No, I am not getting double messages, I am just getting old ones. Today I received messages from Oct4, 8, 13, 23 . . . . . . . . .Well, I wonder Paul Slap Me On The Patio
On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, bmilner wrote: > The next record, released a few weeks ago is not as good I think, > though it has been getting glowing reviews. "and she closed her eyes" > just wasn't ready yet to me. She takes less chances with her melodies and > her vocals aren't recorded as smoothly. They also throw in some cheesy > synthy a la Tori Amos drum parts that really muddy up the organic feel > that I liked about the first record. Buy the first one, if you like it a > lot, then you will like this one too. I would disagree with most of this. As I've mentioned several times before on this list, I think And She Closed Her Eyes is the best album yet to be released this year, so know that this comes from someone who really *loves* that record. First, I don't know why you said that about her melodies; I found them to be more interesting, especially in the way they interact with the chords and other melodies; it is really a tricky kind of songwriting the likes of which you don't see much of any more. The vocals are indeed not as smooth, and this might turn some people off but you make it sound as though it was an accident, which it clearly was sounds like she' singing right in your ear. A lot of people find it obnoxious, but it can grow on you. I am charmed by it. It also is a split from the somewhat derivative elements of the first album. She's really got a unique style at this point. On the point of the cheesy Tori Amos drum stuff, I'm not really sure what you're talking about. The album is as organic as they come, and the few bits that strike me as processed are not nearly as much so as the last album almost in its entirety. Not that this is a bad thing, but I much prefer the atmosphere it gives And She Closed Her Eyes. The few artificialities contrast with the roughness of the album in a way that is often disturbing, and never seemed intrusive or bothered me much, but then you are clearly more enamoured of the professional and acoustic sound of the first album, where I am not. I can see a lot of people not liking this second album, but I would call it successful in its methods where it creates its atmosphere from its elements, and I think the songwriting is among the best and most clever you'll hear today. Another thing I would add, which is a major part of why I like her, is that she is imo an absolute master of the interlude. She has a way of suddenly washing over her songs with something completely alien to them and having them fit perfectly, always very emotional and usually a relief from tension. Generally speaking, these bits are flavorful and original in their instrumentation or overall sound, and have a melody that seems to intersect with the rest of the song and cast it in a whole different light. nothing against the first record, but she hadn't so perfected this at that point, or at least hadn't been inclined to use it for the most part. I also want to add that her lyrics are beautiful and peculiar. They address odd subject matter, use unpredictable metaphors and leave you wondering just what in the hell actually happened. She tells great stories without entering into an irritating narrative, and I can think of few other people I'd say that about. Even the best lyricists discussed on this list avoid really getting into that. The only person I can think to compare her to is Suzanne Vega, (of whom I admit I may have an unfairly good opinion because I only have her last album.) She is mysterious without being cryptic. She leaves you uncertain, but is at the same time pointed. She never deviates into psychobabble or guts-spilling. They are lyrics to be proud of, and they are the mirror of their music. One has to wonder which comes first or if they materialise simultaneously. Again, my highest recommendation. I file my Stina CDs, with a clear conscience, right between my Echo and the Bunnymen collection and my And Also the Trees records. Hey! Those are the other people I was trying to think of with regard to storytelling in lyrics. I did not even realise this. Damn. stinaphile einexile
This was on the dreampop list & I remembered that there had been quite a bit of Ugo Largo interest here, so: ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Eeek. If this goes on, well be disecting Strauss's art songs for dreamy references. With regards to "modern" and hence, self-conscious, dreampop, my vote is for the early A.R.Kane singles. They, after all, coined the term. With regards to the much lamented Hugo Largo, the band sans Mimi Goese recorded Hetch Hetchy's "Swollen" on Texas Hotel records. Hetch Hetchy's singer has a Siouxsie fixation, but the music is sublime. The singer, BTW, is Linda Stipe, sister of REM's singer. Mimi Goese is an active performance artist in New York. You can often find listings of her works in "High Performance" (or is that the title?) or "Village Voice." Hahn Rowe is a fairly active session violinist. He toured with Foetus a couple of years ago, and I've seen him credited on a number of albums, most recently, Micheal Brook's _Cobalt Blue_. Tim Sommner, MTV scripter and fanzine writer prior to Hugo Largo, has continued freelancing, I believe. I've no idea what happened to the fourth member, whose name escapes me at present. Love and toast. -- Darryl Stephen Roy [email protected] @>-`--,-- @>-`--,-- @>-`--,-- @>-`--,-- @>-`--,-- @>-`--,-- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.- Picasso **************** Sanz LashleySHE-dreampop straight up w/ a noisy chaser! snail: 5602 N. Ridge, Chicago, IL 60660
