4ad-l Mail for 11-14-1994

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Re: Throwing Muses
Date:
Adrian Sevitz
is this letter for you? (avam, slowdive, pale saints)
Date:
pyromania the new alternateen craze
Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4
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"A.J. Norman"
Re: Liz in a Swindle (formerly Derivative / "sucks")
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Robb Masters
Re: corruption, illegality,
Date:
"A.J. Norman"
Re: Liz in a Swindle (formerly Derivative / "sucks")
Date:
Lager Lout
Re: corruption, illegality,
Date:
Theo <130FS4%WITSVMB@WITSVMA.WITS.AC.ZA>
excusions in isolationism...
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vilexile
Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4
Date:
Jason Schmit
The Moon and the Melodies
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Julian Stewart
4AD promos, etc.
Date:
Julian Stewart
Re: 4AD promos, etc.
Date:
HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>
Info on Louise Rutkowski
Date:
"s.majeed"
Re: corruption, illegality,
Date:
Bostick J M
Re: lost CT cd
Date:
jOHN yOCHIM
Re: American bands
Date:
Pat Crimm
Subject: Re: Pram / Laika-n-Cosmonautss / Bark Psychosis
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:55:34 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: boring
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:04:46 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4AD/PIAS News
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:01:17 +0000
From: Huite Rietveld (cheiron@NETLAND.NL)
Subject: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:37:03 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (imagdemo@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: lost CT cd
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:24:32 +0000
From: Lager Lout (cbh@VODKA.WLO.DEC.COM)
Subject: Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:59:40 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: aiII
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:23:21 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:22:16 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:42:55 -0500
From: pyromania the new alternateen craze (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Germano
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:10:08 -0600
From: Brian M Miller (mubmm2@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu)
Subject: AVAM Video Comp
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:18:11 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: aiII
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:34:51 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Flying Saucer Attack
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:48:37 -0500
From: "Sgt. TiBBS" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Cyber Sleaze 11-14-94
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:40:44 -0500 (EST)
From: AdamC (adamc@metaverse.com)
Subject: help me obi wan
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:33:21 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: promos
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:35:13 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: lost CT cd
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:33:57 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: Re: The Moon and the Melodies
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:22:20 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: new music
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:04:44 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Re: aiII
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:43:38 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: The Moon and the Deletions
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:20:24 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)

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From: Adrian Sevitz

Subject: Re: Throwing Muses

>Does anyone know where the Throwing Muses cover for Hunkpapa comes from. >I can find any credit or information anywhere on the album. HR> Hunkpapa isn't a cover. The booklet (British 4AD-edition) reads: "all tracks HR> written and sung by Kristin Hersh except "dragonhead" and "angel" written HR> and sung by Tanya Donelly". HR> Greetings, HR> Huite I know that the songs are not cover versions, what I mean is the drawing on the cover of the Throwing Muses ALbum of a, well, Kinda a outward stunby spoked circle with a sorta caveman painting stile think inside it. What is it and were does it come from??? Gnome Who just got DCD - A passage in time and Kristian Hersh - The 'YOur Ghost' single a discover that listening to the above while studing for that pesky physics 2 final is very abd for the sanity. :-) ALbums are brilliant. +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+ | _____ | Gnome | She called me | | ( o o ) | adrian.sevitz@digtec.co.za | from the corner | | (__v__) | P.O.Box 786782 | of a song I never | | | | Sandton | liked. | | *--+--* | 2146 | | | | | South Africa | The | | _/ \_ | | Drovers | +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+ --- . SPEED 1.40 [NR] . Gimme a Pan Galactic Gargleblaster anytime ---- -~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+- Digitec Online +-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_ -+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~- South Africa _-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~-+-_-~

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From: pyromania the new alternateen craze

Subject: is this letter for you? (avam, slowdive, pale saints)

7 Nov 1994 16:45:46 EST okay let me apologize in advance for this. . .it's late and i just deleted a bunch of old mail that shouldn't have been deleted. the gist of this is that i need to contact a few people: would the fine gentleman who contacted me about taping the AVAM video for me (on a T-160) please email me? would anyone who has information on SLOWDIVE bootlegs please email me (including Curt Tsui b/c you live in texas) would anyone who has information on PALE SAINTS bootlegs (ESP. ones with HENRY on them) please email me thanks in advance, and once again i apologize for sending this to the list. -joanna- recycling--to flush or not to flush?

