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Subject: HOUSE OF LOVE SINGLE FOR SALE
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:31:29 CST
From: Kathleen Fegan (kfegan@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU)
Subject: Re: aiII
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:04:04 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: Re: DogFacedHermans- Last Show Ever (fwd)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:37:39 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: nurvusbraakdownn
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:04:36 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: bab-ble
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:34:31 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: eld-dad :eRRe: bab-ble
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:47:16 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: shit stirring/dcd apart?
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 06:16:32 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly (Popolv@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: EXCUSE ME!
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:17:36 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: FSOL's email address?
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:30:38 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: v23 limited edition book
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:07:04 +0000
From: Jon (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Question & Comment
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:30:17 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: butterfly child
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:27:53 GMT
From: Anthony John Bailey (baileya@CS.MAN.AC.UK)
Subject: Cranes latest
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:31:05 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@CATHERINE.CIM.CDC.COM)
Subject: A R Kane
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:32:57 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: bab-ble
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:05:17 -0500
From: "spiral 8')" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: shit stirring/dcd apart?
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:59:48 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: sigs and one-liners
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:12:24 -0600
From: CZ (cz%bertha.DecNet@CHEM.WISC.EDU)
Subject:
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:55:57 -0400
From: CHAOTIC HOLDER OF ORDER (SG12200@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cranes latest
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:09:34 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: 18th dye
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:05:57 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 18th dye
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:43:04 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: Re: Question & Comment
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:57:48 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Subscribe
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:13:30 -0500
From: 94206%TAYLORU.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU
Subject: Re: Question & Comment
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:32:00 PST
From: silaS marreD (IZZY9OG@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: uhm, no and whoops
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:10:18 -0400
From: CHAOTIC HOLDER OF ORDER (SG12200@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU)
Subject: DCD working apart...
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:40:01 -0700
From: "sadly however, not a trace of the bat was found" (NMARSHALL%
Subject: Re: Question & Comment
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:16:20 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: subbacultcha
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:58:44 -0500
From: Victoria Lyn Salipande (vicster@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Question & Comment
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:37:38 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: 18th dye
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:55:28 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: Jo Wiggs / Kate Schellenbach in ADVOCATE
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:20:55 -0500
From: Deb (indigo@UNIVERSE.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: PROJEkT
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:29:36 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD -- Lives apart?
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:27:57 -0500
From: Richard Singer (wk03814@WORLDLINK.COM)
Subject: WEEZER (was) Re: Recent Videos (was: NON 4AD . . . in a big
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:35:07 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad-l via WWW
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:12:52 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Volume 3
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:14:10 -0500
From: Victoria Lyn Salipande (vicster@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: With all the CT talk...
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:09:07 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pram info requested
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:15:21 -0500
From: Vigilante Sometimes (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Germano & Pale Saints...
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:59:03 +0000
From: Ben Willardsen (bwillard@xmission.com)
Subject: Re: sigs and one-liners
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:26:27 -0500
From: BARWIKOWSKI (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)

Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:31:29 CST
From: Kathleen Fegan (kfegan@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU)
Subject: HOUSE OF LOVE SINGLE FOR SALE


I have the following single for sale by the House of Love.  I accept
checks or money orders in US Dollars or UK Pounds.  The listed price
includes postage & handling (via regular post) within the continental US.

FORMAT/TITLE/CAT #/NOTES/COUNTRY OF ORIGIN/PRICE

7"/House of Love: I don't Know Why I Love You/HOLG2/This is a limited
numbered edition gatefold with b-side Love II.  It is numbered
1772/UK/........................................................$8.50

If you are interested in this single, please e me.

Cheers,
Kathleen

kfegan@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:04:04 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: Re: aiII


The one disc version is the same as the two disc except that the last three
tracks are missing.  So its only from 1 to 10 in the same order.  Is the three
tracks worth it.  I know what Polygon Window sounds like and I'm not that impre
ssed.


Charles_Kim@brown.edu


Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:37:39 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DogFacedHermans- Last Show Ever (fwd)


  it was my understanding that the DFH were going to take a long
  hiatus, but in no way were they officially breaking up...which
  a "last show" suggests. anyone know the *real* story?


Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:04:36 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: nurvusbraakdownn


afghanistan at nwnd/nov 15/following a nervous breakdown of sorts

     julian, selll the promos
                  anyone, i want avam on video, mythical rhp24 video?
hnia is boring but not oh stop you just want attention...
   is geek good?              happiness is not bad, the song hapiness
is swank!             see pulp fiction at all costs   listers
what did you think of interview with a vampire

            if t.s.eliot were alive he would probably be on geffen
baruch matir asirim
       (something about blessed are those who help the imprisoned) hebrew

portugese              obscenity          SAUDADE
                         peace afghanistan   NWND@grove.iup.edu


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:34:31 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: bab-ble


  there's a small blurbette on vaughan oliver {and a pic of the
  v23 boys} in option...

  also, the funniest thing i've read in awhile is the first
  sentence in the review for lisa germano's happiness in fond
  affexxions v2.2 {if i'm getting my numba system right}. no
  one else would see it as highly amusing, but i laughed good
  and long over that...

  *k* ...who loves vampires, but hates star trek...

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:47:16 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: eld-dad :eRRe: bab-ble


On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Kelli-Jeanne wrote:

>   also, the funniest thing i've read in awhile is the first
>   sentence in the review for lisa germano's happiness in fond
>   affexxions v2.2 {if i'm getting my numba system right}. no
>   one else would see it as highly amusing, but i laughed good
>   and long over that...

Uh...what *was* it? :)

>   *k* ...who loves vampires, but hates star trek...

Finally, an excuse to add you to my kill file!


 e, who rather liked the last couple seasons of STTNG, but wishes someone
      would finally get off his lazy ass and make a sequel to Near Dark

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 06:16:32 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly (Popolv@AOL.COM)
Subject: shit stirring/dcd apart?


First, to the person asking about Lisa Gerrard living in Australia and
Brenden in Ireland, yes its true.  They work independently and when an album
is nearing completion, Lisa goes out to Ireland.  But that may all change.  I
remember when I was talking with her husband, Jack (I know its spelled a bit
different than that Jacek?, but Jack is what it sounds like), he mentioned
something briefly about Lisa getting a studio put in at their place.  So, if
Lisa and Brendan have compatible tape machines, they'll be able to work on
music together without ever having to be together physically.  However, I
probably shouldn't even be talking about how I know the band, or else certain
people here (like STEVE HILL) will blast me for being biased when I talk
about their music (I don't care; I like DCD regardless).

And that brings me to another point.  What is wrong with a lot of people on
this list?  Like all the Cocteau Twins suck; they're eighties hasbeens, or
Love Spirals Sucks-they're Cocteau me-toos, or Belly Sucks, etc. etc. etc.
 It's all a bit immature.  I don't see this kind of
one-line-unsupported-hate-trashing on other lists, so what is up here?

My suggestion:  If you don't like this kind of music, then don't waste your
time on this list.  Do something else with your life (life's short you know).
 Or if that's too much to ask, why not tell us about some band or album that
you do like.  I know its much easier to say 'band X sucks' but give it a
shot, I know you can do it.


Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:17:36 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: Re: EXCUSE ME!


I think they're joking...

Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:30:38 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: FSOL's email address?


I can't remember but it was like:
fsol@can't_remember.demon.can't_remember.uk

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:07:04 +0000
From: Jon (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: v23 limited edition book


I just got my 4ad mail order catalogue *gasp*, and with it, I got an ad
for a upcoming v23 book. This book is some sort of v23 walkthrough from
1988-1994. Anyway, they also mentioned a limited edition of the book (500
ex). This one could be ordered in advance...priced somewhere between 70-80
pounds. Has anyone got any info on what this limited edition looksl like?
Should mere mortals go for the standard book instead?

Jon

_________________________o\O/o_________________________
ceejok        | "Wrinkled earlobes are a sure sign of
@cee.hw.ac.uk |  impending heart attacks"


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:30:17 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Question & Comment


Has anyone seen/heard "The Elephant Table Album: A Collection of
Difficult Music"?  Includes music by Attrition, Coil, Chris & Cosey,
SPK...and a dozen other groups.  Sometime around 1983.


