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Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 00:40:42 -0500
From: Todd Sanders (TS61822@AOL.COM)
Subject: depressing spew
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:26:05 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Swervedriver
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:20:06 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:27:34 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted (meee too)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:35:26 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: :happiness: .... aka,
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 00:13:24 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: dcd. los ang. movie. theatre.
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:03:52 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Attention Helen and Andre!!
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:44:53 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: topics
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:26:14 -0500
From: Rick Vermunt (rickverm@GREX.CYBERSPACE.ORG)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:45:48 -0700
From: "sadly however, not a trace of the bat was found" (NMARSHALL%
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:48:58 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bryan Ferry
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:24:04 -0800
From: Greywolf (rannster@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: sigs and one-liners
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:26:10 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Swervedriver
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:46:13 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted but I imagine the law of diminishing
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 05:09:27 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Swervedriver
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:54:59 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: With all the CT talk...
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:42:31 -0800
From: Fun Gus (queso@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: a pleasant request
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 19:18:53 -0500
From: Mikelle M Besemer (besemerm@STUDENT.MSU.EDU)
Subject: More banter about CT & DCD
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 00:40:42 -0500
From: Todd Sanders (TS61822@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted


i would nominate in this world by cindytalk

and

the world of skin by michael gira and jarboe comprising the albums bloo women
and roses  and  shame humility and revenge


todd sanders

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:26:05 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: depressing spew


The trouble is we're talking about two different things here. Good music
can launch you into all sorts of moods, some of them unpleasant, but
still enjoyable or you wouldn't listen to the music except to torture
yourself. For a sort of depression that you want to bring on yourself in
order to focus your misery or get something out of your system, there's
all sorts of good music, but getting depressed by bad music is like
getting depressed by any other sort of ugliness, depravity, mediocrity,
failure, whatever. You're depressed at the fact of it more than the music
itself has any meaningful emotional impact on you.

Personally, I've been listening to this stuff too long to get anything
more negative than a dark thrill from even the most unhappy and
melancholy music, unless I associate that music with something bad and
depressing in reality. There are some exceptions I can think of, though.
Garlands, the second Heidi Berry album, The The's _Burning Blue Soul_ and
_Dusk_ and sometimes some RHP, early Bel Canto, and Moose can really
bring you down. But then Moose can also put you in a great mood. It
depends.

As for that dark thrill, that tends to come from my great favorites. The
second Nephilim album, early Echo and the Bunnymen, And Also the Trees'
_Virus Meadow_ and _The Millpond Years_, recent Current 93, Medusa,
Floodland, Psychocandy and Darklands, Death in June's _Nada!_, The
Legendary Pink Dots' _Island of Jewels_ and _Any Day Now_ ...and of
course the second Cult album Love, and any Black Dog. Early and recent
Cure also fit the description, as do harold Budd and Stina Nordenstam.
Also, how could I forget, Siouxsie's _Tinderbox_...

Since I took an hour and a half to finish this due to a certain kool tv
show and have had time to reflect, my final verdict is in: The most
depressing record I've ever heard is Burning Blue Soul by The The. A
genuinely disturbing and pained album if I ever heard one.


Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:20:06 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Swervedriver


I seem to recall hearing a month or so ago that Swervedriver's new album
was finished, though that wasn't official word from Creation or A&M.  I'm
pretty sure they weren't dropped or anything though; they still have lots
of that money making potential, even if they're on their third album.

kagin
kagin@tyrell.net


Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:27:34 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted


On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, jOHN yOCHIM wrote:

> Dear kids,
>    I want suggestions for the darkest, most miserably depressing music
> available.  So far, every so-called "depressing" band I have heard has
> done nothing at all for me.  Lyrics really don't matter, as long as the
> music is right.

A few years ago, the depressing record i listened to was F. Poulenc's
"Quatre motets pour un temps de penitence" or, four lenten motets.
Later, it was Faure's Requiem (minus the last few movements).  However,
since a year or so ago, the most depressing record i've heard is Idaho's
Year After Year.  It took some getting used to, and it's not that dark
(not as dark as Lycia) but...

Well, if i had had the album in high school, i'm pretty sure i would have
committed suicide.

kagin
kagin@tyrell.net

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:35:26 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted (meee too)


On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Heffalump wrote:

> How about something slow, nice, clean, slightly kooky, not too engaging,
> with cute vocals?  I thumb through my cd collection every night before
> going to bed, looking for something pleasant & mellow to listen to - but I
> can't find anything!  Ugh!  You know, I need something to fall asleep to
> - but it has to be *good*.

I would suggest Ivy or Faith Over Reason.

I dunno much about slow, cute, kooky music though.  April March perhaps?
 I doubt i could sleep to that.

Frente would fit if they were slower, Professor and Maryann might work too...

