4ad-l Mail for 11-09-1994

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Date Sat, 8 Oct 1994 11:09:49 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: 4AD-L Digest - 5 Oct 1994 to 6 Oct 1994

Date Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:21:01 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Lilliput for sale / concert dates

Date Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:01:33 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Bettie Serveert..it's been too long. Moose rules!

Date Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:48:08 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: the huge evergrowing, pulsating catalogue number list...

Date Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:48:30 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Lush SPLIT DOUBLE CD, TEENAGER OTY DOUBLE CD

Date Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:01:42 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: DCD Ltd. Ed.

Date Sun, 23 Oct 1994 11:19:43 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: limited edition DCD "Toward The Within"

Date Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:47:45 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: New Bettie Serveert?

Date Sun, 16 Oct 1994 14:18:22 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Concerning a mix of music

Date Thu, 3 Nov 1994 00:44:43 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Lisa Germano UK promos

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:50:27 -0500

From Albert Thomas Bozzo

Subject Re: Jessamine (was: Moonshake/ Lisa Germano)

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 04:13:00 GMT

From Rich Brack

Subject Xymox remix

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:02:43 -0600

From "Michael R. M. Cheselka"

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:46:36 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Re: Stina Nordenstam

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 04:23:35 -0600

From Kagin Lee

Subject Re: Stina Nordenstam

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:40:57 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Re: Stina Nordenstam

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:35:22 -0800

From ivo

Subject Re: Stina Norderstrom (sp?)

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 03:33:35 -0800

From Kelli-Jeanne

Subject my essential listening treasures... aka 4ad album help.

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 03:43:41 -0800

From bmilner

Subject Stina Nordenstam reviews

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:56:51 +0100

From Andre Van Leeuwen

Subject Heavenly Voices misunderstanding

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:01:52 +0100

From Andre Van Leeuwen

Subject Multiple copies of messages

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:19:49 GMT

From Simon Hughes

Subject Getting Better Over Time

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:27:54 +0000

From Jon O Kvebaek

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:18:16 +0000

From Jonathan Smith

Subject digest

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:04:43 -0500

From Deb

Subject Huh! Mag Info

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:32:17 -0600

From Jeff Davis

Subject Throwing Muses - Chains Changed: What's It Worth????

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:46:33 -0500

From Hk Kahng

Subject Jessamine!

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL

From "Neil G."

Subject v23 FONT

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:57:14 -0500

From Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL

From HEMENT GOPAL <[email protected]>

Subject DCD banter

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:10:50 TZ

From David Goebel

Subject Re: Heavenly Voices misunderstanding

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:30:00 -0500

From Matthew D Horine

Subject St. Louis shows?

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:00:58 -0500

From Edward Pak

Subject ARCANA BOOKs - address

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:10:53 -0600

From Steve Hill

Subject Re: Getting Better Over Time

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:13:12 -0500

From Rebecca Fagan

Subject mistle thrush/portishead/Cranes

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:33:27 LCL

From Sargent David Edward

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:57:57 -0600

From Sanz

Subject swirly dreampop LIVE

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:57:01 -0800

From Fun Gus

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Sat, 8 Oct 1994 11:09:49 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: 4AD-L Digest - 5 Oct 1994 to 6 Oct 1994

>Does anybody know when "Geek the Girl" is going to hit stores?

24 oct 1994 in Europe, so I guess 25 oct in the States.

>And hey, is the "For Love" e.p. available on c.d.? And if so,
>who do I have to sleep with to get my hands on it???

It was available by 4AD (UK) in a Digipack and for the european market in a
slim jewel case. It's deleted for some time, or in backorder with 4AD.

Later,

Huite

Date Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:21:01 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Lilliput for sale / concert dates

 They were also selling a copy of the Emigre
>4AD issue for $60 :o

Can anybody tell me what this is: the Emigre 4AD-issue?

Huite

Date Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:01:33 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Bettie Serveert..it's been too long. Moose rules!

>Well, I was wondering if anybody has any info on a new Bettie Serveert slated
>for release anytime soon?

New CDsingle release beginning of january '95. The album will be released
end of jan '95.

Greetings,
Huite

Date Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:48:08 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: the huge evergrowing, pulsating catalogue number list...

>[email protected] writes:
>
>> > 4016, Wolfgang Press, "Funky Little Demons" (according to Lars)
>>
>> Wut about Geek the Girl?  Hasn't WP been put off 'til January?  wouldn't
>> that make it 5001 or something?
>
>That's what I thought as well. The information is, I think, from
>Huite's newsletter, which said that "Funky" was 4016 and was to be
>released in January...

I checked and re-checked, but on the release-schedule (_by 4AD_) dated
august 15th 1994 indeed TWP is CAD 4016 due january. Strangely enough
Germano is not listed at all. In the pressinfo on Geek the Girl it says it's
a CD-only release (CAD 4017 CD).

