Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW
Subject: Re: FSOL's email address?
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....
Subject: Re: Boo Radleys
Subject: Re: shoegazing?
Subject: Kristin Hersh tour...
Subject: Re: shoegazing?
Subject: Re: Boo Radleys
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW
Subject: :Lestat (not that great)
Subject: Re: LESTAT CONCERT REVIEW content controversy and so on....
Subject: SLOWDIVE info
Subject: Re: shoegazing?
Subject: Re: Unrest; Boo Radleys
Subject: Re: Boo Radleys
Subject: RE- depressing music/Graeme
Subject: Re: Getting Better Over Time
Subject: Re: LESTAT content controversy and so on....
Subject: Re: LESTAT content controversy and so on....
Subject: Re: LESTAT content controversy and so on....
Subject: hnia promo vid question
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:50:23 -0800
> L E S T A T
> L I V E
> A G O R A T H E A T R E
> S A T N O V 19, 1 9 9 4 9 : 0 0
1. Is this an honest review, or a plug? (That "contact me for more info"
thing set me to wondering.)
2. What does this have to do with 4AD music? God (or Lisa Gerrard, perhaps,
in an attempt to avoid endorsing any religious beliefs, especially
those I don't hold) knows I don't want to start the "goth is cool"/
"goth is crap" argument back up, but I don't really think this is the
right forum for discussing goth and industrial music in general.
3. How much money do you need to fix your caps lock key, and where should
I send it?
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:23:19 RSA
18 Nov 1994 11:13:34 -0400 from Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:49:02 -0800
> 2. What does this have to do with 4AD music? God (or Lisa Gerrard, perhaps,
> in an attempt to avoid endorsing any religious beliefs, especially
> those I don't hold) knows I don't want to start the "goth is cool"/
> "goth is crap" argument back up, but I don't really think this is the
> right forum for discussing goth and industrial music in general.
hmpf...
what you say has nothing to do with pro/anti goth sentiments. it has
to do with what you personally believe is "thislisty". so i think the
argument, if there was one to be had here, deals with what is and is not
thislisty. since it's a vague term, and subject to one's scrutiny, i
can see how you think that the post to which you replied to is not
the "right forum". however, i think it is. so you see, it's all a matter
of what you categorize as "thislisty"...most of the matter discussed
on this list is not always concerned with 4ad. to talk only about 4ad
releases/people/miscellany would be rather droll and uneventful. there
simply isn't enough new 4ad territory to discuss most of the time.
with the pending releases of the new muses and twp albums, this will
change. when 4ad is in a bit of a slump, one either dredges up old
topics..like favourite this or that threads, or you move on to other
areas of music that you, and possibly other 4ad fans, enjoy. really, to
reply to that {and for me to reply to you} is more or less a "waste of
bandwith" and has relatively nothing to do with 4ad either.
moving onward, anyone who has read this far and who is all knowing in
the 4ad catalogue is now called upon to help me make a decision. i'll
be ordering from 4ad soon, and was wondering which mystere de voix
bulgares disc is better..one or two? i was going to go with the first one,
but i'm not too sure...
* k-j * ...if 4ad had a god figure, it wouldn't be lisa gerrard...
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:23:44 -0800
I said:
>> 2. What does this have to do with 4AD music? God (or Lisa Gerrard, perhaps,
>> in an attempt to avoid endorsing any religious beliefs, especially
>> those I don't hold) knows I don't want to start the "goth is cool"/
>> "goth is crap" argument back up, but I don't really think this is the
>> right forum for discussing goth and industrial music in general.
And kelli-jeanne said:
> hmpf...
which is just one more thing that I want to hear her say in person if she
ever actually goes to any of the shows she buys tickets to so I can
actually hear her voice, but that's beside the point. Anyway, she also
> what you say has nothing to do with pro/anti goth sentiments. it has
> to do with what you personally believe is "thislisty". so i think the
> argument, if there was one to be had here, deals with what is and is not
> thislisty.
Oof, you're right, and that's about the only argument I can think of that I
would prefer to avoid even more than the pro-/anti-goth argument. Forgive
me for dragging it up, everyone.
Still, if there's as much interest in discussing current goth and
industrial bands together over the mail (rather than separately on
newsgroups [alt.gothic and rmi]) as there apparently is, wouldn't it be
better for someone to start a list for that instead of using 4ad-l?
Ack, there I go keeping the argument alive when that's the last thing I
wanted to do. Forgive me; it's 4am and I've just driven to the Hollywood
Greyhound station to drop someone off at a bus that wasn't there, so
perhaps I shouldn't be on-line right now.
> * k-j * ...if 4ad had a god figure, it wouldn't be lisa gerrard...
Remember, I am Warren DeFever's little brother....
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:21:43 -0500
> here's what I've been able to find...
> boo up! ep
> boo! forever ep
you are missing the first couple of EPs that are incredibly hard to find:
Ichabod & I ep (if anyone has this and wants to sell/trade it - lemme know)
Kaleidoscope ep (their best IMHO - available on the 'learning to walk' below)
(i think there is one more in the Boo! series...)
