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Date Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>
Subject Re: Its a conspiracy
Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:20:37 EST
From Ted Watkins
Subject TWP-Funky CD
Date Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:26:19 -0800
From bmilner
Subject Stina part II
Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:52:42 -0500
From Alexander Jeremy Wolfson
Subject Re: Huh! Mag Info
Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:21:19 -0600
From CZ
Subject Stina Nordenstam (sp?)/ fave DCD & CT
Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:54:08 EST
From Ted Watkins
Subject some Cds for sale
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:44:49 -0600
From Kagin Lee
Subject Re: fave DCD & CT
Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:39:15 -0500
From jOHN yOCHIM
Subject Pram and Elastica and the MTV beach house
Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:44:40 -0500
From jOHN yOCHIM
Subject Fw: Laika
From "arin connell"
Subject Laika
Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:26:14 -0600
From Gary Petty
Subject Re: Getting Better Over Time
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:14:51 -0500
From Ryan L
Subject Heavenly Voices
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:41:28 -0500
From Gil Gershman
Subject Re: Laika... last time, I pro...
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:23:03 +0000
From "A.J. Norman"
Subject Re: Fw: Laika
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:09:05 -0800
From vilexile
Subject Re: lost CT cd
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:51:06 +0000
From "A.J. Norman"
Subject Mail order
Date Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:22:46 -0500
From Julie Bennack
Subject Re: Stina Norderstrom (sp?)
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:51:01 CST
From Steven W Hill
Subject Re: TWP-Funky CD
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:26:53 -0500
From jOHN yOCHIM
Subject Re: Its a conspiracy
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:47:00 -0800
From mj_polder@gate.pnl.gov
Subject for seattle area people...
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:29:17 +0100
From Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
Subject 4AD Mail Order Is Alive!
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:30:05 -0800
From Heffalump
Subject Re: for seattle area people... (I don't have the #, but...)
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:32:54 -0800
From Jens Alfke
Subject Cindytalk gig review
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:44:23 -0800
From Jens Alfke
Subject Re: It's a conspiracy
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:20:12 -0500
From Lance Linimon
Subject With all the CT talk...
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:13:25 -0600
From Operator
Subject Re: lost CT cd
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 20:22:42 +0000
From "K. Bruner"
Subject Mail order in U.S. for getting Japanese cds?
Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:53:14 -0700
From Thomas J Mayer
Subject What is 4012
Re: lost CT cd
Date:
Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
geek the sale
Date:
MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN
sporadic recordings AVAILABLE!
Date:
MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN
butterfly child
Date:
MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN

Date Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL

From HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>

Subject Re: Its a conspiracy


great stuff

some life has been injected into the list

PAYOLA.....wherever there's money to be made and the little
man/woman to be screwed, you're sure to find Big Brother and his
lackeys around...a simple fact of life eh kids??

Kinda reminds me of a DK song (??), which they played live on tv. Got
onto stage wearing very respectable looking black pants and white
yuppie shirts..the only wierd thing was a large letter "S" spray
painted on the front of each of the shirts. When the band hit the
stage, they duly put on ties which then turned the S into $...and
they went on singing about payola....ahhh, the good 'ole punk days.

CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT : Bastards!!!!! England is beggining to sound
like a european South Africa, oppressive but not nearly as sunny!!

goodnite children
watts

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Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:20:37 EST

From Ted Watkins

Subject TWP-Funky CD


got an advance copy of TWP's new album yesterday- definately
different than the last- a little lighter- my first impression
was this is St Etienne with TWP vocals- a few of the songs at
least. I might be convinced to part with it for the right price
(there is a sticker on the cover that say's Adavnce copy-
release date January 24th- it is an import).
thanks
ted

--
__________________________________________________________________________
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." HPL
__________________________________________________________________________

Ted Watkins
fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

"You don't have to call it music, if the term disturbs you." JC

Date Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:26:19 -0800

From bmilner

Subject Stina part II


Dear List,
        A fine retort to my review of the new stina nordenstam album was
written by  vilexile  in the last digest. I can't
really find fault with just about anything he/she said so I'll leave it
up to you to make your own opinion.