I just recently heard Loveliescrushing and can't understand the point
in adding vocals.  It is like MBV.  You can't make out a word, so why
are they there?

Timothy Conlon
TJC@VIRGINIA.EDU


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:27:53 GMT
From: Anthony John Bailey (baileya@CS.MAN.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: butterfly child

              digest processor on Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:00:15 -0500)

Someone asked about Butterfly Child a while back.

Discography as far as I remember:
"Tooth Fairy" ep
"Eucalyptus" ep
"Juice" Rough Trade Singles Club 7 inch
"Ghetto Speak" ep
"Onomatopoeia" double lp
"Beaujolais" ep

Its not often I'd give blanket praise, but really, all these are wonderful.
I have a special affection for the first two eps.

The easiest box to put Butterfly Child into are the ARKane school of
dream-pop. Descriptions of them usually involve many metaphors involving
going back to the womb or to earliest childhood. They were signed to
ARKane's H!Ark label, along with their more experimental alter-ego, Papa
Sprain. (Papa Sprain did two eps and a release in the Singles Club. The
bands shared some musicians, at least.) Butterfly Child are on Dedicated
these days.

found the new ARKane album here in the UK. The big stores actually stare
at me blankly and fail to find it on release lists. Am I just picking
particularly dumb big stores and being unlucky? It is out, surely?

        Anthony.

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:31:05 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@CATHERINE.CIM.CDC.COM)
Subject: Cranes latest


Since I've been on hiatus (I moved), I don't know if this has been discussed on 
he  list,
but how  is the new Cranes?  I was able to find "Lonely Is An Eyesore" in a used
CD binn,
I've never seen it before.  Lucky me.  TTFN

kent
kjv@cim.cdc.com
Nice keyboard, it likes to repeat characters.

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:32:57 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: A R Kane

              16, 94 02:27:53 pm

Anthony John Bailey  said:
>
> ObDreamPop: I haven't exactly scoured the country, but I *still*
> haven't found the new ARKane album here in the UK. The big stores
> actually stare at me blankly and fail to find it on release lists. Am I
> just picking particularly dumb big stores and being unlucky? It is out,
> surely?
>

It has been out for about a month in the UK.  The name (as ever) is
causing problems for the staff of record shops.  One in Leicester seems
to think there is an EP by Kane, A. R, and an album by A. R. Kane.
Try looking in the "K" section.  As it's on Third Stone (indie label run
by Spacemen 3 / Bark Psychosis management), distribution may be a
problem - but I would have thought it would have reached Manchester.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:05:17 -0500
From: "spiral 8')" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: bab-ble


On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Kelli-Jeanne wrote:

>   there's a small blurbette on vaughan oliver {and a pic of the
>   v23 boys} in option...

and spin too...
what does the cover of option have on it?
b'bi.
                        --->spiral
                        99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:59:48 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: shit stirring/dcd apart?


In <9411161117.AA10242@harper.cc.il.us>, Melvin Snerdly wrote:
> First, to the person asking about Lisa Gerrard living in Australia and
> Brenden in Ireland, yes its true.  They work independently and when an album
> is nearing completion, Lisa goes out to Ireland.  ...  However, I
> probably shouldn't even be talking about how I know the band, or else certain
> people here (like STEVE HILL) will blast me for being biased when I talk
> about their music (I don't care; I like DCD regardless).

Oooh, ouch. :)
No, why? You're providing a very good answer to a very good question.
The question didn't even involve your opinion.
Anyway, regarding compatible equipment, that's very true...think about how
many projects are completed these days without any direct personal contact.
Heck, even Thurtene came together with very little direct contact. Of course,
they'll have to get together to rehearse for a tour...