Greetings,
Huite

Date Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:48:30 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Lush SPLIT DOUBLE CD, TEENAGER OTY DOUBLE CD

 I saw an
>place that had the SPLIT cd that had one of the 2 CD-singles included w/ it
>(i don't recall which one).  Is this a 2 CD package like the limited
>releases of REV and BLOODMUSIC? or is it just the same as the album that
>comes along w/ a bonus single?

It probably is the _very limited_ West European release of CAD 4011 CD by
Play It Again Sam, the licensee of 4AD in the Netherlands, Belgium and
Luxembourg.

It is a slimline jewel case containing the SPLIT CD (1-RTD120-1905-2 12;
turn your CDs over and read the engraved number in the silver) and the LUSH
22 three track cd-single (WHITE WOOD, GIRL'S WORLD, LOVELIFE - SUGA BULLIT MIX).
As you'll recognise: it's almost equal to the CDsingle DESIRE LINES.

It works also with the Frank Black TEENAGER OF THE YEAR is completed with,
digipack lists HEADACHE, HATE ME, THIS IS WHERE I BELONG, AMNESIA; the BAD D
4007 CD included in DAD 4009 CD lists HEADACHE NYC VERSION, HATE ME, AMNESIA.

Both sleeves are extended versions by Vaughan Oliver.

For those willing to part from Lilliput I've above albums in stock

Greetings,
Huite

Date Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:01:42 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: DCD Ltd. Ed.

>Would some kind soul please post a little more info on the limited edition
>"Toward the Within"? The Warner rep. was totally clueless about the whole
>thing....
>
>Is it actually available now to us mere mortals w/o good 4AD connections?
>And could someone who has it perhaps post its catalogue (not SKU) number?

Cardboard box by Chris Bigg, containing CD (with special print), video
(overhere PAL-system VHS tape) in a cardboard wraparound and a letter-format
triple folded card with credits.

Cat# VAD D 4015.

CU,
Huite

Date Sun, 23 Oct 1994 11:19:43 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: limited edition DCD "Toward The Within"

>As promised, here's the lowdown on the limited edition box of DCD "Toward The
>Within."
>
>Evidently, it's not a massive, multiformat thing a la "LIAE," only the CD and
>video.

It's the video, the CD and a booklet. It is delayed. For how long I don't
know. The CD is released last friday.
Nevertheless I expect the VAD D 4015 this week.

cu,
Huite

Date Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:47:45 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: New Bettie Serveert?

>Have the Betties got a new record out?  Or was it someone else perchance?
>Anyone know?

Brinkmans' Pressrelease says: The planned releasedate of the new Bettie
Serveert album is jan 23rd 1995. There will be a single released in the
first week of january.

As you probably know Bettie Serveert is contracted by Brinkman and Guernica
is a licensee.

Greetings,
Huite

Date Sun, 16 Oct 1994 14:18:22 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Concerning a mix of music

>I was curious, I stumbled accross a post card the other day, of the
>Cocteau Twins Heaven or Las Vegas album cover. Has anyone else managed to
>find more of these? If so, I am interested in getting them. Unused if
>possible. And, has anyone ever come across any Dead Can Dance post cards?
>I thought those would be cool to have. -In addition to listening to 4-ad
>music, I collect post cards as well.

Just to tell these exist, I have the following 4AD postcards (_not_ for

- Exhibition Vaughan Oliver, Nantes 1990 (silver-coloured printing on brown
typographed background)
-                   same                 (photo of v23 object by pirate
design, also used on catalogue-sleeve)
-                   same                 (digitized knife on orange square
with v23 logo)
- Richenel: L'Esclave Endormi
- Pixies: Gigantic
- This Mortal Coil: Box Set
- 4AD discography card 1992
- Cocteau Twins: The Pink Opaque
- Ultra Vivid Scene: Something To Eat
- Modern English: Ricochet Days
- The Wolfgang Press: Queer
- Throwing Muses: House Tornado

besides this:

2 different cards for vernissages (one off ltd, paris and london)
1 ticket for the Michael Brook pressday at Aquarium, London Zoo, thursday
may 21 1992.

Greetings,
Huite

Date Thu, 3 Nov 1994 00:44:43 +0000

From Huite Rietveld

Subject Re: Lisa Germano UK promos

>I noticed on the PAIS 4AD list Huite posted (thanks!), that there is a Lisa
>Germano cassette promo for "Geek The Girl" available in Europe.  Does anyone
>have any more information on it?  Does it include all the songs on the album?
>What's the catalog number of the promo?  Are there any promos in other formats
>in Europe or the UK?  Thanks for the help.
>
>-Jeff

As far as I know there was only a PIAS-promotional release for Geek The
Girl. It's a MC containing all the tracks. The box has a black print on
yellow paper insert. It carries no cat#.