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From: "A.J. Norman"

Subject: Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4

94 01:37:52 am vilexile said: > > This is a very stupid question, I know, and I've seen a hundred threads > on this disc, but I can't for the life of me find the exact name of the > disc anywhere and I'm not sure if I should order it or not. It's called "Ambient 4 - Isolationism", on Virgin records, and I'm pretty sure it *is* part of the same series as the "Brief History of Ambient" CDs - the double CD sets with lots of old Tangerine Dream, etc. Since vol. 4 is almost all stuff from 1994, I suppose the "Brief History" part wasn't considered appropriate. -- Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball nja@le.ac.uk |

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From: Robb Masters

Subject: Re: Liz in a Swindle (formerly Derivative / "sucks")

> > By the way, Was Liz in "The Great Rock'nroll Swindle?" Inquiring minds.... > I remember A Liz Fraser being in the credits but I didn't think ity was THE Liz Fraser. ________________________________________________________________________________ | Robb Masters, BT | "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't you ecstatic?" D&P SSI BSEC CEC (Gower St.) | "Obnoxious" - Purr _____________________________|__________________________________________________

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From: "A.J. Norman"

Subject: Re: corruption, illegality,

and musical taste -- payola and buying/selling at Nov 12, 94 06:54:24 pm jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU said: > But by buying promos, we prevent them from being played on the radio > and in shops, which almost always means that fewer people hear the > proper releases and thus don't buy them. Here, of course, I'm not so > innocent. The only promos I own were bought from shops where they have been dumped by people who didn't want them - I would imagine that some DJ at Nottingham's local radio station takes one look at "I Love Mekons" or "Free-D Original Soundtrack" and heads straight down to Way Ahead Records. Bands don't get any money from promos, but if the things have already been made and given away, I think I can live with my conscience. I certainly can't see BPM (which specialises in pumpin' 'ardcore techno) ever playing "Towards the Within" in the shop, and I can't imagine many radio stations in the Leicester area which would play it (there's plenty of similar, but more authentic, stuff on the local Asian language programmes). And I must correct Jens's belief (common in the USA) that the BBC is "government owned" - it's an independent corporation, funded by the licence fee. The government can put pressure on it, but I'm sure that's not unknown even in countries with a written constitution. -- Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball nja@le.ac.uk |

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From: Lager Lout

Subject: Re: Liz in a Swindle (formerly Derivative / "sucks")

On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Robb Masters wrote: > > > > By the way, Was Liz in "The Great Rock'nroll Swindle?" Inquiring minds.... > > > > I remember A Liz Fraser being in the credits but I didn't think ity was > THE Liz Fraser. I guess it was probably the same Liz Frazer who appeared in an episode of `The Bill' a few weeks ago. Got my hopes up for a while, until I realised it was a different one! Unfortunately, in acting circles, the other one is probably considered to be THE Liz Frazer... Chris. "If the world was an orange it would be like much too small, y'know?" - Neil'83 Chris Hedley email: cbh@vodka.wlo.dec.com Digital Equipment Corporation ltd phone: +44 707 374325 Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England fax: +44 707 374302

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From: Theo <130FS4%WITSVMB@WITSVMA.WITS.AC.ZA>