          I should clarify that in terms of the way the new album was
recorded, I just meant that her vocals are harsher and more sibilent than
on the first one.  Were are talking cheap mics here or judiscious EQ
boosting.  That is what I meant by "smooth" It bugs me to hear poorly
recorded vocals, especially harsh ones.
         Listen to Elizabeth Frasiers vocals on 4 calender and tell me
those don't burn your ears off with digital glare.  Robin got some ADAT's
I guess. The first album is admittedly much slicker but I find it
heightens the "interlude" and contrast effect that
 described (well put by the way). :)

In any case, go get them because she is a GREAT singer/songwriter and her
albums feel amazing to listen to.

Brandon Milner
bmilner@netcom.com

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:52:42 -0500

From Alexander Jeremy Wolfson

Subject Re: Huh! Mag Info


Sounds good, but I wonder about your comparison to the volume series.  Is
it really a quality CD with solid bands and interesting tracks, or is
another CMJ type deal.

Alex

*****************************************************************************
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On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Deb wrote:

> :huh magazine is a supplement to a service called rock video monthly.
>
> I called about subscribing and when I told them I was most interested
> in the mag, they informed me that Huh was being spun off from RVM.  It
> will be a mag with a sampler CD, similar to the VOLUME series, I guess.
> Total cost is about $6/month.  Call 1-800-777-2900 to subscribe.
>
> Deb/ indigo@universe.digex.net / Yarn 0.73
>

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:21:19 -0600

From CZ

Subject Stina Nordenstam (sp?)/ fave DCD & CT


Yes, Stina Nordenstam's CD's are available domestically (in the US).
        Please excuse my spelling/remembering errors because i'm at work (w/o
reference to said CD's).
        I have two CD's released domestically:
The first, **Memories of a Colour** was released by some big label (Warner?)
and is absolutely wonderful.  I would describe her sound as being sparse,
quasi jazzy, with a delightfully quirky voice.  If i must draw comparisons i'd
have to say that she combines the beauty of Bjork-like singing with the better
more mellow elements of Sade's music.
        The second album, **And She Closed Her Eyes**.  Must have been out
somewhere for quite some time because i've been eagerly looking for it for a
while ever since someone on this list mentioned it.  Just a week or two ago
it came out in all the stores near me on some domestic label (might still be
Warner).  I haven't given it a fair shake yet (i was expecting so much),
but i'm a little disappointed.  This one is much more sparse, musically and
vocally.  Still some great songs though.
        One more thing you should know, *Memories of a Colour* was released
under the name STINA (sans last name) so it is likely to be filed under 'S'.
And yeah, i've seen it a lot in the cut-out bins.  The more recent one was
released under her full name and would probably be filed under 'N'.

                                Good luck finding them,
                                cz


4AD artists who have more than three releases (LP or EP).  Especially with
Dead Can Dance and Cocteau Twins, these questions seem to come up pretty often.
We might want to have a vote amongst those who have a significant portion (if
not all) of a band's discography.  Say vote your fave three?  If people are
opposed to the clutter that that would cause on the list some nice person could
volunteer to tally the votes at his/her personal mailbox.  We could put the
results in the FAQ.

to the DCD & CT vote info.

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:54:08 EST

From Ted Watkins

Subject some Cds for sale


I'm trying to unload a few discs- I realize that most of this
stuff is not thislisty but thought I'd give it a try anyway-
there is a Bettie Serveert single in there..

Bettie Serveert- TomBoy CD single $6ppd
Lords of Acid - Rough Sex CD single $5ppd
Church of Acid- Modulator CD single $5ppd
Afghan Whigs- Congregation CD $9ppd
Utah Saints- What Can You Do For Me CD single $5ppd
Manufacture - Voice of World Control CD $7ppd
Harajuku- Phantom of the Opera (Techno Mixes) CD single $7ppd
         -import
The The- Dogs of Lust (double CD single with first single only
        -case has room for 2nd CD which is still available-
        ltd edition (numbered)- import $6ppd
Sugar- Copper Blue CD $9ppd
Smashing Orange- Glass Bead Game CD $9ppd
Smashing Orange- Above Ming Gardens/Not Very Much to See (2ep's
                on one CD-import) $10ppd
Mozart- 41st Symph w/ MArriage of Figaro $5ppd
Beethoven- 3rd Symph $5ppd
Beethoven- 5th and 6th Symph $5ppd

contact fhw2n@farady.clas.virginia.edu

offers considered

--
__________________________________________________________________________
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." HPL
__________________________________________________________________________