> learning to walk (ep comp. - boo up! plus every heaven and ???)
they call this 'their first 3 eps' CD or something like that - still it's
missing the Ichabod & I ep :(
to me the Boo!s are like the Telescopes - a great band in their youth but
boring with age...just an opinion :)
Keith
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:20:53 MST
Salomon" at Nov 20, 94 2:04 pm
>
> Have been a big fan of 4AD stuff for years, and can't seem to get enough
> of the so-called dream-pop & shoegazer sound. Just curious to know if
> anybody out there knows other greats which I may not have yet discovered.
Have you tried listening to Lulabox? Very, very good CD called
Full Bleed (I think -- anyway its their only full length CD) and an EP
which includes some remixes. I've seen them in the discount bin and in
the used CD store. Definitly worth picking up, even if you have to pay
full price. I'd characterize their sound as a blend of Lush and Curve.
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:55:36 -0500
Does anyone know of any concert dates? i would
really appreciate any info.
David P.
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 12:55:37 -0500
This is in response to the Lulabox recommendation. I sincerely apologize to
everyone on the list who is sick and tired of the "ripoffs" thread -- I'm
sick of it too -- but I MUST put in my 2 pesos on this. (No offense is
intended to Mr. Gingerich, who made the recommendation; this is strictly
MY opinion, and I'm interested in the opinions of others).
I originally bought the "Full Bleed" EP upon recommendation of a DJ/wrecka
stow owner friend of mine. There was ONE song on the whole thing that I
remotely liked ("Ivory Hill"). But feeling that there may be
SOMETHING worth listening to, I purchased the self-titled, full length
LP. All I can say is, it's obvious to me why this band has gone NOWHERE.
I don't think there could have been a more FORMULATED CARBON COPY of
CURVE as this! How shamelessly blatant. What's worse, I'll bet anything
that if the band were interviewed, they'd feign any real knowledge of
Curve or Curve's music, and say something like "We
were just doing what we wanted....we really aren't very familiar with their
music at all." Yeah, right. Give it up. Hopefully, that's what they've
done.
In my opinion, Curve are one of the only bands that took elements of music
found in Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine, and even Lush to a certain
extent -- along with other influences and their own concepts of musical
style and composition -- and actually WENT somewhere with it instead of
rehashing everything. I miss them SO much. *sob*
Ok. So, there it is.
Mike
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:04:45 -0800
> you are missing the first couple of EPs that are incredibly hard to find:
> Ichabod & I ep (if anyone has this and wants to sell/trade it - lemme know)
> Kaleidoscope ep (their best IMHO - available on the 'learning to walk' below)
> (i think there is one more in the Boo! series...)
Yes, Ichabod, kaleidoscope... I don't *think* there's another 'boo' ep -
save for the new one... when's it coming out?
I don't think they started getting real good 'til the boo up! ep... some
of the earlier stuff sounds ... I dunno, like early ride kindof? not too
focused mebbe... hmm... words don't stick in my head well after only 2
1/2 hours of sleep...
> > learning to walk (ep comp. - boo up! plus every heaven and ???)
>
> they call this 'their first 3 eps' CD or something like that - still it's
> missing the Ichabod & I ep :(
Is it an album or ep (ichabod)? I've heard both... Yeah, learning to
walk has 2 peel sessions (?) too, right? incl. boo! faith..
> to me the Boo!s are like the Telescopes - a great band in their youth but
> boring with age...just an opinion :)
I don't think they're boring yet... yet...
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:15:19 -0500
This concert review sounds strangely like a bit from the book "The
Vampire Lestat," in which the main character Lestat (who is played by Tom
Cruise in Interview with the Vampire) because in that book he has a band
called Lestat and is considered a star. Therefore, this concert review
doesn't sound like it's grounded in reality, considering the discography
you gave and the #'s of people that attended the show.
David Kevin Sherwin - [email protected]
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light doesn't even notice
it's going so fast."
-Charles Bernstein
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:37:30 -0400
exit
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:35:00 EDT
LESTAT DISCOGRAPHY:
1. GRAVE DESIRES
2. THEATRE OF VAMPIRES
3. VISION OF SORROWS (JUST RELEASED). GREAT DISC, A+
After some discussion on alt.music.house/techno a few months back I
picked up 'Theatre of Vampires'... It was only two bucks and in
my opinion only worth two bucks. Not very original... definently
a copied sound. Production seemed to be ok but the music was below
standard techno/dance/industrial fare. The three people that reviewed
it also disliked it...
Starr
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:47:25 -0400
Greetings,
Let me just say that I did not write the review as a plug nor did I get paid
to write it. I was to a incredable show and was inspired to the point that I
wanted to write a review. I know afew people on this list who like LESTAT and
would enjoy reading it, and as far as it not being thislisty, well just listen
to their music. I think they could easily fit into the 4AD universe.
