I'm a dog person. Anyway, to answer your question -- Liz has
stated on several occasions that the song titles on "Treasure" are in no
way associated with the songs themselves. They are completely arbitrary.
Speaking of Ms. Fraser and the Cocs, if you check the CT Home Page, you
can see the latest goings on with these folks. Simon is finishing up
a solo project; Robin has been working on new Cocteau Twins material for
the past several months; and Liz is REALLY busy -- she sang a Pink Floyd
tribute with the London Philharmonic, and is appearing on the upcoming
Moose album, as well as an upcoming release with a band called "the Bathers".
Anyone know anything about them (the Bathers)?
Moving on....
Mike
A: Linda McCartney"
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:39:11 -0500
I was wondering if those of you who are well connected to the recording
industry had any information about the impact the recent upheavals in Warner
Bros. is having on 4AD US. For those of you even less in the know than I
am, several of the top executives at Warner Bros. have left or are planning
to leave. Word is that these are the more "artist friendly" people
associated with the label and that many of them have been replaced by
lawyers (God help us!) totally unfamiliar with music. I know that Metallica
is trying to get out of their contract because of all this, and that R.E.M.
may do so soon.
So where does all of this leave 4AD? I know that they weren't too please by
Warner Bros. pushing back the release of TWP's new album. And I'd guess
that 4AD hasn't been much of a money maker for Warner Bros. I mean, did you
hear the 4AD info line begging us to request radio stations to play stuff by
PALE SAINTS? It was pretty pathetic. And I don't imagine LISA GERMANO has
made them a whole lot of money either. The big 4AD bands (i.e., THE
BREEDERS and BELLY) are not just on 4AD, but are affiliated with (I think)
Sire and Reprise, so they might not get much credit for their large sales.
Anyway, I'm not too worried for me because I don't buy the US versions
anyway. But it may disillusion Ivo. He is a big boy though, and I think he
can handle it. Just curious....
P.S. THANKS, BRANT FOR THE POSTER! IT'S REALLY NICE! [I LOST YOUR E-MAIL
ADDRESS SO I COULDN'T SEND YOU A NOTE PERSONALLY.] THANKS AGAIN!
-Jeff
Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]
(608) 259-9084
212 West Gilman #111
Madison, WI 53703
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:15:15 -0800
>As for the "Treasure" lyrics, I've only ever been able to decipher the words
>to 'Lorelei' and most of 'Persephone' to my satisfaction. I can hear snatches
>of phrases in several of the songs. Liz has stated before that much of
>"Treasure" is vocables and nonsense mixed in with real English words and
>some Gaelic. 'Donimo' definitely has a lot of Gaelic in it. From what I've
>come to understand, and which I still have a hard time believing, is that
>Liz named the songs after her cats. Why in the world would anyone have
>TEN cats? I've heard of old ladies who have about 120, but I can't imagine
>Liz (or Robin, for that matter) dealing with 10 cats. Maybe it's just
>because I'm a dog person. Anyway, to answer your question -- Liz has
>stated on several occasions that the song titles on "Treasure" are in no
>way associated with the songs themselves. They are completely arbitrary.
Ah, but if the songs are named after her cats (or something like that),
then it's actually possible that "Ivo"/"Pink Bow," one of the first songs
written for the album, is in some way about her cats, and names all of
them, and therefore does actually contain the names of all of the other
songs on the album. So my friend may not be so crazy after all (but don't
tell anyone)....
>Speaking of Ms. Fraser and the Cocs, if you check the CT Home Page
It's really not nice to mention such a page and not give the URL (even
though I know there are plenty of other ways of getting it and we should
all have it, I'll bet there will be 10 followup messages asking for it).
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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 19:44:36 -0600
Hello all,
The magazine I work for, Subnation, is trying to set-up interviews with
Kristen Hersh & Tanya Donnelly for a feature article to be released in
February. As you guys probably know the Muses should have a new CD out
around January 28th and Belly's next CD is slated for release on February
13th. I'll probably be the deisgnated reviewer soooo ANY QUESTIONS?
If anyone has any questions you'd like me to ask either Kristen or Tanya,
please email me ASAP, if this happens it has to happen soon.
Thanks in advance.
Other (hopefully) thislisty stuff:
VERNON YARD: Low is in the studio now & should have a new CD out in March.
Verve's album is slated for an April release. A new band led by Ed Ruscha
(guitarist on the 1st Medicine LP) called Maids of Gravity should release
their debut CD in March.
Take Care,
Sanz
****************
Sanz Lashley