Subject: Re: corruption, illegality,

and musical taste -- payola and buying/selling promos 12 Nov 1994 18:54:24 -0500 from Hi all,just a quick rebuttal to Jeff's letter.I am also one of the loony collectors who buy promos and regular release,but I must disagree with some of Jeffs comments.As has been pointed out,these things are free(As far as this concept goes) and thus no-one counts on them making money.It is a form of advertising(Obvious statement)and any band that bitches and moans about losing money while ppl get to hear them should get a severe integrity transplant.As far as I'm concerned,most bands seem to be releasing records for their artistic value,and to get concerned over promos being sold is actually ignoring a far greater problem,and that is recording your friends cds onto cassettes.To my mind this loses the RECORD COMPANY and to a lesser extent the artist money. I have lost count of bands who have said in interviews that they couldnt care less how many ppl illegally dub their music,as long as it gets heard.I realise that one needs to be paid money in order to eat,but I personally cant ever remember a band moaning that they are struggling because of the above.Most of the noise about copyright etc is made by those fat,bloated record companies. I also think that the problem is not as widespreadwith regard to promos.I do know that 4AD doesnt actually make that many.When I enquired about quantities m ade I was told that it depends on the relative popularity of the band,eg DCD Into the Labyrinth had 2000 specially made promos,wheras the Bulgarian voices promo was only 500.This principle is probably the same for most other record companies.I dont see this as being a terribly significant percentage of potential or presale figures. Related to this is the fact that these things are used,and not all promos are sold.Witness how difficult it is to track down Lilliput,and yet 3000 were made. The second aspect is that of the second hand music industry.What is the difference between Mai Pen Rai and AVAM in Joe's Used cd Craphole?The one was free and the other wasnt,but no-one is getting any money from either when they are sold second-hand.If you look at it in the respect that not many of these promos get sold,then the only reason I can think of that ppl get upset that promos are being sold is that someone is making money out of a freebie.Well, guess what!This is capitalism!!! Garth Brooks started bitching about not getting money when his stuff gets sold used,and I fail to see the logic.I mean,I send Ford money when I buy one of their used cars(Dont I??) Keep cool Theo

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From: vilexile

Subject: excusions in isolationism...

Just to clear everything up, since so many people wrote telling me the disc I mentioned is Excusions in Ambience 3, that the disc does not have a new Seefeel song on it but a remix of Charlotte's Mouth. There is, however, a nice boring 10 minute RD James track which I quite like. Personally, I hate the rest of the disc including the FSOL track, which was a big disappointment after hearing Lifeforms. Isolationism was in fact the disc I wanted, I'm pretty sure. Thanks to everyone who responded. einexile

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From: Jason Schmit

Subject: Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4

The two comps you are looking for are called: Ambient 3 - The Music Of Changes Ambient 4 - Isolationism Both are U.K. imports as far as I know. They are considered part of the "A Brief History Of Ambient" Virgin Records series. Jason --------------------------------------------------------- | Jason Schmit | 5405 Alton Pkwy. | | TEL/FAX: +1 714 733-2924/3767 | Ste. 295 | | INTERNET: jason@mtndew.com | Irvine, CA 92714-7585 | | jschmit@netcom.com | U.S.A. | ---------------------------------------------------------

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From: Julian Stewart

Subject: The Moon and the Melodies

> is the moon and the melodies out of print? It might be out of print _domestically_. When I bought my copy about five years ago, it was a domestic issue, on Relativity. However, it's been a long time since I've seen a domestic copy. The two we have in my store are both 4AD-only imports. So I 'spose the answer to your question is yes....and no. -julian-

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From: Julian Stewart

Subject: 4AD promos, etc.

My store actually gets a fair amount of 4AD promos in. However, very few actually make it to the store playlist. Unfortunately, the majority of our customers are those of the yuppie persuasion....I was chewed out by my boss for playing "Geek the Girl" one day. About the only 4AD release the management has allowed much airplay to is "Toward the Within", and that only due to the fact that we were accidently shipped 75 copies instead of 25. It's absolutely frustrating. I'm more or less limited to playing blues and folk stuff along with top 25 shit. All this while 10-15 4AD promos rot in the closet. -julian-

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From: HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>

Subject: Re: 4AD promos, etc.

it's blasphemy to allow promo's to "rot in the closet" my postal address is........eheheheheeheheh wattso __________________________________________________ ! ! ! All those moments will be lost ! ! ...in time ! ! ...like tears ! ! ...in rain. ! ! Time...to die! ! ! ! ! ROY BATTY ! !________________________________________________!

