4ad-l Mail for 11-13-1994

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Liz in a Swindle (formerly Derivative / "sucks")
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Jon Gonzales
to bran nelson..
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Jack B Huynh
Re: new (D)HNIA?
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Kelli-Jeanne
???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4
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vilexile
Re: corruption, illegality,
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Heffalump
noise and dead defever group
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Kelli-Jeanne
Grenadine
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Heffalump
bye the weigh... {regarding the new music list}
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Kelli-Jeanne
Re: Info sought about 4ad albums
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Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
Subject: NEW DREAMPOP home page
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Jan Hanford
Re: Subject: NEW DREAMPOP home page
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Brendon Macaraeg
vault songs by clan of Xymox...yah or nay
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Bryan M
Re: Recent Videos (was: NON 4AD . . . in a big way)
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Richard Singer
Re: Recent Videos (was: NON 4AD . . . in a big way)
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Literati
Re: Pram info requested
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Susan Curran
Re: The Moon and the Melodies
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missy pepper
Re: Its a conspiracy
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missy pepper
Re: geek the sale
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missy pepper

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From: Jon Gonzales

Subject: Liz in a Swindle (formerly Derivative / "sucks")

By the way, Was Liz in "The Great Rock'nroll Swindle?" Inquiring minds....

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From: Jack B Huynh

Subject: to bran nelson..

since every will eventually know, i might as well say it now. i accidently deleted robin's e-mail to me! in my excitement, i was stupid. anyways, brant, please contact me and help me out..... thanks jack (the 13th month) huynh jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu

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From: Kelli-Jeanne

Subject: Re: new (D)HNIA?

i have already sent out a note to the person who is selling that interesting compilation, and will subsequently order the cd..not just because i'm collektor skumm {albeit, twee skumm} but because it does sound like a rather nifty li'l comp. since pd-m is listed, i would imagine dhnia is yet another off the beaten path "side group" of warren's or his friend's. groovienoiselovin'etherealgeekthegirlie, * k-j *

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From: vilexile

Subject: ???: Ambient [something] Vol. 4

This is a very stupid question, I know, and I've seen a hundred threads on this disc, but I can't for the life of me find the exact name of the disc anywhere and I'm not sure if I should order it or not. This is the disc with a new Seefeel song on it which was not on Fracture, plus a new Aphex Twin song, I think. I thought this was A Brief History of Ambient Vol. 4 but when I asked at ear-rational if it was coming out in the US, the guy (Dave?) told me *none* of them had come out domestically, so since I have Vols. 1 et 2 US domestic, it must be something else. What, then? What in hell is the CD I want, and is it coming out in the US or not? Someone please help. :) Sorry to those of you on both 4AD Hell and the Ambient list. einexile, in a MUCH better mood all of a sudden

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From: Heffalump

Subject: Re: corruption, illegality,

and musical taste -- payola and buying/selling promos > Personlly, I collect the promos _and_ the regular releases, so my conscience > is clear on this point (as well as stupid!). But by buying promos, we > prevent them from being played on the radio and in shops, which almost > always means that fewer people hear the proper releases and thus don't buy > them. Here, of course, I'm not so innocent. Well, I worked in a record store that sold promos like crazy (all the ones we got in, anyway). I agree about buying the regular releases too... I loved promos. One day, I realised that all my fave-fave bands weren't getting any of my ke$h. I wasn't doing anything to support them, yet I sucked the fun right out of 'em still. So now I stay away from promos unless (1) [otherwise] unreleased material (2) I don't know if I *want* to give the band my money (3) I plan on shelving the commercial release (shrine) and using the promo for play... However... as for -if you buy promos the record store won't be able to play them anyway...- I don't jive with that. In my experience, the record store didn't *want* to play the stuff anyway, so it put 'em out for sale. It's not really diminishing the exposure a band gets... n9344881@cc.wwu.edu "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

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From: Kelli-Jeanne

Subject: noise and dead defever group

yepper. dead his name is alive *is* his name is alive. but it's NOISE. pure simple happyfun noise...so you fans of the more cutesy-weirdish hnia stuff on 4ad wouldn't want to grab that comp. like i basically wrote in the discog. about princess dragon-mom : STAY AWAY FROM IT! you'll hate it. screechy guitar noise, good for playing really loud when you're really irked about something and you want to scream along with some music. sort of like grenadine's 'srew' without mark singing... fun is rancid... *k*

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From: Heffalump

Subject: Grenadine

I jus' got the new Grenadine cd... buh buh buh buh buh can you feel the waves coming off my body? Yeah, yeah. Nice stuff. How's the first? n9344881@cc.wwu.edu "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