Later,
Huite

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:50:27 -0500

From Albert Thomas Bozzo

Subject Re: Jessamine (was: Moonshake/ Lisa Germano)

> From:    Matthew D Horine 
>
> ps...  Does anyone know anything about a band called Jessamine (or something
> like that)?  I saw a single (cool packaging) and an album at the local record
> store and want to know what they're like.  The album is out on the same label
> as Labradford.
>
I saw Jessamine perform during CMJ. Based on that, I placed them in the
Stereoab "tradition" -- though J. are more overtly psychedelic and the
compositions rambled some (uh, more). They thrilled my friends more than me,
but I'd still pass along a pretty strong recommendation. And anyway when
hasn't cool packaging been enough reason to buy a record???! ;-)

Tom

[email protected]
Vote Sideshow Bob for Mayor

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 04:13:00 GMT

From Rich Brack

Subject Xymox remix

I think someone was asking about the new Xymox remix CD...
I haven't listened to it yet, my friend at the local indie
CD shop let me borrow it to see if I liked it.  Anyway,
I thought people here would find the text inside the insert
interesting.  Please, don't take this out on me, I didn't
write it! :-)  I think they need a proof reader, not only for
the grammar errors but for the content too!



    in the "here today, gone tomorrow" the world of "pop music", longevity
    is as rare as quality.  few who have basked in the media spotlight make
    it past "that difficult third album".  even fewer grow in popularity
    after the initial "hype" has subsided and those infamous "15 minutes"
    are over.  XYMOX, it would seem, are something of an anomaly in the
    contemporary climate.  in the course of 10 years, 6 albums and 3 labels -
    4AD, Polygram/Wing and now the UK independant ZOK RECORDS - XYMOX have
    grown, not only in statur, but also in popularity.

    first there was "Clan of XYMOX" whose eponymous debut album and follow
    up "Medusa", both on 4AD, displayed the blue-print XYMOX sound of
    thecnoid beats, thundering bass and melancholic ambience.  "Clan of
    XYMOX" immediately gained universal critical acclaim, moved to a new
    home, Polygram/Wing, dropped the "Clan of..." and followed with the
    200,000 selling duo of the "Twist of Shadows" and "Phoenix" albums.
    the world's eyes were finally opened to the unique and ethereal beauty
    of XYMOX.

    in 1992 XYMOX signed to ZOK RECORDS, far exceeding the promis of their
    earlier releases XYMOX produced their finest albums yet: "Headclouds"
    and "Metamorphosis".  compiled here is a collection of unreleased edits
    and mixes from these 2 albums.  a buzz-byte glide through haunting
    dreamscapes and dance floor hedonism, "REMIX" displays XYMOX at their
    best, basking in extremes of light and shade, swathed in rich and
    vibrant hues.

    in february 1995 ZOK RECORDS will release XYMOX's seventh studio album.
    whilst most bands simply fade away, XYMOX continue burn with a light
    as bright as there future.

    Martin James - 1994


Um, yeah...   Well, here's a track listing too, in case you're interested...


    XYMOX - REMIX               ZOK Records - ZCDXY006

         1) spiritual high      3:36 *
         2) reaching out        3:34 *
         3) dream on            3:33
         4) sedated             4:25
         5) awakening           3:29
         6) a single day        3:37 *
         7) soul free           3:47 **
         8) b who u wanna b     3:22
         9) real                3:18
        10) headclouds          3:33 *
        11) revolve             3:15
        12) january             3:36
        13) tight rope walker   3:36
        14) prophecy            3:04
        15) it's your life      3:39
        16) love thrills        3:34
        17) xdd                 3:39
        18) the begining        3:11
        19) high & low          5:40
        20) love me             3:47

        *  new mixes
        ** USA only release
        additional edits by jay burnett



enjoy,

Rich...
[email protected]

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:02:43 -0600

From "Michael R. M. Cheselka"

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

     but also some weaker stuff.. Four-Calendar Cafe is the newest one, and
     is their least impressive LP (but I still like it a lot)... Oh, and

Why do people always say "FCC is their weakest album, but I really
like it a lot"?  Is it too much in the normal vein of music?  I have
listened to it quite a bit and like it as much as The Pink Opaque.

BTW, I just picked up Peace Together - Be Still.  A friend went
looking for a stereo, so we took along some singles, including Water
>From A Vine Leaf, and wound up listening to Be Still about twenty
times( as opposed to WFAVL, about 3 times).  It was still good at the
end of the day.  Why did this track not go top twenty?

What other collobarations does Elizabeth appear on?

This Mortal Coil, FSOL, Soundtrack for The Crow, The Coolest Christmis CD,
...and what else?

What about Robin and the others?

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:46:36 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Re: Stina Nordenstam

On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Marvyn Hortman wrote:

> Does anyone know if a discography exists for this blissful woman?  I have a
> couple of songs by her on a tape that e made for me (I'm still playing that
> thing to death, :) ) that are absolutely wonderful, but I haven't been able to
> find any information on her.