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From: "s.majeed"

Subject: Info on Louise Rutkowski

Greetings all Has anybody heard of Louise Rutkowski?? She worked on the second This Mortal Coil album Filigree And Shadow with her sister Deirdre, providing vocals for 3 tracks. I know she has recorded at least 3 tracks of her own and I was wondering whether this has been released either commercially or in promo form. Recorded in 4AD's Blackwing Studios in London, the tracks are called Hurt Warhorse A View To Collapsing Does anbody know where I can get these?? Thanks in advance.... Cae Lian Dar (s.majeed@uk.ac.strath.ccsun) "For those who like their music studded with the richness and lushness of crushed velvet; for those who hate those nasty, screechy electric guitars; for those who get off on heavily-laden strings and a voice of unearthly qualities... then here, for your pleasure, are the songs of Louise Rutkowski."

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From: Bostick J M

Subject: Re: corruption, illegality,

and musical taste -- payola and buying/selling promos people like Mariah Carry and Phil Collins pay out helps keep them in the public mind (or is that ear?). But, to paraphrase P.T. Barnum, "No one every went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." I believe H L Mencken said that. P T Barnam said "There's a sucker born every minute". Also applicable. Mark Well, I've spoken my peace. Feel free to ignore it or respond. - Jeff

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From: jOHN yOCHIM

Subject: Re: lost CT cd

In message Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:13:25 -0600, Operator writes: > Speaking of lost CDs, does anyone have the '85 Bak2Bak( sp.?) Interview > Picture Disc? > I don't know exactly what it is, but its an album in a clear sleeve, with a picture of Liz (w/ blonde hair) and Robin on one side, and Simonm on the other. I listened to it once, but became disinterested when I couldn't get past their thick accents. I have yet to play the entire thing. It says "limited edition" right on the record. Is this what you are talking about? -jOHN

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From: Pat Crimm

Subject: Re: American bands

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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:55:34 -0800

From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)

Subject: Re: Pram / Laika-n-Cosmonautss / Bark Psychosis


jOHN asks:
>My question is this:  IS the rest of their releases like what I
>heard from "Helium", or is it more like "Blue Singer" and "Cumulus" from
>"IRON LUNG"?

Haven't heard "Helium", but their earlier album "The Stars Are So Big, The
Earth Is So Small ... Stay As You Are" (great title!) has about the same
sound as the songs you mentioned, although it varies. It has one great long
spacey dronefest that's absolutely unlike the rest of their material.


jOHN also asked about Laika And the Cosmonauts -- they are absolutely not the
same band as the ex-Moonshake Laika. They're an instrumental surf band from
Finland. Totally non-thislisty, but excellent surf music. Their cover of
"Mission Impossible" is not to be missed.


vilexile  said:
>
> obthislistyselfrightousflamewar: bark psychosis are boring
>

That just means you haven't heard "Reserve Shot Gunman", the explosive
(sorry) b-side to "A Street Scene". Hardcore techno with real instruments. Or
the song "Hex" from the "Blue" EP, which is an absurd noisefest at something
like 300BPM. Unfortunately both these releases are dang hard to find in the
US.

I find the album brilliant too, but it's just one side of the band's sound.

Now if you want boring, how 'bout His Name Is Alive (to start a flamewar...)


Jens Alfke ........ OpenDoc Mnemonist ....... jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

   "Our soldiers are justified in wishing to bring proper justice to
    these errant managers."     --Xi Ten, Ministry of Economic Reform, China
            after 18 factory managers were executed for poor product quality


Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:04:46 -0800
From: Kelli-Jeanne (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: boring


> Now if you want boring, how 'bout His Name Is Alive (to start a flamewar...)

  yeah...alright..you asked for it...

  :babykick:

  dare to say, even in jest, that hnia are boring... :gasp: REPENT!