Ever wondered why certain bands (usually on large wealthy labels) seem to mysteriously appear out of nowhere, to suddenly be spread accross numerous publications / medias ? and that some of them are so crap that my cat wouldn't even bother to vomit on their records ? but they still get mass coverage despite the fact that even the journalists in the most part dislike them...also noticed the large adverts that accompany them? This 'bribe'; journalism (buying ads in exchange for coverage) is called Payola. the logical conclusion to the payola system is to place a vast amount of power in the hands of a few wealthy companies, and to degrade the ability of the press to act as a truthful critical body (which they present themselves to be) due to their relying on advertising revenue for survival. I'm not suggesting for one moment that things have got so bad that payola dictates every article you read, but it does exist (to varying degrees) and due to the factors below, is on the increase. If payola was isolated to the music business, then i would have to admit that the issue would be trivial, but given that it appears to thrive (at least to som degree)in all of the private media networks, and couple that with the fact that our idependent BBC is being undermined and eroded away (eventually, it seems to e replaced by a smaller number of hugely powerfull, ever expanding 'media empire ') it makes the future prospects of "freedom of speach" in any significant form or the ordinary citizen (who does not happen to agree with politics / philosophi s of the wealthy 'power' Elite, or who does not have the money to 'buy' media) p etty bleak. The implications to our democracy also becomes an issue, because in an age where we rely so heavilly on mass media for information, should the very information we need to choose our political parties be in the hands of a few media barrons who by their nature (and that of their wealthy payola advertisers) will favour a certain government setup? The Music :
| but also some weaker stuff.. Four-Calendar Cafe is the newest one, and | is their least impressive LP (but I still like it a lot)... Oh, and | |This Mortal Coil, FSOL, Soundtrack for The Crow, The Coolest Christmis CD, |...and what else? although by no means new news, don't forget Ian Mcculloch's Candleland and Dif Juz' Extractions. | Jeff Davis ____--~~~~~~vvvv~~~~ oo [email protected]____---- ( ( ( vvvv ~~~~~~ooooooooooo ___----( ( \ \ \ \ \vvv oooooooooooooo 815.772.1260 ____---- ( \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ vvooooooooooooooooooooo
10 Nov 1994 10:31:33 GMT fromHmmm,interesting viewpoint there,man.I dont know if I want to argue or not,but do any of you who are old enough remember the day when Penis Envy by Crass shot into the national charts on strength of sales,and the following week had disapp eared when sales were better than the previous week?Rumour had it that some large concern paid lots of money to see them disappear.BELIEVE IT OR NOT!! I would agree that Payola plays a large part in the music industry(Record touts 'n' all)Ivo had some views years back on "promoters",but I cant fer sureput my finger on the reference.His views were not laudatory,but obviosly time has chan ged his opinion. Anyway,thanks for a interesting posting that will get us all off the boring stu ff that we have been kicking all week. HAS THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL BECOME LAW YET???? THEO
> > HAS THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL BECOME LAW YET???? > Yep. I believe we should now refer to it as the Criminal Justice Act. So just remember that when your neighbours kids are having a birthday party and there are more than 16 children there, as a good, honest, upstanding citizen it is your duty to get on the blower to your local police station and report them (can't remember what clause the groups of people bit comes under)... -- ****************************************************************************** *** "Dressed in scarlet, going down, help *** JOOLZ THE JET GIRL *** *** me Jesus, save me now" - Maria McKee *** [email protected] *** ******************************************************************************
94 12:17:18 pm Are you being a killjoy??? I take it the people next door to you in Cov had a weedy party that your haouse wasn't invited to and, because of the noise, you were kept up until, ooh, at least 10.30pm by the fabulous sounds of Whigfield's Saturday Night (bet thats the first time she's been mentioned on this mailing list!). Yeah, I actually agree with it too to be perfectly honest.