On the subject of why the maturity level here has dropped...first you need to
separate the serious "they suck" posts from the just-kidding ones. That still
leaves quite a few, and I think it's just a by-product of the Internet
population growing by such significant leaps and bounds. 4ad-l has always been
one of the most helpful, articulate, and intelligent lists on the net, so even
the recent rash of non-articles and baiting has merely dropped the level to
average. We're experienced enough to know that the best thing to do is ignore
it, because it does go away.
-shill


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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:12:24 -0600
From: CZ (cz%bertha.DecNet@CHEM.WISC.EDU)
Subject: sigs and one-liners


        Gnome suggested:

>> P.S. Enough of the "you suck" type one liners, its a waste of fucking
>> bandwith and really irratating. I have not (as of yet) heard any CT music,
>> so my opionon is unbiased and just tired of down loading shit on a 24 modem
>>
>>     +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+
>>     |   _____     |  Gnome                         | She called me      |
>>     |  ( o o )    |  adrian.sevitz@digtec.co.za    | from the corner    |
>>     |  (__v__)    |  P.O.Box 786782                | of a song I never  |
>>     |     |       |  Sandton                       | liked.             |
>>     |  *--+--*    |  2146                          |                    |
>>     |     |       |  South Africa                  |     The            |
>>     |   _/ \_     |                                |     Drovers        |
>>     +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+
>> ---
>>  . SPEED 1.40 [NR] . Human kind cannot bear very much reality - T.S.Elliot
>>
>> ----
>> -~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+- Digitec Online +-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_
>> -+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~- South Africa _-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~
>>

    Matthew Kirkcaldie  reacted:

>The breathtaking irony of someone with a sig like that, talking about a
>waste of bandwidth.  If you consider it, your crude line-drawing and
>obscure quote actually take up more space than the entire one-liner
>xchange you rail at.  I'm pretty sick of seeing it.

        First off, i don't think very many of us appreciate the Beavis and
Butthead one-liners for many reasons (including wasted Bandwidth, lack of
maturity, pointlessness, etc.) and we've made that clear.  The kind of person
who posts that kind of dung is probably just thriving off of our annoyedness.
        Secondly, there are better ways of telling someone to shorten their
.sig.  I would much rather see everyone have a long .sig than have every other
post be a Beavis and Butthead retortathon one-liner.
        Lastly, since when was T. S. Elliot obscure????  (And gnome, you really
ought to give the cocteau twins at least a listen--try Treasure)

                                -cz



Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:55:57 -0400
From: CHAOTIC HOLDER OF ORDER (SG12200@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU) --Boundary (ID V+tdOD16OIF8HcZcTP5xQQ)--

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:09:34 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cranes latest


> Since I've been on hiatus (I moved), I don't know if this has been discussed o
 the  list,
> but how  is the new Cranes?

It's pretty good.  They seem to be progressing... sloooooowly.  I
listened to it straight through a few days...

Then I got Grenadine...

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:05:57 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: 18th dye


the radio station i dj at has a 7 inch single of 18th dye's "dive" and
something else on the a side.  does anyone know anything about them?  i am
just in awe...
tony


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:43:04 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: Re: 18th dye


        18th dye are from Denmark. If my memory serves, they have somewhat
of an UNrest-y sound...I do know that they've had 2 or 3 full album releases
on a small Danish indie label, that last receiving great praise from the
Brit mags (that might be an avenue to pursue).  I also know that they played
at last year's CMJ fest in NYC, and they are the one of Yo La Tengo's faves.
A lot of meaniingless factoids, I know. Hey, I'd like to get a hold of a copy
of that 7" from you, so please e-mail me privately...
Mike____________MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU_____________

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:57:48 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Question & Comment


> I just recently heard Loveliescrushing and can't understand the point
> in adding vocals.  It is like MBV.  You can't make out a word, so why
> are they there?

  i dunno..i can make out some words just fine. loveslies are better
  than mbv, in my opinion....


  *k*

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:13:30 -0500
From: 94206%TAYLORU.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU
Subject: Subscribe


I would like to subscribe to your mailing list.  I am interested in the music
industry, and would like to know more about your label.