  *k*

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:01:17 +0000
From: Huite Rietveld (cheiron@NETLAND.NL)
Subject: 4AD/PIAS News


4AD/PIAS News, 11/14/94, No: 036
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Albums released since last edition:

NONUMBER        V/A: All Virgos Are Mad                             27 sep 1994
                Compilation VHS on the All Virgos Are Mad
                Festival, sept 27 - oct 3 1994, Los Angeles.
                Tracklisting: Lisa Germano: Puppet, Michael Brook:
                Breakdown, His Name Is Alive: Can't Go Wrong
                Without You, Red House Painters: 24, Pale Saints:
                Blue Flower, Lush: Hypocrite, The Wolfgang Press:
                Kansas, Heidi Berry: The Moon And The Sun, Dead
                Can Dance: The Carnival Is Over, This Mortal Coil:
                Late Night. (VHS-PAL for internal (t.i. 4AD) use
                only, not for sale).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Singles released since last edition:

                None
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Albums to be released:

CAD   5002      Throwing Muses: University                          16 jan 1995
CAD   4016      The Wolfgang Press: Funky Little Demons             23 jan 1995
t.b.a.          Bettie Serveert: Lampray                            23 jan 1995
CAD   5004      Belly: t.b.a.                                       13 feb 1995
t.b.a.          Red House Painters: t.b.a.                          27 mar 1995
t.b.a.          Heidi Berry: t.b.a.                                    mar 1995
t.b.a.          Brendan Perry: t.b.a.                                  apr 1995
t.b.a.          Going Home: t.b.a.                                     apr 1995
t.b.a.          Air Miami: t.b.a.                                      may 1995
t.b.a.          Heidi Berry: t.b.a.                                    may 1995
t.b.a.          Lisa Gerrard                                           may 1995
t.b.a.          Kendra Smith: t.b.a.                                       1995
t.b.a.          Dead Can Dance: t.b.a.                                     1996
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Singles to be released:

BAD   4018      Throwing Muses: Bright Yellow Gun                   12 dec 1994
t.b.a.          Bettie Serveert: Crutches                           02 jan 1995
BAD   5001      The Wolfgang Press: Going South                     09 jan 1995
BAD   5003      Belly: t.b.a.                                       23 jan 1994
t.b.a.          Bettie Serveert: t.b.a.                                feb 1994
t.b.a.          Belly: t.b.a.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Concerts in the Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourgh:

                Bettie Serveert:
                Gigant, Apeldoorn                                   09 dec 1994
                Arena, Amsterdam                                    10 dec 1994
                LVC, Leiden                                         11 dec 1994
                Metropool, Hengelo                                  16 dec 1994
                Beest, Goes                                         17 dec 1994
                Vera, Groningen                                     18 dec 1994
                Doornroosje, Nijmegen                               22 dec 1994
                Para, Breda                                         23 dec 1994
                Fenix, Sittard                                      24 dec 1994

                Pale Saints:
                Melkweg, Amsterdam                                  17 dec 1994
                Effenaar, Eindhoven                                 18 dec 1994

                Lisa Germano:                                          jan 1994
                locations and dates t.b.a.

                Belly:                                                 mar 1994
                locations and dates t.b.a.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bettie Serveert has signed on Brinkman for The Netherlands, Beggars banquet for
UK and the rest of Europe and Matador-Warner for Canada and the USA.
Bettie Serveert will therefore going to be discontinued on this newsletter as
soon as Play It Again Sam has it's own Internet WWW-server online (approx. jan
1st 1995). You'll find all information on Bettie Serveert and mucho fav artists
alongside gossip, a full catalogue and Internet Relay Chats-schedules.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Compilation by:

Huite Rietveld
cheiron@netland.nl


Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:37:03 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (imagdemo@CLARK.NET)
Subject: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4


>disc with a new Seefeel song on it which was not on Fracture, plus a new
>Aphex Twin song, I think. I thought this was A Brief History of Ambient
>Vol. 4 but when I asked at ear-rational if it was coming out in the US,
>the guy (Dave?) told me *none* of them had come out domestically, so
>since I have Vols. 1 et 2 US domestic, it must be something else. What,
>then? What in hell is the CD I want, and is it coming out in the US or
>not? Someone please help. :)
>Sorry to those of you on both 4AD Hell and the Ambient list.
>
> einexile, in a MUCH better mood all of a sudden

The double import disk of Artificial Intelligence II has a Seefeel and a
Polygon Window (Aphex Twin) song on it. Could that be the one?  It's worth
having anyway.  I don't know if the U.S. single disc release has those songs.