DOE ANYONE KNOW?? Well of COURSE *i* do! :)

Memories of a Colour (full length, 1991, nine songs)
Another Story Girl (single, 1991, track listing unknown)
And She Closed Her Eyes (full length, 1994 - twelve songs)
Little Star (single, one extra track: "First Day in Spring")
Little Star (ambient mixes, said to be terrible, tracks & mixers unknown)

> Any info would be appreciated...I'm guessing that she must be available as an
> import only?

Memories of a Colour is (or was) available on Warner Bros or Reprise or
some such, under the name "Stina" (real classy, that)...And She Closed
Her Eyes is out on Atlantic, or at least is listed as such at CDC. The
Japanese version I have includes the extra song from the Little Star
single, but the artwork is different and I don't think nearly as nice.
Little Star is available on a CD in Europe for probably less than the
difference between the Japanese album and the US release. Another Story
Girl has been deleted and I'm going to cry if I have to talk about it. :(
But someone please find it for me!!! :~O

> Also, has there been any further news on the existence of the third "Heavenly
> Voices" CD/French edition?

I think this was either a promo or just a shortened version. One disc,
everything on it taken from the two regular discs. Could be wrong,
though, as I am going on a vague memory of something I read here a while ago.

> "The EPA is responsible for the Challenger accident."

I'll bet they're proud of it, too. :p


yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay einexile yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 04:23:35 -0600

From Kagin Lee

Subject Re: Stina Nordenstam

On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, vilexile wrote:

> Memories of a Colour (full length, 1991, nine songs)
> Another Story Girl (single, 1991, track listing unknown)
> And She Closed Her Eyes (full length, 1994 - twelve songs)
> Little Star (single, one extra track: "First Day in Spring")
> Little Star (ambient mixes, said to be terrible, tracks & mixers unknown)
>
> Memories of a Colour is (or was) available on Warner Bros or Reprise or
> some such, under the name "Stina" (real classy, that)...And She Closed
> Her Eyes is out on Atlantic, or at least is listed as such at CDC.

If my understanding of english is any good right now, then you're saying
that you have her new album on japanese import but don't know it's
release status in the u.s.?  Two months ago i caught wind that EastWest
in the u.s. was going to release her new album, and haven't seen anything
since then.  Think CDC would be able to tell me?  I'm not familiar with
them at all.  But you didn't tell us any more about the new album =(

kagin

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:40:57 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Re: Stina Nordenstam

I etched:

> > Memories of a Colour is (or was) available on Warner Bros or Reprise or
> > some such, under the name "Stina" (real classy, that)...And She Closed
> > Her Eyes is out on Atlantic, or at least is listed as such at CDC.

On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Kagin Lee wrote:

> If my understanding of english is any good right now, then you're saying
> that you have her new album on japanese import but don't know it's
> release status in the u.s.?  Two months ago i caught wind that EastWest
> in the u.s. was going to release her new album, and haven't seen anything
> since then.  Think CDC would be able to tell me?  I'm not familiar with
> them at all.  But you didn't tell us any more about the new album =(

That's because I've raved about it at least twice on here, and at least
once of those times very extensively. I don't like to be *that*
obnoxious, but was thinking of saying more since I disagree with the
Bjork comparison, but alas by system is going down in 30 seconds so it
will have to wait. :)


 einexile

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:35:22 -0800

From ivo

Subject Re: Stina Norderstrom (sp?)

Actually, I believe her album was just released about 2 weeks ago.  We
got it at our radio station, and we rarely, if ever, get imports.  I
don't know what it's called or what label it's on, but I do believe she's
from Texas.

*shrug*


"carry me, there's no one to comfort me, there's no one to comfort me,
there's no one to capture me...."

Ivo

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 03:33:35 -0800

From Kelli-Jeanne

Subject my essential listening treasures... aka 4ad album help.

  i've od'd on too much cran-rasberry juice and i've noticed that
  1 of the white lights on my xmas light strands {strung 'round the
  ceiling} is out. with that in mind, i'm gonna pick and choose some
  4ad albums that one might wish to consider when going out on a 4ad
  buying bonanza...