Ted Watkins
fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

"You don't have to call it music, if the term disturbs you." JC

Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:44:49 -0600

From Kagin Lee

Subject Re: fave DCD & CT


On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, CZ wrote:

>
> PS:  Does anyone else think we ought to tally a vote for the best albums by
> 4AD artists who have more than three releases (LP or EP).  Especially with
> Dead Can Dance and Cocteau Twins, these questions seem to come up pretty often

> We might want to have a vote amongst those who have a significant portion (if
> not all) of a band's discography.  Say vote your fave three?  If people are
> opposed to the clutter that that would cause on the list some nice person coul

> volunteer to tally the votes at his/her personal mailbox.  We could put the
> results in the FAQ.

Ugh.  I am *not* looking forward to finding forty one-liner or
three-liner messages from this list every day.  How about everyone
mailing their stuff to cz himself?  Not that i don't like y'all, but i've
probably heard it 847 times before this year.

partypooping kagin
kagin@tyrell.net

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:39:15 -0500

From jOHN yOCHIM

Subject Pram and Elastica and the MTV beach house


Hiya kids,
  I recently got Prams "Iron Lung" ep from Parasol, after I was told how
lovely the band is by more than a few people.  I also heard bits and pieces
from "Helium" the other day in a music store in Cleveland (I asked them to
play a little for me).  I like "Iron Lung", but wasn't at all impressed with
"Helium"... probably because all it sounded like was annoying keyboard
sounds (I have to admit that I prefer the Guitar music over the Keyboard
type).  My question is this:  IS the rest of their releases like what I
heard from "Helium", or is it more like "Blue Singer" and "Cumulus" from
"IRON LUNG"?

    For all those who actually know who Elastica is, I recently found the
DGC release for their (i believe) first release in the States.  It's not for
"Connection" like i thought it would be, but for "stutter".  It also has 3
Peel Sessions, "RockunRoll", "2:1", and "Annie".  I thought they were a
relatively new band, but the Peel Sessions date back to 1993, and we are
well into 1994... almost 1995.  Is there anything else out by them?  Did
anyone else see the video on MTV?  I can't even remember the title, but I
think it was "Stutter".

       -jOHN still trying to convince himself that he was at a Mazzy show
             and not at the MTV beach house w/ Daisy Fuentes this Saturday

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:44:40 -0500

From jOHN yOCHIM

Subject Fw: Laika


  Hello again,
I got this letter from my best bud Arin Connell just today.  I don't know
the answer - thus I'm sending it to the list.  Chances are it's an entirely
different band.

       -jOHN wonders where the hell Kelli-Jeanne is!!!

------------------------------

From "arin connell"

wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:46:34 -0600 (CST)

Subject Laika


Uh, sorry, I forgot that I had one more question to ask you.  I got those
Laika review things a couple of weeks ago, and I was just downtown looking
through the record stores.  They've got a new album down there called "Laika
and the cosmonauts".  Uh, well, that's the group's name, anyway--I don't
remember what the album title was.  Anyway, the title wasn't "silver apples
of the moon," or whatever the hell it was that the review things said it
was.  So I'm just curious--it's not the same thing, is it?  Have you gotten
the new Laika?
Arin "still chickless" Connell

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:26:14 -0600

From Gary Petty

Subject Re: Getting Better Over Time


        I too, like the Legendary Pink Dots.  I was waiting for someone
to mention them!  I think they have gotten better over time, moving
away from the electronics and drum machines to more organic passages.
For me, their best album so far is the Maria Dimension, but both Shadow
Weaver and Malachai are very good.  They recently rereleased an album
called Four Days (limited to 1000 pressings) which sounds like it may
have come just before Maria Dimension - many of the same synth sounds
are employed.  They also have a new album out, but damned if I can find it.
        As for them being thislisty, I don't see why not.  I was rather
surprised to find no discussions about them when I subscribed a month ago.
Their sound varies from very cacophanous (sp?) bursts of affected guitar
noise to the most breathlessly atmospheric stuff imaginable (the Orb
and Aphex twin come to mind).  They also tend to be very mysterious and
secretive persons, personality characteristics not unfamiliar to many
4ad bands.  Having not heard anything past 1992, other than some Teargarden
stuff (a side project with one of the menbers of Skinny Puppy), I can't
say for sure whether the Dots sound has improved, but I am definately a
fan of the late eighties early nineties material, versus their earliest
recordings, which again I find to be a little too "mechanik-y".
        However, the Golden Age is a superb album that no one should miss,
despite some of the cheesey drum machine sounds.
        Also, while I'm on this subject, does anyone have a copy of
Crushed Velvet Apocalypse, by the Legendary Pink Dots?  I have been looking
for that bloody album for almost three years with no success.  I understand
it is a cassette only release, but I would like a copy.  I will send you
a blank tape and return postage if you can't part with it, Otherwise, name
your price and maybe I'll bite.
        My email address is ST67S@JETSON.UH.EDU
thanks!
\
/ gary

Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:14:51 -0500

From Ryan L

Subject Heavenly Voices


Since someone brought it up, I have some copies of the French (Semantic
label) 'Heavenly Voices' promo CD as well as some accompanying posters (about
15 inches by 15 inches).  If fact if there's any hardcore collectors out
there I think I have some large (like 3 feet high) posters of Hyperium's
Heavenly Voices.  If anyone's interested email me: RyanSpiral@aol.com


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:41:28 -0500

From Gil Gershman

Subject Re: Laika... last time, I pro...


Oh, praised be Lord Frith!

Write me separately from the 4AD-L list - I've been looking for someone else
who passionately adores the genius that was Moonshake and is Laika and
Medicine. Contact me as:

 BisonBoy@AOL.com

I only have "antenna", but "silver apples..." is in the mail, and between the
EP and "sound...follow" I have been able to keep my ears busy.

Always looking for good conversation with those who have excellent taste
(you!)

Fond Affections
Bison Boy(Gil)


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:23:03 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Re: Fw: Laika

              94 03:44:40 pm

jOHN ASKED WHETHER lAIKA AND THE cOSMONAUTS IS THE SAME BAND AS lAIKA -
THE ANSWER IS NO.

I love vi - 80~ and the whole line has its case changed!

L&tC are an American band, I think.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:09:05 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Re: lost CT cd


On Thu, 10 Nov 1994 nelson@HELIOS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU wrote:

> 1. The price is over $30. A legitimate release wouldn't be this
>    expensive.

There's a Wherehouse in Santa Barbara that's been trying to sell a copy
of Treasure for $33 for the last five years. I've always wanted to bitch
about this. There, now I've got it off my chest.



Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:51:06 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Mail order

              94 03:09:05 am

vilexile  said:
>
> obthislistyselfrightousflamewar: bark psychosis are boring
>

How dare you!  They dont suck, you suck and you're a hippocrit too, bark
sycosis are way cool.

(Writing style stolen from Smiths list).

I think it was the oddly named person who asked about mail order earlier
in the week (in the good old days when I still had four wisdom teeth).
Here's a list taken from the back of the NME:

Adrians, 36/38 High St, Wickford, Essex, SS12 9AZ
  Tel: 0268 733318/733319/733320
  Fax: 0268 764507

  I have ordered from here, fairly prompt, not too cheap (#13 is the
  standard price for CD albums).  Large catalogue costs #3, but be wary
  of believing it - some of the rare stuff may have sold out.

Action Records, Mail Order dept, 47 Church St, Preston, Lancs LR1 3DH
  Tel: 0772 884772
  Fax: 0772 204402 (night-time, i.e. afternoon/early evening in the USA)

Vinyl Experience, 18 Hathaway St, London W1P 9DD
  Tel: 071 636 1281
  Fax: 071 636 0738

Sister Ray, 94 Berwick St, London W1V 3PP
  Tel: 071 287 8365
  Fax: 071 287 1087

  Someone else on the list recommended this place (Lars?), and they seem
  to be fairly cheap.  This is also the address of their London shop,
  which is near Oxford St (there are several record shops in Berwick St,
  including Selectadisc).

Standard prices are #4 (4 pounds UK) for CD or 12" singles,  between #11
and #13 for CD albums, #7-#9 for vinyl albums.  P&P varies, but #3-4 for
the first CD (outside Europe) and #1-2 for each subsequent CD seems to
be standard.
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |


Date Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:22:46 -0500

From Julie Bennack

Subject Re: Stina Norderstrom (sp?)


I'm not sure if you got a reply... because I'm way
behind.... but I have two of Stina's cds, both US
releases... memories of a color (released only under the
name Stina) and a new one (can't think of the title) under her
full name.