Jan
imagdemo@clark.net

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:24:32 +0000
From: Lager Lout (cbh@VODKA.WLO.DEC.COM)
Subject: Re: lost CT cd


On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, jOHN yOCHIM wrote:
> I don't know exactly what it is, but its an album in a clear sleeve, with a
> picture of Liz (w/ blonde hair) and Robin on one side, and Simonm on the
> other.  I listened to it once, but became disinterested when I couldn't get
> past their thick accents.  I have yet to play the entire thing.  It says
> "limited edition" right on the record.  Is this what you are talking about?

I've got a copy of this lying around somewhere on CD, which says on the
sleeve that it's a limited edition of 1000 (although I'm not entirely
convinced!)  The "heavy accents" of Liz & Robin didn't bother me
(probably 'coz I'm a Northern git) although the sound quality often left
something to be desired, sounding as if it were taken direct from a
DictaPhone.  It would have been nice if the CD catalogue didn't only
comprise of one very long track!

Chris.

"If the world was an orange it would be like much too small, y'know?" - Neil'83
Chris Hedley                                    email: cbh@vodka.wlo.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corporation ltd               phone: +44 707 374325
Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England                    fax: +44 707 374302

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:59:40 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4


On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Jason Schmit wrote:

> The two comps you are looking for are called:
>
> Ambient 3 - The Music Of Changes
> Ambient 4 - Isolationism
>
> Both are U.K. imports as far as I know.  They are considered part of the
> "A Brief History Of Ambient" Virgin Records series.

Any idea when they are coming out in the US? Ambient 2 came out here
about the same time as 4 did in the UK, but it seems they are speeding
things up some, 3 being due *sometime* soon, apparently. Anyone feel like
sending a full track listing? :beg: *pleeead*

 einexile


Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:23:21 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: aiII


On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Jan Hanford wrote:

> The double import disk of Artificial Intelligence II has a Seefeel and a
> Polygon Window (Aphex Twin) song on it. Could that be the one?  It's worth
> having anyway.  I don't know if the U.S. single disc release has those songs.

Forget worth having. Kill for that mother if you have to. It's by far the
best anthology album I've heard, EVER. However, the Seefeel track is
taken from the Starethrough ep. I also should mention that the US release
comes in a limited 2cd version which was only like $3 more. Great songs
on this also by Black Dog Productions, Global Comm, Autechre, Richard
Kirk, Beaumont Hannant, B12, and Speedy J.

I've seen the sone-disc version listed; is anyone sure it exists?

 e

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:22:16 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4


Greetings To All,

Hello, I am new to this list, but not to the music that it discusses. My name
is ALFRED DOUGLAS and I have a few questions that I hope someone can answer.
First, anyone living in the California area that went to any of the live Lycia
shows and has, or knows of someone who has a bootleg of any of the shows? I
am tring to find more than what PROJEKT has offered. I think the live material
is incrediable and want to find more.
Secondly, does anyone know where I can find CINdYTALK's 'Camoflage Heart' or
'In This World' disc's? They are out of print and I cannot find them anywhere,
and believe me I've looked!!

That's all for now,
Cheers,

Alfred Douglas

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:42:55 -0500
From: pyromania the new alternateen craze (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4

              14 Nov 1994 04:34:06 -0800

>   The two comps you are looking for are called:
>
>   Ambient 3 - The Music Of Changes
>   Ambient 4 - Isolationism
>
>   Both are U.K. imports as far as I know.  They are
>   considered part of the
>   "A Brief History Of Ambient" Virgin Records series.

also both of these will be sold domestically (cheaper) in early '95.
-joanna-

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:10:08 -0600
From: Brian M Miller (mubmm2@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu)
Subject: Lisa Germano


hey all:

         it is nice to see a newsgroup for the label 4AD.  My favorite
person on this label has to be Lisa Germano.  I have followed her in her
career ever since the days of John Mellencamp, Billy Joel (storm front
tour), her own label of "emotional wench music", and then on to signing
with capitol records, who dropped her, then her recent signing with 4AD.
Thanks for doing a good job 4AD with the re-release of "Happiness" and
for the most recent album "Geek the Girl"  I was just wondering what
other people think of her music, and if anyone can tell me a phone number
or address to write to to find out information regarding tours, new
albums, and all other information reguarding Lisa Germano and other
people on the label of 4AD!