  le mystere cocteaux - the cocteau twins have a nice variety of discs
  to choose from, and basically..i feel that almost everything they
  have done has been golden, with the exception of 'blue bell knoll'.
  i feel the 'bbk' was far too cluttered in sound and i can't ever
  make it past 'carolyn's fingers' withut getting bored or depressed.
  i know this is a favourite of a lot of fans', so in it's defense i think
  it offers a nice array of sweetness and light for the most recent
  fans...but after having listened to them for so long, it's very hard for
  me to wade through all of what's going on in some of the songs. i guess
  i see it as cocteau mush. my personal favourite is 'treasure', followed
  up by 'garlands'. 'treasure' is really mystical and magickal in sound
  and texture and i derive a tremendous amount of pleasure from the
  record...on the other hand, 'garlands' is harsh and jagged...sort of
  bitter and ruddy coloured. 'treausre' is more like walking through a
  faerieland and discovering all these beautiful and wondrous images...
  'garlands' is a lot of built in turmoil spilling out... 'victorialand'
  is nice for getting real cozy, late at night, with your special one and
  having long and loving discussions about whatever floats into your
  mind...be it quentin tarantino or a peanuts cartoon. since the only
  thing i cozy up to at night is my cat, and he's not a very good late
  night conversationalist, i don't listen to this very much...i do think
  it makes for a wonderful christmas-y recording, however. 'love's easy
  tears' reminds me of arizona sunsets and warm summer days... there's
  much more to the CT catalogue, but any one of these releases is a wise
  choice for either a new fan or an intrigued person...

  spirit & body - dead can dance are, or at least were, too beautiful and
  moving for words to say. i'm rather fond of the self-titled first album,
  mainly for the memories it envokes but also the sombre tone of the songs.
  it's a rough recording...kind of shoddy in spots, not too unlike the
  first effort of the cocteau twins in quality. if there's one thing that
  sets this release apart from their others, it's the guitar work. the
  entire album is a wash of different textures..layered styles that wouldn't
  work in anyone else's hands but are somehow carried off by DCD. moving
  more into what is generally termed an 'ethnic' sound, i think a perfect
  blend of instruments, singing, and songwriting is 'the serpent's egg'.
  i think one has to have an open mind for music in order to listen to and
  appreciate dcd's work, because it is basically old world style interpretted
  by 20th century musicians. most people find it very pretentious music,
  but i think it's more the performers they find pretentious..not the music
  itself. i don't pick up too many dcd interviews and read through them, and
  i feel that i'm better off for it. anyhoo, i'd suggest any dcd recording
  to a new fan as a sort of starting/progressing point..with the
  exception of the last few albums {including 'ttw'}. i think the latter
  material is weak by many standards...

  sugaredglowing - this mortal coil is perfection, plain and simple.
  before hnia came into existence, tmc fulfilled what i needed most from
  music...a bridge between the music itself and the feelings & emotions
  of the listener. yes..it's "depressing" music, but depressing &
  melancholic music most often is moving and beautiful. taking the three
  full length releases in order, i find 'it'll end in tears' to be the
  most dark, yet a li'l naive too. i think the main attraction on this
  release for some 4ad fans is the vocal work done by lisa gerrard and
  liz fraser..which is quite stunning, as is expected of the two for that
  time period. liz & robin's 'song to the siren' is perhaps one of the most
  beautiful songs i've ever heard... 'filigree & shadow' is my favourite
  of the three releases. it has emotion and energy and mystery..all
  intertwining within each and every song. it's dear to my heart for many
  reasons and memories...esp. of a road trip into san francisco, early
  in the morning..literally being engulfed by a sea of thick, rolling white
  fog. quite an overwhelming experience...made even more so while 'tarantula'
  was playing... lastly, there's 'blood'. 'filigree' makes the dark days
  a bit easier to go through, while 'blood' puts a more comforting feeling
  into those same days. i find it to be a bit more playful, musically, and
  it might be a tad bit easier to listen to for any new/interested fan.
  besides, martin mccarrick is involved in tmc. what better reason to buy
  their releases? he doesn't play the cello...he makes it dance...

  a dream of death - his name is alive, and this goes without saying, are
  a group that i hold closest to my heart. without going into mind numbingly
  long dissertations about the releases {far longer than this note has turned
  out to be}, i'll just say that i favour 'livonia' over everything else, but
  i find everythig else to be just as beautiful and special as 'livonia'..in
  their own unique ways. 'home is in your head' is stripped of a lot of
  overall chaos and noise that loomed...though fuzzy..in 'livonia'. 'hiiyh'
  is more organic and "real" in nature, having the acoustic overtake the
  electric. strangely enough, and i still haven't worked out the reasons
  why, i thought about 'hiiyh' as i listened to pink floyd's 'dark side
  of the moon' today. in no way is that a comparison..just a side-ramble
  to this already overwhelming piece of babble that i've written. 'mouth
  by mouth' and 'the dirt eaters' are more diverse in style, yet still
  quirky and skewed. 'king of sweet' is a cross between the sound of 'mbm'
  and the dissonance of 'livonia'...

  i must be off now, to seclude the puppy for a minute as i bring my
  li'l kitty in for the remainder of the night. nigty-night li'l listies..


  *k*

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 03:43:41 -0800

From bmilner

Subject Stina Nordenstam reviews

Dear LIst,
        I was first introduced to Stina Nordenstam by Milla Jovavich at a
show here in Seattle a while ago. She was playing it over the PA system
after the show and she was really into them these days (she also loves
THE STORY, as do I...) It was the first album "memories of a color".