However, my first thought was the Cranes, though you'd have to program
out the songs with the lovely grinding guitar.  Her voice is very
soothing and cute, particularly when she's speaking.

kagin
kagin@tyrell.net

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 00:13:24 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: :happiness: .... aka,

              Delete This..There Is No Music Content At All

  i'll be brad pitt's nosferatu companion anytime, anyplace, anywhere....

  mmm...what a movie...what a man... :drool:

  *k* ...still annoyed that my mom's friend's get to watch mssr. pitt
      pass out at lame hollywood clubs while i sit here and waste away
      my single & bored twentynothing life reading e-mail...


Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:03:52 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: dcd. los ang. movie. theatre.


  says in the trusty :ahem: la times that toward the within is
  at the sunset 5 for a limited engagement. so you dcd fans who didn't
  see it during avam can go catch it up in la...

  *k*

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:44:53 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Attention Helen and Andre!!


I know I know I know.  This is totally taboo, but I lost the addresses for
these two individuals.

Helen, I found a limited edition gold vinyl copy of "stutter" by Elastica.
please write back to me about it.

Andre, yr tapes are done, I need yr address, ect.

                -jOHN
"I want a cat" she said.  "I want a cat.  I want a cat now. If I can't have
long hair or any fun, I want a cat."


Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:26:14 -0500
From: Rick Vermunt (rickverm@GREX.CYBERSPACE.ORG)
Subject: topics


Hi there, i am new in this list, and I have a question:
When people are discussing bands and so on, do they always have to be 4ad
bands?
Looking forward to your answer(s).
Greetings, dosz

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:45:48 -0700
From: "sadly however, not a trace of the bat was found" (NMARSHALL% OMONA.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted


Literati ORG> wrote:

> Try Swans for depressing music. My favorite song of theirs, "In My Garden,"

Or along those lines, try The World of Skin. Swans beat me up too much when I
already feel beat up. The World of Skin (especially their first album) is
about as depressing as it gets, very dark, dreary songs for lying in bed or
eating cold toast. Their second _Ten Songs..._ is more melodic, not quite as
depressing.

eyb doog
-%n

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:48:58 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted


SWANS are most depressing.


Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:24:04 -0800
From: Greywolf (rannster@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bryan Ferry


On Fri, 18 Nov 1994 Michael_Callahan@CORP.DIALOG.COM wrote:

> >Date:    Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:26:51 +0600
> >From:    "Dominic M. Tolli" 
> >Subject: Two Blue Flowers in Chicago
> >
> >        This has been a big week of concerts in Chicago for me,... Of
> >course, the Bryan Ferry show I saw last night (front row, haha!) was
> >the best of the bunch, but y'all are probably more interested in the
> >others I'm sure.
>
> Um, maybe not! I am dying to see Bryan. Is he touring? Does anyone have
> a tour schedule? Please???
>
> --michael
> --callahan%dialogvm@mcimail.com
>

Me too!  Bryan Ferry has made some absolutely *wonderful* stuff (solo and
with Roxy Music).  I hadn't heard he was touring though (is there a
listserv around somewhere that does this?).


Wishing he had a Castle, like Brendan Perry....


         // greywolf@horizon.wa.com / rannster@henson.cc.wwu.edu //
   "The world is your exercise-book, the pages on which you do your sums.
   It is not reality, although you can express reality there if you wish.
   You are also free to write nonsense, or lies, or to tear the pages..."
                                                        --  Richard Bach

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:26:10 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: sigs and one-liners


> >The breathtaking irony of someone with a sig like that, talking about a
> >waste of bandwidth.  If you consider it, your crude line-drawing and
> >obscure quote actually take up more space than the entire one-liner
> >xchange you rail at.  I'm pretty sick of seeing it.

>         First off, i don't think very many of us appreciate the Beavis and
> Butthead one-liners for many reasons (including wasted Bandwidth, lack of
> maturity, pointlessness, etc.) and we've made that clear.  The kind of person
> who posts that kind of dung is probably just thriving off of our annoyedness.

I said this before, but I'm going to say it again. Lighten the hell up. I
happen to enjoy the stupid one liners, personally. They offer some
contrast to what sometimes degenerates into pretentious posturing on this
list, and they give me a laugh. As for waste of bandwidth, that is what
we are all doing, talking about entertainment on a subsidised network
that probably costs more than you will ever pay for it. What's most
irritating, far beyond any rude remarks or waste of space, is these stupid
threads about what is appropriate to post to a listserv, as if this is
some enlightened new idea that we sophisticated types have to "educate"
the Belly Is Crap crowd, because they just don't get it. If you go
anywhere else in listserv land, it's pretty evident that most of what's
responsible for low signal:noise is discussions about signal:noise, which
always end up with people barking at each other as though somehow they
are going to benefit from it. It's clear to me that the argument takes
more energy than what the argument is about, and here it just ads to
everyone's misery. In my mind, if someone spouting "CT sucks" can ruin
your day, you're having a pretty shitty day and probably a shitty life,
too. Just delete and move onto those sophisticated discussions for the
cultured and tolerant folk. Christ, do you people sit up at night writing
angry letters to Mr. Agreeable? Cheer up, calm down, and move on, please.
This group is high enough stress already to piss on what light fare might
care to pop up now and then.