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:32:00 PST
From: silaS marreD (IZZY9OG@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Question & Comment


> Has anyone seen/heard "The Elephant Table Album: A Collection of
> Difficult Music"?  Includes music by Attrition, Coil, Chris & Cosey,
> SPK...and a dozen other groups.  Sometime around 1983.

one of my friends has it, i haven't listened to the whole thing but what i have
heard is abit difficult to classify or describe... consequently i love it
(most of it anyway)

> I just recently heard Loveliescrushing and can't understand the point
> in adding vocals.  It is like MBV.  You can't make out a word, so why
> are they there?

i remember another projekt band lycia was interviewed by alternative press (?)
and the singer said that he considered his voice as more of just another
melodic instrument in a way.  perhaps lovesliescrushing's singer thinks along
the same lines.  i think her voice adds much to the music-- you could say it
makes a beautiful counter-point to the often rough, distorted music in a realm
where intelligibility of the lyrics is completely beside the point.  does
anybody think that the cocteau twins should have gotten rid of elizabeth
frasier because "you can't make out a word?"

as for the mbv comparison, i thought we were over the"me too"debate so i won't
get into it now...
                                           silaS marreD

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:10:18 -0400
From: CHAOTIC HOLDER OF ORDER (SG12200@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU)
Subject: uhm, no and whoops


--Boundary (ID 42xM9RAfXXaOvI7XZLQv5Q)--


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:40:01 -0700
From: "sadly however, not a trace of the bat was found" (NMARSHALL% OMONA.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>
Subject: DCD working apart...


        During the guest appearance on KCRW during AVAM Lisa said specifically
that she doesn't send tapes to Brendan. She mentioned that they work apart
because two people working on their own ideas in the same place results in a
loss of creative energy. Also, she said that she was planning to take her
family with her to Ireland in February(?) for six months to work on new DCD
material (we can only hope) after their respective solo projects are done.


        Also if anyone lives out in the San Gabriel Valley area and didn't make
it to the v23 exhibit, Rhino Records here in Claremont had some copies of the
exhibition catalog, the v23 poster set, AVAM videos and CDs the last time I
was there.

-%n

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:16:20 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Question & Comment


> > I just recently heard Loveliescrushing and can't understand the point
> > in adding vocals.  It is like MBV.  You can't make out a word, so why
> > are they there?
>
>   i dunno..i can make out some words just fine. loveslies are better
>   than mbv, in my opinion....

Gawsh, I still don't think loveliescrushing sounds like MBV... some of
the guitar sounds are *vaguely* similar, but the songs aren't...

Do you mean you can't hear the vocals (how could you be saying this
then...) or you can't understand the vocals?

heck, I can't understand the guitar chords in some swirlies stuff, so
why have the guitars?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:58:44 -0500
From: Victoria Lyn Salipande (vicster@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: subbacultcha


I have been trying to subscibe to subbacultcha, but nothing has been
happening.  Anyone out there know why?

                        vicster@umich.edu


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:37:38 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Question & Comment


>> I just recently heard Loveliescrushing and can't understand the point
>> in adding vocals.  It is like MBV.  You can't make out a word, so why
>> are they there?
>
>  i dunno..i can make out some words just fine. loveslies are better
>  than mbv, in my opinion....
>
>
> *k*


Dearest Friends,

The reason for adding vocals, even when you cannot make out a word is for
an audio effect, and in the case of loveliescrushing, it works. The vocals are
wonderfully beautiful and quite tranquil, besides, I must agree with k, lovelies
is MUCH better than MBV!!!

Alfred Douglas.

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:55:28 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 18th dye

              94 03:43:04 pm

18th dye just signed to Matador, and I think something - either an ep or album
- is due out shortly.


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:20:55 -0500
From: Deb (indigo@UNIVERSE.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: Jo Wiggs / Kate Schellenbach in ADVOCATE


The latest ADVOCATE (11/1/94) has an interview with Jo Wiggs and Kate
Schellenbach. The table of contents blurb says: "When Lucious Jackson's Kate
Shellenbach met the Breeders' Josephine Wiggs, lesbian love bloomed. Today,
the two are your basic couple with everyday concerns, such as managing two
careers and starting a family". The article is of good length, very
interesting (they plan to record an album of cover songs, Schellenbach
arranged "Head to Toe," some behind-the scenes stuff from the Breeders/LJ
tour), great pictures.