Julie


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:51:01 CST

From Steven W Hill

Subject Re: TWP-Funky CD

              94 12:20 (noon)

I've been listening to "Funky Little Demons" all week, and I want to put
out an encouraging word. I was scared before I heard it after reading the
initial reviews here, especially those from big TWP fans, but I think the
album is pretty good. Okay, the first track is practically a remake of
"Heaven's Gate" but it's still killer, especially with that steel guitar!
--
[][]  [][] Steve Hill                     Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us
[]  []  [] Network Technician             Voice:708-925-6273
           William Rainey Harper College    Fax:708-925-6030
[]  []  [] 1200 West Algonquin Road        Page:708-962-0430
[][]  [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398               "Mostly harmless."


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:26:53 -0500

From jOHN yOCHIM

Subject Re: Its a conspiracy


In message Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:31:33 GMT,
  Andrew Thorn   writes:


> advertisers) will favour a certain government setup?
>
> The Music :
>

Ok... Maybe I'm just a little bit nuts, but am I the only one who was cut
short of this post?  Or is this all there is?  I ask this because I was
really getting into it, and then it just CUT right off... And now I'm left
confused about the few posts about this CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL.  Could
someone please fill me in?  Maybe on private mail?
          -jOHN @  ------  jcy107@psu.edu

Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:47:00 -0800

From mj_polder@gate.pnl.gov

Subject for seattle area people...


          Does anyone know the telephone number for Moe's in Seattle
          and when Pale Saints are playing next week? I'm pretty sure
          it's Thursday night but heard a rumor it was Friday. If you
          know the ticket price that would be helpful also, as well as
          the location of this joint.

          Please email to me directly. Thanks!

          matthew


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:29:17 +0100

From Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Subject 4AD Mail Order Is Alive!


I got the Vaughan Oliver book and the AVAM cd today (and the Throwing
Muses ltd. ed. "Firepile"). Happy happy!

I must say that "This Rimy River" is impressive. Heavy paper, big,
handsome, beautiful... much, much better than
"Exhibition/Exposition". It's kinda messy as well, with all the proofs
being printed whichever way. Makes it very interesting.

The AVAM cd is kinda good, isn't it?
--
Mrs. Lillian Marzo pretended to be asleep while her husband Eduardo
gently caressed her hair, though over the years she had secretly come
to loathe his touch.


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:30:05 -0800

From Heffalump

Subject Re: for seattle area people... (I don't have the #, but...)


Are there any Seattle-area people that are planning to see the show in
Vancouver?  I've got two problems - (1) I'm not 21, so I can't go to
Moe's (2) I'd need a ride to get to the Vancouver show the next day.  So
hey, if you're gonna go-a-road-tripping and you want an xtra passenger,
lemme know...

Pleeez...   <:-)

--if you can get a Rocket, I'm sure you'd find the # for Moe's.  If
nobody knows the #, lemme know and I can acquire a Rocket & check.

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:32:54 -0800

From Jens Alfke

Subject Cindytalk gig review


Here's a review by Howard Goodman of a recent Cindytalk performance, from the
Cindytalk mailing list "Touched".(To subscribe, write to
touched-request@cs.bham.ac.uk.)

--Jens

........................................................................

                               Cindytalk
            121 Railton Road, Brixton, London SE24, England
                        Friday, 21 October 1994

The venue, which  doesn't have a name   other than `121', appears to  be
basically someone's house which has been modified and turned into a kind
of  anarcho  drop-in centre.  The atmosphere   was relaxed and friendly.
The first floor of the `121' is a tiny vegan cafe  with some benches and
tables.  The  ground  floor is a  well-lit,  wide open space  with a few
comfortable seats but mostly just floor  space, and posters on the walls
advertising squats, protests   and the like.   It  was in the  basement,
which is essentially just a dungeon  with some sound equipment, that the
gig took place.

The gig  was  billed as `CINDYTALK  meets dj  TERROREYES for a  night of
ambi-dustrial   noise   exploration   with maybee   just   a  squirt  of
ACIDTECHNO',  and, sure enough, techno   music  was being played in  the
basement for  most of the evening.   Some people were dancing, including
Elizabeth Fraser, who was evidently _extremely_ drunk  and drugged.  She
was  generally making a fool  of herself, and  her attempt  to balance a
beer can on her  head during Cindytalk's performance  was surely  one of
the low-lights of the evening.