        Go buy this record. It has a joni mitchell meets waify voice
meets slightly spacey feel and her voice is just SO good. really delicate
and graceful and the songwriting is great too. I love spacey etherial
folky bands such as Heidi Berry and the like but I find their songwriting
lacking (quite a bit actually). not so with Stina. By the way, the first
album is usually under S for just STINA for some reason.
        It has lots of acoustic guitar, fretless bass-type grooves with
the occassional sax solo or wafting synth patch combining in a really
intereszting way. Nothing too groundbreaking, Joni Mitchell did all of
this stuff before but Stina does it so...alluringly. It has none of the
70's cheese, fusion middle age feel the Joni has been known to lapse
into. Stina's voice feels great to drive to in the rain. It can be quite
mellow but it was still riveting over a loud PA system...you get to hear
all the subtleties.

        The next record, released a few weeks ago is not as good I think,
though it has been getting glowing reviews. "and she closed her eyes"
just wasn't ready yet to me. She takes less chances with her melodies and
her vocals aren't recorded as smoothly. They also throw in some cheesy
synthy a la Tori Amos drum parts that really muddy up the organic feel
that I liked about the first record. Buy the first one, if you like it a
lot, then you will like this one too.

Brandon Milner
[email protected]

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:56:51 +0100

From Andre Van Leeuwen

Subject Heavenly Voices misunderstanding

There seems to be some misunderstanding concerning HV.

1. There is the 2CD Heavenly Voices released by Hyperium, both as a ltd.
   edition box containing 3 pictures/cards/... besides the two CD's.
   These are now being sold as HV I and HV II.

2. There is a french promo CD relased by Semantec called HV. This was
   to promote the Hyperium releases distributed by Semantec. It does
   not contain anything from HV I and HV II. All songs are taken from
   regular albums though (which I believe to be true of HV I and II
   as well by the way).

3. Hyperium has announced the upcoming release of HV III, of which I
   don't have a track listing, but I am very certain it will be different
   from the french promo.

Andre

PS, I still have one spare copy of the french promo....
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Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:01:52 +0100

From Andre Van Leeuwen

Subject Multiple copies of messages

Does anybody else receive multitudes of the same messages?
Who needs to be addressed?

Andre

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:19:49 GMT

From Simon Hughes

Subject Getting Better Over Time

              8 Nov 1994 13:08:28 CST

Thad wrote

>Again Simon sez:
>
>> As for His Name Is Alive, this is another group that's got worse (I once came
>> across a group that got better with time but I can't remember who it was).
>
>Well, one exmple I can think of is the Legendary Pink Dots. Though I
>like the early albums, it wasn't until Island of Jewels that they hit
>their peak (IMO of course). And I think pretty much everything through
>Maria Dimension is great. Feel free to disagree with me, flame me whatever.
>I know this isn't very thislisty.

Aren't there a lot of LPDs fans on this list?  I hate to be contradictory (I'm
not doing it just to be bloody-minded, honest! :-) but LPDs are a prime example
of my "everybody goes downhill" thesis for me.  I think Faces In The Fire is a
great album and things like Curse, The Tower, Basilisk, Apparition, Chemical
Playschool (did I get those titles right, it's so long since I listened to
them) are all pretty good.  But I've heard nothing after, say, The Tower that I
thought had any merit.  This is literally the case, there wasn't a single song
on Island Of Jewels or The Lovers (again, I'm not sure of the title) that I
liked.  Of course, now I don't hear LPDs so I shouldn't comment on anything
they've done in the 90s.

As to groups who do get better, Talk Talk and Joy Division spring to mind.  But
JD don't count because I didn't discover them until ~January 1980.  If I'd got
into them a year earlier, I probably would have said that Closer wasn't a patch
on Unknown Pleasures.  Does anyone else out there have this problem that the
groups they like only seem to get worse and nobody gets any better? :-(.

Simon

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Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:27:54 +0000

From Jon O Kvebaek

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Simon Hughes wrote:

> I tend to agree with all this.  Yes, I get the impression that most 4AD-lister

> think TMC got better rather than worse.  Also, much as I like Not Me, I agree
> it sits rather strangely on It'll End In Tears.  Maybe Ivo owed Colin Newman
> (?who wrote Not Me?) a favour.

Just my point...I'm not questioning the songs quality, I just feel it's
a odd one out on the album.

> For me, it's pretty simple.  I think Liz Frazer has easily the best singing
> voice I've ever heard.  And Song To The Siren and Another Day happen to rate
> amongst my favourite songs by Liz.  Add to that Fyt and a few good other track

> (which I can't remember offhand), and It'll End In Tears becomes one of my
> favourite albums.

Anyway, it makes up for including 'Not Me' ;)

This said, I have to add that I like all the albums, and I don't think TMC
ever went 'downhill'. I think I share the views of Kelli ( my essential
listening treasures... aka 4ad album help. ) when it comes down to TMC.