Deb/ indigo@universe.digex.net / Wed 11-16-1994, 9:28:50 pm EST / Yarn 0.73
--
"I was not born to be forced.  I will breathe after my own fashion.
 If a plant cannot live according to its nature, it dies; and so a man."
                                             --  Henry David Thoreau

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:29:36 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: PROJEkT


Greetings,

   I just got the PROJEkT boxset "Of These Reminders..." and it is incredable!!
I highly recommend it to anyone who is into darkambient/experimental. I
love BTfaBG and really looked forward to this set since it is the PROJEkT
roster covering various BTfaBG songs, but it turned out to be much more than
I thought. Actually, these songs sound nothing, NOTHING at all like the
originals which is intresting and good since it shows artistic originality
within the world of cover songs.
   The highlights of this two disc set are the contributions made by:
           *LYCIA - 'ACROSS A THOUSAND BLADES'
                    'THIS LUSH GARDEN WITHIN'

           *SOUL WHIRLING SOMEWHERE - 'I WISH YOU COULD SMILE'
           *LOVELIESCRUSHING -(can't remember the track).

    Other great bands on this disc include: STOA, STAY FRIGHTENED, SUNWHEEL,
SAM ROSENTHALL (why should he appear on this??).

Sorry for rambling,

Alfred Douglas

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:27:57 -0500
From: Richard Singer (wk03814@WORLDLINK.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD -- Lives apart?


    Matthew Kirkcaldie  wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Adrian Sevitz wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine told me that Lisa Gerrard lives in Australia and Brendan
>> Perry lives in a castle (cool) in Ireland. Is this true? Doesn't it make it
>> hard to work together? Anybody know anything more 'bout this?
>> Anyonw one what his castle is like.
>
>Yes, it is true.  They get together at Brendan's home, which is a
>converted ex-church and very nice, every now and then to record.  Lisa
>works on a lot of stuff by herself, and so does Brendan, so they can both
>bring stuff to recording sessions.

I concur, from the pictures I've seen of Brendan's house.  They hole
themselves up in there for long stretches of time to focus on recording.
But it didn't always used to be that way.  Brendan and Lisa were once
romantically involved, spending a lot more time together than they do nowadays.
(I got this from published interviews, especially in the _Alternative Press_.
I hate to spread this kind of gossip, but enquiring minds want to
know :-). )

-- Richard Singer

Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:35:07 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: WEEZER (was) Re: Recent Videos (was: NON 4AD . . . in a big

              way)

In message Sun, 13 Nov 1994 15:14:26 -0500,
  Richard Singer   writes:

> jOHN yOCHIM  wrote:
>

> Can you please explain to me what you find so "cool" about this video?
> Is it those _Forest Gump_-type merging techniques?  Is it the idea of
> a '90s "alternative" group dressing up in those suits
> and glasses (which was strangely reminiscent of the Nirvana video
> for "In Bloom")?  Is it this meta-nostalgia, wherein the video exhibits
> nostalgia for the '70s in the same way that the show it includes
> was nostalgic for the '50s?   What, exactly, is the appeal?
>

Geez, Richard, you sound awfully bitter.
I get the feeling you don't like me very much.  Thats fine.
But I can't deny my love for that video, no matter how much you cry about
it, or try to downplay it's wonderfull-ness.
My first dose of WEEZER was when they opened for LUSH in Cleveland earlier
this summer.  And they were GREAT!  So, yes, I like their music.  That, and
I find the video wonderfully amusing.  And even though it is OBVIOUSLY a
"Forrest Gump-type merging technique", it is still very entertaining.
Nirvana's "in bloom" may be the first to do that type of video, but who
cares?  The WEEZER one blows it away anyways.
I really think you ought to lighten the FUCK up and try to enjoy yr life.
Maybe even relax a little.
         love, yr bestest friend,
          -jOHN looks nothing like buddy holly, oh oh
                and his grrlfriend looks nothing like Mary Tyler Moore
                I don't care what Richie Singer says about me anyways,
                No I don't care about that

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:12:52 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad-l via WWW


 Hi there:

I am sorry to use the list like this but:

To the young lady in Calif....Lisa? Who offered the Slowdive boot for trade:

I've made the Oslo show dub!!!!