10 Nov 1994 12:17:18 +0000 fromJeezuz wheeezuz!!I cant believe that that monstrosity has become law. Living in South Africa I can expect a lot of shitty laws,but coming from A Civilised Country like England I was very,very,very surprised. We have had legislation which is totally draconian,but never has the right to s ilence been swept away in as many words.Our pigs have always had to torture ppl to get the story that they want,this new invention of your parliament. The 10 ravers raving in one spot or travelling etc is old hat;we had a similar thing,but only all gatherings of 3 or more were "outlawed"!!!! On to the payola thing:My synapses just fired,and without boring the list with lengthy Marxist debate,I think that the biggest flaw with the argument concerni ng the implications for society as a whole is that it smacks too closely of the Instrumentalist theory of law and state.Equating control of the means of produ ction with control of superstructural elements is attractive at first blush,but a sound application of either Neo-marxist or Anarchist writings will soon disabuse one of the notion that life is that simple. Feel free to argue,I am no expert on this stuff(Iwas once,but lost interest) Theo
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Also, has there been any further news on the existence of the third "Heavenly Voices" CD/French edition? -------- Well, I've got the third edition as well as the previous one, but this new CD is just a merchandising product which is offered with the new Projekt CD. (I've received mine with Love Is Colder Than Death's Oxeia lp. There is no box, only a paper cover. Tracklist: 1. Love is colder than death: In Silence and Tears 2. Stoa: Autumn 3. View: Sunday Morning Faces 4. Anchorage: Dawn 5. Love Spiral Downwards: And The Wood comes into leaf 6. Dark Orange: Four Winds 7. Manic P: Untitled 8. Black Tape From a Blue Girl: Our future imagined 9. Chandeen: Lumis 10. Speaking Silence: Immunity I think most of this product is only excerpt off lps (or to come lps), but I can't be sure: there was a little poster with the CD, but I don't have it here. Does anybody has got information about Speaking Silence ? (a band with the female singer of Trees Dance, near from Rise and Fall Of a Decade. Theses are two french bands so I don't think many of you know about them, and I've no comparison to make. Arty, female voice, guitars and reminiscence of classical musics...) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Laurent LAPIERRE Radio mobiles communication student ---------------- ----------------------------------- 5 ch guinguette ul 28 Czerwca 1956 nr 400 F-57100 Thionville 61441 Poznan - POLAND (+33) 82880723 (+48) 61 323511 ----------------------------------------------------------------- I.N.T - Evry - FRANCE (3rd year at) E.F.P - Poznan - POLAND ----------------------------------------------------------------- ' Je passe le plus clair de de mon temps a l'obscurcir [email protected] parce que la lumiere me gene. ' [email protected] Boris Vian -----------------------------------------------------------------
8 Nov 1994 08:50:53 -0800 from Brant NelsonHave you poor souls nothing better to do than debate such dribble? Get a life! -The big Gay one
I know this isn't 'bout music, but it seems to follow in the same vein as a couple of letters I just read, so I'll post it anyway. I friend of mine immigrated from SA to germany 'bout 2 months ago. He mailed the following to me about 2 weeks ago. (S> German's are the most fond of paperwork. We have to register for each exam (S> separately, each on a form that produces 3 extra carbon copies. Then we (S> also have to fill out the summary of all. Whew! Now they've also introduced (S> a new law concerning dogs. The owner of a dog that barks at any time between (S> 13h00 - 15h00 , 22h00 - 06h00 or more than for 30 minutes a day outside thes (S> times could pay a DM10000 fine if he's (or rather his dog's) reported. SOME- (S> BODY PLEASE HELP THESE PEOPLE. Gnome Who's dog is well behaved - NOT :-) +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+ | _____ | Gnome | She called me | | ( o o ) | [email protected] | from the corner | | (__v__) | P.O.Box 786782 | of a song I never | | | | Sandton | liked. | | *--+--* | 2146 | | | | | South Africa | The | | _/ \_ | | Drovers | +-------------+--------------------------------+--------------------+ --- . SPEED 1.40 [NR] . "Kiss me out of desire, not consolation.." Jeff Buckely ---- Digitec Online - South Africa - telnet: saturn.digitec.co.za - "Africa's Most Popular BBS" - Telephone: +27-11-476-2008 -
Add the Ian McCulloch song "Heaven's Gate", which appears on his "Mysterio" album. -Matt K [email protected] >Liz Fraser has appeared on the following (please add to this if I've missed >anything...) > >Dif Juz "Love Insane" >The Wolfgang Press "Respect" (cover of the Aretha Frankling toon) >FSOL "Lifeforms' >Fuel "Butterfly Knife" >Ian McCulloch "Candleland" >Medicine "Time Baby 3" >Felt "Primitive Painters" >This Mortal Coil "Song to the Siren" > "Another Day" > "Sixteen Days" -- am I right about this one? >Peace Together "Be Still"
Greetings all I have not received any mail from the list for some time now. Is everything alright?? Cae Lian Dar [email protected]
94 12:29:31 pm > Are you being a killjoy??? Sheeesh!!! Have you people up in Sunderland never heard of sarcasm??? Or are *you* too busy listening to and swooning over your new Barbra Streisand CD??? *SMILES* ****************************************************************************** *** "Dressed in scarlet, going down, help *** JOOLZ THE JET GIRL *** *** me Jesus, save me now" - Maria McKee *** [email protected] *** ******************************************************************************