Jon - can't write code when he listens to Red House Painters. (What are
they up to now anyway?)

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Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:18:16 +0000

From Jonathan Smith

Subject digest

              94 11:09:49 am

please could some kind soul tell me how to switch to the digest, I
can't find the right command!
thanx,
      JOn.

[email protected]

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:04:43 -0500

From Deb

Subject Huh! Mag Info

I called about subscribing and when I told them I was most interested
in the mag, they informed me that Huh was being spun off from RVM.  It
will be a mag with a sampler CD, similar to the VOLUME series, I guess.
Total cost is about $6/month.  Call 1-800-777-2900 to subscribe.

Deb/ [email protected] / Yarn 0.73

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:32:17 -0600

From Jeff Davis

Subject Throwing Muses - Chains Changed: What's It Worth????

sorry to make our hallowed list an electronic commodities pit, but can
anyone please give me a read on what a mint vinyl Chains Changed might be
worth these days?

please respond back to me, not the list, to save bandwidth.

thx,
jjd

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:46:33 -0500

From Hk Kahng

Subject Jessamine!

I'd only heard one of their 7"s and a track from their debut album on Kranky,
and I definitely like what I heard.  Sort of a tripped out Valentines-y
dronepop w/ lots of bleepybloopy Moogsounds.  Wow!  I'm still looking for
the album (I found a copy on vinyl while on vacation in Ann Arbor last week,
but there simply was no way I could cram a 12" record into the two tiny bags
I was travelling on... sigh).

A friend of ours did a zine which has a really cool Jessamine track on a 7"
sandwiched in the zine (which has interviews w/ Bark Psychosis and Jessamine's
labelmates Labradford).  Actually, this is a rather poor attempt at a subtle
plug, as the 7" single was a joint release that Audrey's Diary and we (farrago
records) put together.  Anyhow, drop me a line for more info, lest I fumble
onwards twoleftfootedly on this subject.

And on the subject of bleepbloopy pop, has anyone picked up the _Why Popstars
Can't Dance_ compilation on Slumberland?  Two immediate reasons for snatching
up this gem: 1) it's got Stereolab's "John Cage Bubblegum" single which
easily qualifies as quality classic S'lab if there ever were and 2) it's also
got two earthshattering tracks by Rocketship - a Sacramento band that takes
analog bubblegumpop to the proverbial next level.  It's got a slew of other
really cool (and some relatively not-so-cool) stuff on it.

Any Rocketship fans on this list?

Cheers,


initialboy

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL

From "Neil G."

Subject v23 FONT

    Not too long ago there were postings concerning the font Vaughan
Oliver uses.  The code for this font came with a US magazine (Raygun
perhaps?) which we will never see over here.  Now friends and I like
making 4AD T-shirts for ourselves (we have made 2 sets in three years)
(limited to just ourselves-nose in the air precocious 4AD snobs!!).
There is a new shirt in the pipeline and we would like to use the
"4AD-font".  Could somebody who picked up this font from this
magazine please post the code to me.  We will make it worth your
while and send you a T-shirt if you like it.  Also, nearly all the
machines over here are PC's (ie. non-Apple's), so will this run under
Windows or and DOS?

    Neil
             parenthesis stuck on rapid-fire these days ):)

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:57:14 -0500

From Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Liz Fraser has appeared on the following (please add to this if I've missed
anything...)

Dif Juz  "Love Insane"
The Wolfgang Press  "Respect" (cover of the Aretha Frankling toon)
FSOL  "Lifeforms'
Fuel  "Butterfly Knife"
Ian McCulloch  "Candleland"
Medicine  "Time Baby 3"
Felt  "Primitive Painters"
This Mortal Coil   "Song to the Siren"
                   "Another Day"
                   "Sixteen Days" -- am I right about this one?
Peace Together  "Be Still"


Robin has done a LOT, including:

Dead Can Dance   guitar on their first LP
This Mortal Coil   Several pieces on "It'll End In Tears"
The Wolfgang Press   guitar on a few tracks on "The Legendary Wolfgang Press"
Felt      various collaborations
the Veldt     guitar on "Shaved" (NOTE: for those of you who are familiar with
              the Veldt, "Shaved" is simply a very scaled back version of "Blue-
             beard" with different drums.  Get it? "Shaved"....)
Fuel  guitar and other production on the EP "Timeless"
Medicine   guitar on "Time Baby 3"


Simon has appeared on 2 This Mortal Coil LP's (It'll End In Tears and Filigree
      and Shadow), as well as some work with Harold Budd. I remember someone
      mentioning that he did a one-time thing called "the Lillies", along
      with some members of Lush.


I can't think of any more...


Mike

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL

From HEMENT GOPAL <[email protected]>

Subject DCD banter

richard singer wrote something like I should give a second listen to
Towards...

Well I did...I should have said in my earlier letter that Sanvean
(spell??) is absolutely brilliant. I think it is one of Lisa's best
newer attempts. In fact i find myself listening to the last two songs
repeatedly.