                                        Thanks,

                                        Miller!!!!


FYI- she is not even mentioned on the FAQ under groupography even though
she has two releases under this label....hmmmmmm??!!??!?!?!?!?

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:18:11 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: AVAM Video Comp


An acquaintance of mine who does many promotions at many venues tells me that
4AD pressed 50 copies of the AVAM video compilation on laserdisc, and they
sent him one. Can anybody confirm the existence of this promotional laserdisc?
Not that I don't believe him, but I didn't actually see it...
-shill

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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:34:51 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: aiII

              "vilexile" at Nov 14, 94 11:23 am

> Forget worth having. Kill for that mother if you have to. It's by far the
> best anthology album I've heard, EVER. However, the Seefeel track is
> taken from the Starethrough ep. I also should mention that the US release
> comes in a limited 2cd version which was only like $3 more. Great songs
> on this also by Black Dog Productions, Global Comm, Autechre, Richard
> Kirk, Beaumont Hannant, B12, and Speedy J.
>
> I've seen the sone-disc version listed; is anyone sure it exists?
What's on the second disc??
anyone know?


--
__________________________________________________________________________
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." HPL
__________________________________________________________________________

Ted Watkins
fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

"You don't have to call it music, if the term disturbs you." JC

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:48:37 -0500
From: "Sgt. TiBBS" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Flying Saucer Attack


Hello Kids,

Flying Saucer Attack has a new singles comp. out on VHF records.  It has all
the out of print 7"s and whatever else they released only on vinyl.  So rush
out and get it.  I know PARASOL has it for around 12 bucks.

                  -jOHN and his trusty cat Sgt. Tibbs






> fun is rancid...  *k*
>


Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:38:22 -0500
From: Deb (indigo@UNIVERSE.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: Caroline Crawley


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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:33:21 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: help me obi wan


I HATE YOU.......explode and make up     -bob

g bad mail.  who's slingin..................
            hey to decieve.!        james
                                             guhd bii    afghans on nwnd one
                                   peacethroughthis


Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:35:13 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: promos


<<<<

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:33:57 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: Re: lost CT cd


What is Bak2Baks phone number?  I must have this disk!

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:22:20 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.CCSI.COM)
Subject: Re: The Moon and the Melodies


Yes, but not in England, only stateside.  Meaning you can still order it
as an import.

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:04:44 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: new music


k-j asked about subscribing to the nm-list, I believe.  Here's
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:43:38 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: aiII


On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Ted Watkins wrote:

> What's on the second disc??
> anyone know?

Here'sa tracklistin:

 1. Mark Franklin - Release to the System (Beaumont Hannant remix)
 2. The Higher Intelligence Agency - Selinite
 3. Link - Arcadian (Global Comm remix) [Link *are* Global Comm]
 4. B12 - Scriptures
 5. Autechre - Chatter
 6. Speedy J - Symmetry

 7. Beaumont Hannant - Utuba
 8. Richard H. Kirk - Reality Net
 9. Balil - Parasight [written by Black Dog Productions - who is Balil?]
10. Seefeel - Spangle
11. Darrel Fitton - Blipsalt
12. Polygon Window - My Teapot [Aphex Twin]
13. Kenny Larkin - Maritime
...and a scary evil song tacked onto the end of track 7 for a total of
about 15 minutes.

So what's the one disc version look like?

 e


Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:20:24 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: The Moon and the Deletions


        I just received an envelope from 4AD mail order that said THE
MOON AND THE MELODIES was going out of print on vinyl through 4AD.  It
will probably remain in print on compact disc through 4AD.  It's been out of
print for years here in the US.

        David - All I wanna do is take her tongue,
                and I've got a feeling I'm not the only one.


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