I will be in Tokyo from December 10-December 17. In terms of the clubbing scene, what is of interest these days. I was at Juliana's last time, which was a bit too mainstream for me. I prefer dark caverns w/heavy bass, etc. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Alex ***************************************************************************** * CITI * 809 Uris Hall * NYC 10027 * phone 212 854 4222 * fax 212 932 7816 *
Does anybody out there have a list of John Mellencamp *videos* that feature Lisa Germano? If not, let's make one... -shill -- [][] [][] Steve Hill Email:[email protected] [] [] [] Network Specialist Voice:708-925-6273 William Rainey Harper College Fax:708-925-6030 [] [] [] 1200 West Algonquin Road Page:708-962-0430 [][] [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398 Still not getting real or using my brain
Yeah Yeah... Me again. I forgot to Give Praise to the New Laika in my last post, so here it is: I LOVE it SO MUCH it HURTS!! My entire body falls into a mad fit of unbridled orgiastic ecstacy every time I play it!! Hows that? Really, though, I haven't been so excited over any one piece of music since i first heard MOONSHAKES "Big Good Angel" and MEDICINES "Shot forth self living". I'm so happy that Guy Fixson is in the band. For any of you that don't know who he is, he's the guy who produced a bunch of MOOSE and MOONSHAKE things. He adds a wonderful element to the band that was missing in MOONSHAKE. Everyone need Laika for a "short happy life". -jOHN s
. . . Earwrote: >Liz Fraser has appeared on the following (please add to this if I've missed >anything...) >Dif Juz "Love Insane" >The Wolfgang Press "Respect" (cover of the Aretha Frankling toon) >FSOL "Lifeforms' >Fuel "Butterfly Knife" >Ian McCulloch "Candleland" >Medicine "Time Baby 3" >Felt "Primitive Painters" >This Mortal Coil "Song to the Siren" > "Another Day" > "Sixteen Days" -- am I right about this one? >Peace Together "Be Still" _The Moon and the Melodies_, by Liz Fraser, Robin Guthrie, Simon Raymonde and Harold Budd. -- Richard Singer
On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Richard Singer wrote: > . . . Earwrote: > > >Liz Fraser has appeared on the following (please add to this if I've missed > >anything...) > > >Dif Juz "Love Insane" > >The Wolfgang Press "Respect" (cover of the Aretha Frankling toon) > >FSOL "Lifeforms' > >Fuel "Butterfly Knife" > >Ian McCulloch "Candleland" > >Medicine "Time Baby 3" > >Felt "Primitive Painters" > >This Mortal Coil "Song to the Siren" > > "Another Day" > > "Sixteen Days" -- am I right about this one? > >Peace Together "Be Still" > > _The Moon and the Melodies_, by Liz Fraser, Robin Guthrie, Simon > Raymonde and Harold Budd. > > -- Richard Singer The Wolfgang Press, "I Am the Crime" ...and isn't there another song or two off Candleland? einexile
Hi there! Recently I went to London and bought a Cocteau Twins Compilation called "The Forgotten 4AD Tracks" featuring songs from their various singles between 82 and 91. It looks like a bootleg, but inside it is mentioned that it is a promotional copy and not for sale. What's the story behind this CD ? Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pedro Plassen Lopes ( [email protected] ) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I've seen it too and it's definitely a bootleg since: 1. The price is over $30. A legitimate release wouldn't be this expensive. 2. The title is dumb. The CD is basically the box set all on one CD, and all of these tracks are still readily available. brant
That's right, Pram info requested. I welded "Helium" into my CD player a few weeks back (thanks to Boroda) and it is finally coming loose. Can anyone review/recommend their other releases. If there ever is a circus in outer space, Pram will definitely be under the big top. titus
Um. So with all the talk about Portishead, I feel ignorant. What do they sound like, and who are they? Thanks. Lawren [email protected]
The following items have been deleted from the 4AD catalogue and are no longer available: Frank Black - Hang On To Your Ego 7" Breeders - Divine Hammer 10" The Moon and the Melodies LP Cocteau Twins - Victorialand LP Colourbox - World Cup Theme 7" Colourbox - Say You 7" Colourbox - The Moon Is Blue 7" Lush - Sweetness And Light 7" Pale Saints - The Comforts Of Madness LP Xymox - Medusa LP Also the final release of the year is AD/BAD/BAD CD 4018 Throwing Muses - Bright Yellow Gun More info to come. brant ------------------------------------------------- | Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | | Dewdrops Fanzine | Los Angeles, CA 90025-5567 | | [email protected] | |more info, use the finger command on this address| -------------------------------------------------
"Michael R. M. Cheselka"writes: >What other collobarations does Elizabeth appear on? >This Mortal Coil, FSOL, Soundtrack for The Crow, The Coolest Christmis CD, >...and what else? She also appears in the Wolfgang Press' "I am the crime" and their cover of "Respect", and on Dif Juz's "love insane". And in some Ian McColluch (don't kill me if I butchered the spelling) song. >What about Robin and the others? Will Heggie left the cocteau twins after garlands and joined the band LowLife purge! -- \ \ and with arms stretched out... \ \ \ \ caught the sun in cold cupped hands \ \
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