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From: Kelli-Jeanne

Subject: bye the weigh... {regarding the new music list}

how do i get on that dang thing!? i've tried a thousand lifetimes, and i never can find the correct address or way to sub or i'm completely ignored by whatever/whoever does the subbing and so on and so forth..... illusory *k*

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From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear

Subject: Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

"The Moon and the Melodies" was HARDLY overlooked. I think everyone here basically takes it for granted when someone asks "What have Cocteau Twins done outside their own band proper?" that TMaTM is automatically included. Most people look at it as a Cocteau Twins record anyway, in spite of its delineation. Mike

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From: Jan Hanford

Subject: Subject: NEW DREAMPOP home page

>Hey all you pop music fans! >I am just put up a sneak preview of the WWW version of my e-zine >DREAMPOP. I think most of you will find something here to like. Not >all the review pages are up yet, but you can get a taste of what >I have to offer by setting the URL of your favorite web browser to: >Let me know what you think. >--Brendon Hey Brendon! I took a look at your home page. It's great! I especially liked your frank description of yourself and how you came to be involved with music the way you are. The Web pages I've seen tend to be very cold and lack any kind of humanity. Yours is a welcome change. I'm looking forward to your continuing Dreampop. Let me know when you've added more. Jan Hanford imagdemo@clark.net

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From: Brendon Macaraeg

Subject: Re: Subject: NEW DREAMPOP home page

> >Hey Brendon! > >I took a look at your home page. It's great! I especially liked your frank >description of yourself and how you came to be involved with music the way >you are. The Web pages I've seen tend to be very cold and lack any kind of >humanity. Yours is a welcome change. > >I'm looking forward to your continuing Dreampop. Let me know when you've >added more. > >Jan Hanford >imagdemo@clark.net > Hi Jan: Hey thanks for the kind words. Hopefully the rest of it will be up by the end of November. I am a grad student at NYU...busy with final projects now. Could you tell me what clark.net is? Regards, Brendon ================================================== Brendon Macaraeg bqm1808@is.nyu, 72241.1735@compuserve.com, brendon355@aol.com Writer/Editor of DREAMPOP: ===================================================

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From: Bryan M

Subject: vault songs by clan of Xymox...yah or nay

all concerned afghanistan at nwnd: i saw a non-4ad clan of xymox cd on sale yeasterday for $22.95 it hada hindu looking idol on the cover...some tracks include a day and musco viet mosquito....i think the first half is demos for the self titled coxymox lp it hada hindu looking idol on the cover...some tracks include a day and musco viet mosquito....i think the first half is demos for the self titled coxymox lp.it was called simple pleasures or something to that effect under the name XYMOX anyone who has it....is it worth the import price, ideas reviews all welcome reply on list or privately at nwnd@grove.iup thanks ps the computers been doin some funny-ass things lately so if thiws message come s across kinda funny you'll know why...thanks again afghanistan for xymox peace ps i gave the wrong adress nwnd@grove.iup.edu im sucha fuckup!

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From: Richard Singer

Subject: Re: Recent Videos (was: NON 4AD . . . in a big way)

jOHN yOCHIM wrote: > >I aplogize for this VERY no-thislisty post, but I cannot help myself. > >Last night I saw the GREATEST thing I have ever seen on TV... especially >MTV. > >It's the new WEEZER video. It is so good. > >For those of you who haven't seen the video, and pass them off as shite, >they somehow manage to put the band on a HAPPY DAYS set, and make them >interact w/ the cast... including Fonzi and Richie! It is SO damn cool. >Even if you HATE the music, you should still go to great lenghts to see this >video. Can you please explain to me what you find so "cool" about this video? Is it those _Forest Gump_-type merging techniques? Is it the idea of a '90s "alternative" group dressing up in those suits and glasses (which was strangely reminiscent of the Nirvana video for "In Bloom")? Is it this meta-nostalgia, wherein the video exhibits nostalgia for the '70s in the same way that the show it includes was nostalgic for the '50s? What, exactly, is the appeal? On the subject of videos, I must admit that I was a little disappointed by the excerpt from _Toward The Within_ that appeared on _120 Minutes_. "American Dreaming" is a decent enough song, but does the song video chosen from the film have to be one that completely lacks any performance from Lisa Gerrard? Is Lisa just a bit too unusual for the MTV circuit? Do the people who picked this one feel that America might take more to a video entitled "American Dreaming"? It's a shame that the first MTV performance video of Dead Can Dance that I've seen (taking into consideration that the video for "Yulunga" had no DCD performance footage) lacks the element in Dead Can Dance that I love the most. Meanwhile, getting back into somewhat non-thislisty matters, I loved the new one from Orbital. It was shown on "120 Minutes" only once (following an extremely disrespectful intro from the guest host, that old, washed-up kitsch-monger, Lux Interior), but my girlfriend was thoughtful enough to tape it for me: Orbital wash their clothes in a laundromat, using detergeant boxes labeled "Orbital," and somehow this segues into more heady footage, techno-psychedelia and the ubiquitous swimming sperm. I think this was a very amusing mixture of the ridiculous and the sublime. And those detergeant boxes were the coolest :-) . . . -- Richard Singer P.S. BTW, I know that MTV sucks and we should count ourselves above this sort of programming. But I do like videos, and what other sources do we have in the U.S. -- other than "classic" VH1 (bleah!) or some scarce and scattered public access shows?