You bunch of yellow old prunes.



 einexile


Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:46:13 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Swervedriver


> Does anyone else on this list even like Swervedriver?
>
>                -jOHN

Yes, but please for the love of God don't tell anyone! If this got out
they would take away my United Warpies of America secret decoder ring.

Really, I was pretty disappointed with Mezcal Head. Hopefully they were
just not used to working without a full band and will get back on track.
There were some great songs on that album as well as some trash. Was
there ever a third single?

 e

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 05:09:27 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted but I imagine the law of diminishing

              marginal returns is starting to figure in some here since i just
              deleted everything in my box except this thread and still have
              130 messages to read

I forgot something:

Leos Janacek: On an Overgrown Path. Distant, sad piano music, can't
really be described but very pretty and emotional. Janacek's music is all
over the film of The Unbearable Lightness of Being, at the author's
request. Most of the music is supposedly about his terrible life, the
death of his daughter or something. Gut wrenching but never ugly. Janacek
is said to have had a habit of banging the same short ideas over and over
on his piano for hours on end when he was writing. I kind of feel for
him, in this way.

Look...jOHN...listen to something hAPPY, ok? Listen to The B-52's or
something. :)


Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:54:59 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Swervedriver


> Really, I was pretty disappointed with Mezcal Head. Hopefully they were
> just not used to working without a full band and will get back on track.
> There were some great songs on that album as well as some trash. Was
> there ever a third single?

What were the first two singles?  I recall a Never Lose That Feeling ep,
 Duel ep, and Last Train to Satansville single.  Ya want more?

There was a british band called Fenn who had a sound very similar to
 swervedriver...slightly punkier perhaps.  I never did find a copy of the
 album for myself. *sigh*

kagin
kagin@tyrell.net


Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:42:31 -0800
From: Fun Gus (queso@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: With all the CT talk...


On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, aLFRED dOUGLAS wrote:

> If you don't like what is being said, then delete the goddamned message,
> it's not like it's going to drasticly alter your life or change the music you
> listen to.

No, but it does fill my mailbox with crap.  I already have to deal with
sorting through a couple hundred messages when I log on every so often,
so I'd prefer it to be relatively crap-free.

Andrew Thorn (aka shit stirrer, etc) posting intentional bullshit flame
messages that no one wants to hear back and forth between his various net
accounts fits my definition of crap.

If he were simply speaking his mind (for the lack of a better word), I
would have no problem with it.  But he is wasting 300 people's time with
this bullshit and it's irritating.  He did it before, he'll do it again.

I say nuke him, if possible.

spw

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 19:18:53 -0500
From: Mikelle M Besemer (besemerm@STUDENT.MSU.EDU)
Subject: a pleasant request

              94 03:42:31 pm

i played by your rules....

now i am a bit upset.



please.  and i am being nice..since the list's messages fills up my buffer
quiet annoyingly so.....


UN S U B S C R I B E   ME!


i did mail the other address..and there was no response from out there in la la
land...


with all due respect....

mikelle marie       besemerm@student.msu.edu


Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: More banter about CT & DCD


john yOCHIM wrote :-

Yeah, and I'm sure he would listen to you, or anyone else who told him he
HAD to get off public access mailing list.  Exactly WHO do you think you
are?  Banter or no banter, your suggetion is ignorant and an embarassment to
everything the internet stands for.  Why don't _you_ sigh off if you can't
take it?

           -jOHN
and i reply......

oh boy oh boy oh boy

just when are these stiffs gonna get the msg
believe me john, theo *is* gonna be off the list come the 1st
Dec...he's moving to th UK you bloody ponce (HAHAHAHAHA).

and you ask who the hell do i think i am *giggle*

well, like i'm kinda theo's other dark half.....he works on the
ground floor in this said institution and i work on th 1st
floor....and when we have nothing to do we read mail from folks like
you and piss ourselves laughing *giggle again*

lighten up mate.....the world's full of serious shit, the last thing
it needs is another stiff

goodnite children
watts

PS In any case theo's such an idiot he got it all wrong, it's DCD who
suck and not Cocteaus...in fact Lisa sounds like a cat who *wants* to
be shagged in a funeral palour, or is it a funeral palour that wants
to be shagged in a cat...oh well, i guess i'm an idiot too coz i
don't really know...lets just leave it as "DCD SUCK"____________________________
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