Alfred Douglas
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 14:51:52 -0800
According to Slowdive's Autumn 1994 Newsletter:
Rachel writes, "We have finally finished our third album, which is yet to be
given a name! The release date is January 30th, 1995."
"J's Heaven", "Visions of La", "Cranium" and "All Of Us"
"We are also planning on doing a cover of "4th Of July" (Galaxie 500), for
a tribute CD being released by Elefant Records in Spain. I'm not sure at this
point in time when this is due to be released!"
Slowdive has also done the soundtrack for Forest Wise's film, "I Am The
Elephant & U Are The Mouse". Forest and Neil are planning on collaborating on
a new project from conception to completion which Rachel says that "we will
score the music for". She also mentions that "we are contributing some songs
to a new film, directed by Greg Akari." The title is "The Doom Generation"
which Rachel describes as "an edgy road flick". Akari has previously directed
"Totally Fucked Up" and "The Living End". The film will be released in about
a year with the soundtrack being issued domestically on American Recordings.
"The next newsletter will be in the spring so all that remains for us to say
is have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!"
Best wishes,
Neil, Christian, Rachel, Nick and Ian
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:24:08 MST
Cut Off an Ear" at Nov 22, 94 12:55 (noon)
Well, I understand that some of you think Lulabox sounds just like
Curve, and, I don't mind. I can't get enough of Curve, and now
probably won't ever hear anything new from them again, so I don't mind
if Lulabox hasn't invented something new. I like the way they sound.
Now having said that I'll agree that their lack of imagination is
probably one reason they have not gone anywhere. Too bad. I would like to
see them live and hear more from them.
This discussion reminds me of a similar one I had several years ago about
an album from Joni Mitchell. A friend complained that the entire album
sounded the same song after song after song. I was too chicken to tell
him, "Yeah, so what? I like that sound and therefore don't mind listening
to an entire album of it."
Oh well. Everybody has different tastes.
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:40:25 -0500
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:18:55 U
Mail*Link(r) SMTP RE: depressing music/Graeme Revell
the soundtrack from "Bram Stoker's Dracula" is excellent: brooding,
dark and ominous. i forget the name of the composer, but i think he is
slavic. skip the Annie Lennox track which closes the disc, tho.
someone mentioned Graeme Revell and his soundtracks...
Some of the best work that Graeme Revell created was made between the
demise of SPK and the rise of his hollywood soundtrack career.
"Musique Brut" was recently reissued on Mute and combines most of his
"The Insect Musicians" & "Necropolis, Amphibians, and Reptiles" on one
CD with an extensive booklet.
"the insect musicians" are compositions and arrangements Revell constructed
from samples of insects he found in the BBC archives.
"Necropolis..." consists of Revell's interpretations of the music of
Adolf Wolfi.
great stuff for revell fans.
brendan
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:22:34 -0800
>From Thad:
>So on to the whole point of this damn post:
>Again Simon sez:
>
>> As for His Name Is Alive, this is another group that's got worse (I once came
>> across a group that got better with time but I can't remember who it was).
>
>Well, one exmple I can think of is the Legendary Pink Dots. Though I
>like the early albums, it wasn't until Island of Jewels that they hit
>their peak (IMO of course). And I think pretty much everything through
>Maria Dimension is great. Feel free to disagree with me, flame me whatever.
>I know this isn't very thislisty.
Well, if you want to get away from thislisty bands, I think Pigface is
definitely getting better with time. And if you thought Killing Joke was
good live (as your next paragraph said), go see them on this tour. Although
I can't guarantee you'll have as good a time as I did (how many people get
to have Chris Connelly fall on their head in the middle of a song? or have
Genesis come up and remember them and say hi and kiss the their friend at
exactly 23:23, making her swoon and declare that she'll never wash any of
the rings she was wearing again [despite the somewhat... well... Genesisy
smell that Mr. P Orridge always leaves behind wherever he goes]?), they
were great live.
I can name dozens of industrial bands that got better through time. Getting
a bit more thislisty, Fields of the Nephilim not only improved through
time, but became somewhat thislisty by the later albums. And getting about
as thislisty as possible, I think most people would agree that the Cocteau
Twins definitely improved over the course of their first three albums (from
Garlands to Head Over Heels to Treasure).
I could go on, but I have to spend the rest of the night passing out
thousands of fliers, so I'll go now.
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:51:19 -0800
> > * k-j * ...if 4ad had a god figure, it wouldn't be lisa gerrard...
ok..4ad's god figure is not lisa, not ivo {sorry jon} and not warren
{god? no. tall, talented geek? yes.}. 4ad's god figure, if one was
to be had, is v23. not vaughan, but the entire collective of artists.
*k-j* ...yes...it is possible to sing along w/lisa gerrard & liz fraser...
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:00:45 -0600
> *k-j* ...yes...it is possible to sing along w/lisa gerrard & liz fraser...
Hey I do it all the time...
I once had a Significant Other ask me, "How the hell do you know what she's
singing?!?"
I lied. "I've got a lyric sheet."
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