The audience seemed to consist mostly of regulars, i.e. people who could
loosely   be  termed  `crusties',  who  hadn't    come specifically  for
Cindytalk.  It should  be borne in mind  that the gig was  effectively a
`secret' one,  as, as far  as I know, it hadn't   been advertised in the
music press; I  only knew about  it because Gordon  had sent me a flyer.
There were, however, a handful  of people who looked  like they had come
especially  -- an  Einstuerzende Neubauten  t-shirt is, I  think, a good
indication of this.

While we were sitting about in the ground floor area, the `comfy chairs'
space seemed to be occupied mostly by  Cindytalk members.  (I recognised
the bass player, a rather strapping woman with long black hair, from the
London gig of 16 March, and it later turned out  that she recognised me,
too, by my _In This World_  t-shirt which I had  had printed at a colour
copying bureau.)  At  one point Gordon appeared  -- I  recognised him by
the  fact that he  was wearing a   skirt and clutching  a black hardback
exercise book with   a  red binding --   this  is the   `Cindytalk texts
1993/94'  book to which  he  sometimes refers when   performing -- and I
decided that it was about time I went and introduced myself.  After all,
I had  first  been in contact  with   him in 1989,   when  we had spoken
extensively a  couple of times on  the telephone, and had re-established
contact this summer when I sent off for the `Prince of lies' single.  So
I went  and said  hallo and  told him  who   I was,  and, though  he had
seemingly  taken  a dislike to me  in  1989 (I was  an eighteen-year-old
goth, after  all), he  seemed pleased  to  make my acquaintance.   After
saying hallo and  how-do-you-do, I  was accosted on  my way  back by the
bass  player, who, as  I  say, sort of  recognised  me.  I spoke to  her
briefly, and she said her name is Andi (sp?).  I was telling her how _In
This World_ had `changed my life', blah  blah blah, to which she replied
that it had had a  similar effect on her, which  is why she's now in the
band.

Cindytalk appeared `on stage' (there  was actually no physical stage  as
such) at about 23.30, first of all just  filling time and dancing to the
techno  music  that was being  played by  TerrorEyes.   Then the concert
proper started, and, unfortunately,  I don't have much  to say about it.
What I remember of the line-up was that there were six people, including
the person manipulating tapes and/or a mixer,  who I assume to have been
TerrorEyes.  Cindytalk live consist of Gordon  singing, Andi(?)  playing
bass guitar, somebody playing  electric guitar, somebody playing a Casio
keyboard which  I think was a sampler,  and  somebody on drums.   In the
best tradition of avant-garde music (Neubauten, George Crumb, etc.), the
instruments  are  often used  in  unorthodox ways,  such  as bowing  the
guitars.

Eight or nine songs  were played.  I wasn't able  to steal a copy of the
play-list  this time,  but I had  a  look at  a  copy on the `stage' and
recognised some of the titles (`Cum poets',  `Nothing is true') from the
first Cindygig,   which  took place in  March  1994.   (I  can  post the
play-list from that  one, if you like.)  Also,  `Muster'  and `Prince of
lies' were played, and, at one point,  `The beginning of wisdom' started
up, but then turned into  something else.  This  seems  to be a  general
feature of Cindytalk, and is one  of the wonderful  things about them --
that themes,    fragments  of words  and  music,   reoccur  in different
locations at  different times.   Also   emanating from tapes   were some
fragments of prose recited by (I assume) Kathy Acker,  in the same style
as the spoken parts of `Janey's love'.

I cannot  really give a  subjective opinion  of the concert  itself, as,
just like at  the previous Cindygig  that I attended, the sound  quality
was  too appalling for the music  to be reasonably distinguishable.  All
that I can say is that the performance was entirely _convincing_.  There
was a lot of very dense noise, Gordon  sang beautifully (although it was
often difficult to hear),  and, I imagine that if  the sound quality had
been even half   decent, the experience would  have   been very intense.
This is why I am so looking forward to hearing _Wappenshaw_ on CD: while
Cindytalk are so obscure that they are forced to play in anarcho drop-in
centres and the back rooms of pubs, they are never going to sound at all
good live, which is a pity.