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From: Literati

Subject: Re: Recent Videos (was: NON 4AD . . . in a big way)

Richard Singer, squinted in the glow of the television: >On the subject of videos, I must admit that I was a little disappointed >by the excerpt from _Toward The Within_ that appeared on _120 >Minutes_. "American Dreaming" is a decent enough song, but does the >song video chosen from the film have to be one that completely lacks any >performance from Lisa Gerrard? Is Lisa just a bit too unusual for the >MTV circuit? Do the people who picked this one feel that America might >take more to a video entitled "American Dreaming"? It's a shame that the >first MTV performance video of Dead Can Dance that I've seen (taking >into consideration that the video for "Yulunga" had no DCD performance >footage) lacks the element in Dead Can Dance that I love the most. Well, first of all, let me state that I am one of the hugest Lisa Gerrard fans on the planet, and I would agree that she is my favourite part of Dead Can Dance. However, I am GLAD that "American Dreaming" is being presented from that album. It is, I think, one of the best songs on there, and certainly more likely to get mass exposure than "Cantara," which is my other contender for best song on the record. "American Dreaming" is very pretty, and while different from other DCD stuff, I think it's a good introduction to the band. All of the Lisa G. songs on _Towards the Within_ do not have much commercial potential, I'm afraid, even though I may love them. She only sings in English on one song, and that's a big matter to the U.S. I, for one, would LOVE to see DCD become successful in the mainstream. If anyone deserves it, it's them. Literati ____ // \\ () I'll be told that I'm grown when I turn twenty-one \_/ // () But I won't really feel it // So I'll dress up in black and be melodramatic / --literati@firefly.prairienet.org

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From: Susan Curran

Subject: Re: Pram info requested

94 02:27:21 pm > The Drums sound like garbage can lids sometimes, and her voive is very > chilling. I just wish they used those guitars a little bit more. But thats > just me. Some one compared them to MOONSHAKE once, but I have yet to hear > any similarity. Yeah, the drumming is really neat - almost reminds me of steel drums. I wish they used guitar more, too, and the later stuff has even less guitar. I'm not sure about "Gash" though, which is the only thing I haven't heard. As for the Moonshake comparison, do you have the "Big Good Angel" ep? One of Dave's songs on there reminds me a bit of Pram in the opening. The comprison stops once he starts singing, though.

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From: missy pepper

Subject: Re: The Moon and the Melodies

is the moon and the melodies out of print?

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From: missy pepper

Subject: Re: Its a conspiracy

> CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT : Bastards!!!!! England is beggining to sound > like a european South Africa, oppressive but not nearly as sunny!! > wow! i haven't seen any thing in the states about this piece of unbelievable tyranny... only in the brit mags 24seven and Select. i know if alot of people here in the staes knew, they would be *quite* full of protest! i saw a performance piece by nigel roth of therapy? cover art fame (last album) that dealt with religon and violence. it was probably the most moving piece of art i have ever seen! It was an amazing chance to see an international artist in front of an audience of about 100. very powerful stuff. He talked to a few of us aterwards, and mentioned that this justice bill concerned him as far as the violence part went. He's english, but he's lived in Ireland for the past twenty years or so, so part of the piece's source was the atmosphere in his home country. This was just the coolest thing...I know that it's not 4AD but those who like such beauteous music, i think those would thrive in such an inspiring experience. watch for nigel roth.

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From: missy pepper

Subject: Re: geek the sale

Norman Levinson wrote: > i've got a copy of lisa germano's geek the girl cd for sale. > any interested parties please contact me. I want it! i want it! how much will you sell it for? i mailed the list, cause i didn't see your e-address. lisa

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