Email me your address so I can send it to you!!!!!!

--Brendon
==================================================
Brendon Macaraeg
bqm1808@is.nyu,     72241.1735@compuserve.com,    brendon355@aol.com
Writer/Editor of DREAMPOP:
===================================================

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:14:10 -0500
From: Victoria Lyn Salipande (vicster@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Volume 3


Does anyone out there know what the the Breeder's track on Volume three
is???


Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:09:07 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: With all the CT talk...


In message Tue, 15 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL,
  HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>  writes:

> shitstirrer
>
> Why don't you just can it....this is a serious music list not IRC
> dude.

dude?

>
> And if you think Cocteaus are really that shit how about you
> delivering the entire Cocteaus back-catalogue (including the HOLV fly
> poster box mount and the FCC puzzle) at my place, pronto!!
>

yeah, take that!

> yeah, you closet Liz Frazier jerk off.

Yikes!!  Thats imaginative.

>
> TO THE REST OF THE LIST : I'm kinda getting tired of this guys out
> bursts...lets say we give him till the 1st of December to get off the
> damn list so we can continue discussing serious music without his
> worthless banter.
>

Yeah, and I'm sure he would listen to you, or anyone else who told him he
HAD to get off public access mailing list.  Exactly WHO do you think you
are?  Banter or no banter, your suggetion is ignorant and an embarassment to
everything the internet stands for.  Why don't _you_ sigh off if you can't
take it?

           -jOHN

Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:15:21 -0500
From: Vigilante Sometimes (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pram info requested


In message Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:32:54 -0500,
  Susan Curran   writes:

>
>> The Drums sound like garbage can lids sometimes, and her voive is very
>>    chilling.  I just wish they used those guitars a little bit more.
>>  But thats  just me.  Some one compared them to MOONSHAKE once, but I
>> have yet to hear  any similarity.
>>
>
> Yeah, the drumming is really neat - almost reminds me of steel drums. I
> wish they used guitar more, too, and the later stuff has even less
> guitar.

hmmm...

> I'm not sure about "Gash" though, which is the only thing I
> haven't heard. As for the Moonshake comparison, do you have the "Big Good
> Angel" ep? One of Dave's songs on there reminds me a bit of Pram in the
> opening. The comprison stops once he starts singing, though.
>
Are you talking about CAPITAL LETTERS?  I guess I can see the similarity.
Just those sampled parts.  As soon as it takes off, it's different.
Pram sound way underproduced... which is kind of cool... but sometimes I
just want them to just bust out and go nuts... but of course they don't.
And when I go to turn the volume up, all I hear is tape hiss (from a CD).
They could stand to get a producer.
  Would you want to copy some PRAM that I don't have for me Susan?
  Pretty please?
        -jOHN

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:59:03 +0000
From: Ben Willardsen (bwillard@xmission.com)
Subject: Lisa Germano & Pale Saints...


Hello all,
  I just wanted to tell everyone what a great show this was in Salt
Lake City.  They were here last night.  It was a very small show (50
or so people at its peak).  It was absolutely to die for.  Lisa
Germano was incredible with her violin playing, and the Pale Saints
were just awesome.  The Pale Saints even played "Kinky Sex."  After
the show I talked to Grahame, and he said that the Salt Lake show was
the first time that they played that song live in about 3 years.
I think that this is the first time ever I can say that I am
glad I live in Utah.
  If the show is coming your way, I would strongly recommend seeing
it, it's worth it.  By the way, does anyone know where I could
acquire the tour promo poster?  It's wonderful...

Ben


Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:26:27 -0500
From: BARWIKOWSKI (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: sigs and one-liners


  Re: "shit-stirring"........


  One thing: Ignore it and it will stop. Everyone one-lining AND bitchin' an
moanin' doesn't do a damn thing. That's all.....end of tale.




                                     *duhhhh*,
                                             -----Scorpio M.
                                        (the ignorant eavesdropper)


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