At the end of the set, which lasted for about forty-five minutes, Gordon
handed over to TerrorEyes, and the techno started  up again.  This point
was rather amusing, as the audience was collectively rather bemused, not
knowing quite what to do.  The band  were still present, albeit standing
around and  dancing to the   techno, and  there had  been  no space  for
applause.

Finally, as you might expect, Cindytalk do _not_ play encores.

                                                              ... howard.

+---------------------------------------+------------------------------+
| howard s goodman (research student)   | beauty will be convulsive    |
| email: h.s.goodman@cs.bham.ac.uk      | or will not be at all        |
| comp. sci., birmingham univ., england | ---Andre Breton, Nadja, 1928 |
+---------------------------------------+------------------------------+

Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:44:23 -0800

From Jens Alfke

Subject Re: It's a conspiracy


Andrew Thorn, everyone favorite freshman, rants:
>Ever wondered why certain bands (usually on large wealthy labels) seem to
>mysteriously appear out of nowhere, to suddenly be spread accross
>numerous publications / medias ? and that some of them are so crap that my
>cat wouldn't even bother to vomit on their records ? but they still get mass
>coverage despite the fact that even the journalists in the most part dislike
>them...also noticed the large adverts that accompany them?

Gosh, this wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that these bands sell
zillions of records, would it? Or that they haven't yet, but breathless A&R
people at major labels are convinced that they will because they sound just
like other bands that sell zillions of records?
No, it must be a foul consipiracy. I'll bet they're using mind control on the
consumers to induce them to buy those records. That's it.

>couple that with the fact that our idependent BBC is being undermined and
>eroded away (eventually, it seems to be replaced by a smaller number of
>hugely powerfull, ever expanding 'media empires')

Isn't this the same 'independent BBC' that regularly refuses to air singles
(like, let's say, the Sex Pistols' "God Save the Queen") that the government
finds offensive?  Come on, 'government owned' does not equal 'independent'.
Far from it.

> it makes the future prospects of "freedom of speach" in any significant
form
>for the ordinary citizen (who does not happen to agree with politics /
>philosophies of the wealthy 'power' Elite, or who does not have the money to
>'buy' media) pretty bleak.

Tell you what, why don't you Brits first work on getting a few minor details
like a Bill Of Rights set up over there, and then later on -- when you
actually have a defined freedom of speech to defend -- you can worry about
the media conspiracy. Get the priorities straight.

Glad to see the loony left is still alive and well in England. Cheerio.

[Sorry for the lack of thislisty content. I figure the Cindytalk report I
just posted makes up for it...]

Jens Alfke ........ OpenDoc Geometer ........ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

       ...And they passed the night in a crockery jar,
          and each of them said "How wise we are!
          Though the sky be dark, and the voyage be long,
          Yet we never can think we were rash or wrong,
          While round in our sieve we spin."   --Edward Lear

Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:20:12 -0500

From Lance Linimon

Subject With all the CT talk...


I've always wondered about Simon Raymonde's pre-CT band, Drowning Craze.
Anybody have anything by them or know more info than merely the name?



Lance


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:13:25 -0600

From Operator

Subject Re: lost CT cd


Speaking of lost CDs, does anyone have the '85 Bak2Bak( sp.?) Interview
Picture Disc?


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 20:22:42 +0000

From "K. Bruner"

Subject Mail order in U.S. for getting Japanese cds?


Well, I fit everything into the Subject line.  Anyway, does someone know
a good place for ordering Japanese imports in the U.S.?  Please don't say
cdeurope.com.  They don't have what I'm looking for.

--
Confound those who have said our remarks before us.
                                        --Aelius Donatus


Date Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:53:14 -0700

From Thomas J Mayer

Subject What is 4012


Somewhere I seem to have lost track of what release was numbered 4012.
So if someone could post it or sended to me.
thanks
tm





I've got one.

Mike


Date: Date:

From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN

Subject: geek the sale

-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.01P ] -- i've got a copy of lisa germano's geek the girl cd for sale. any interested parties please contact me.

Date: Date:

From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN

Subject: sporadic recordings AVAILABLE!

-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.01P ] -- there is a copy of vini reilly's "sporadic recordings" avaiable at: heartbeat records kent, ohio usa 1.216.678.6371 good luck -bruce

Date: Date:

From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN

Subject: butterfly child

-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.01P ] -- i've recently been listening to the butterfly child track from volume magazine and enjoying it quite a bit. could someone post a discography/review of the stuff they have done? -bruce