Yesterday i decided to give the familiar songs a listen..and boy was
that a mistake. Cantara is one of my fave DCD compositions and what
Lisa did to it on "Towards.." was a shame. I actualy found her
singing to be a little pretentious. Yulunga was done so-so. Rakim is
still a hellava lot better on Dark Christ-mas and Brendan's "i am
stretched.." is ace on Hidden Treasures..can't say the same for the
version on Towards.

A little sad when one prefers booties to the real stuff, eh!!

Ahh well, each to his own. I found myself listening to Brendan's 13YI
set yesterady and there was some great stuff played there...i'm kinda
looking forward to his solo release.

cherio ppl
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!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
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Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:10:50 TZ

From David Goebel

Subject Re: Heavenly Voices misunderstanding

| 3. Hyperium has announced the upcoming release of HV III, of which I
|    don't have a track listing, but I am very certain it will be different
|    from the french promo.

It will indeed be a different collection, and will contain a track from
Seattle's "Faith & Disease".

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:30:00 -0500

From Matthew D Horine

Subject St. Louis shows?

Sorry about this post, but I am going to be in St. Louis tommorow through
Sunday and am wondering if anyone has any suggestions for things to do, shows
to see, etc...  [I need to find fun to offset a conference of psychologists].
Please let me know as soon as possible, all responses directly to me.

Thanks,
matt h
([email protected])

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:00:58 -0500

From Edward Pak

Subject ARCANA BOOKs - address

Can someone plese E-mail me their address?

I think it's:

1229 3rd St
Santa Monica, CA  (don't know zip)

but I don't want to send money to an unsure address

thanks

-eddie

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:10:53 -0600

From Steve Hill

Subject Re: Getting Better Over Time

In <[email protected]>, Simon Hughes wrote:>
> Aren't there a lot of LPDs fans on this list?  I hate to be contradictory (I'm
> not doing it just to be bloody-minded, honest! :-) but LPDs are a prime exampl

> of my "everybody goes downhill" thesis for me.  I think Faces In The Fire is a
> great album  ...  But I've heard nothing after, say, The Tower that I
> thought had any merit.  This is literally the case, there wasn't a single song
> on Island Of Jewels or The Lovers (again, I'm not sure of the title) that I
> liked.  Of course, now I don't hear LPDs so I shouldn't comment on anything
> they've done in the 90s.

To say that the Dots have changed a lot over the years is a gross
understatement. For me, they peaked in the mid-80s with ISLAND OF JEWELS and
The Lovers parts 1 and 2, and eventually THE GOLDEN AGE.  *BUT* I also think
the new stuff is excellent as well, just *different* and not quite as good as
earlier material (I miss the violins).
-shill


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Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:13:12 -0500

From Rebecca Fagan

Subject mistle thrush/portishead/Cranes

Just wanted to let all of you in the Boston area know that Mistle Thrush is
playing at the Middle East Friday night (the 11th) with Siddal, Vena, and the
US Steel Cello Orchestra. The show is a CD release party in honor of the new
Mistle Thrush 5-song CD EP that has just been released. If anyone wants more
info, please send me a message.

Just bought the new Portishead cd today, and really think it's incredible.
They took some of the ideas that they used on the ep and expanded on them.
everyone should go buy it, especially if you bought their ep and liked it.

Also picked up a copy of the Cranes, Jewel that people have been talking
about, and I really like the Thirlwell remix! I think it's great that the
Cranes got to choose other artists they wanted to work with. And the Ivo
remix is heaven....

rebecca
.....anxiously awaiting the copy of Lilliput that is to arrive any day
now.......

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:33:27 LCL

From Sargent David Edward

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Liz Fraser has appeared on the following (please add to this if
I've missed > anything...)
>
> Dif Juz  "Love Insane"
> The Wolfgang Press  "Respect" (cover of the Aretha Frankling toon)
> FSOL  "Lifeforms'
> Fuel  "Butterfly Knife"
> Ian McCulloch  "Candleland"
> Medicine  "Time Baby 3"
> Felt  "Primitive Painters"
> This Mortal Coil   "Song to the Siren"
>                    "Another Day"
>                    "Sixteen Days" -- am I right about this one?
> Peace Together  "Be Still"

Don't forget "I am the Crime" by the Wolfgang Press. It's on Standing
up Straight, an album that someone was trying to sell here yesterday.
I'd buy it if I had any money. SuS is my fave TWP album. Crescendos
are essential!
By the way, is that the same Fuel that was on Volume 5? Fucking great
song, mostly due to Robin's handiwork..
Love,
[email protected]

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:57:57 -0600

From Sanz

Subject swirly dreampop LIVE

              SWIRLSOUNDS ,
              Indiepop 

Hi all,

If you live in Osh Kosh or Minneapolis, you might want to check out SHE
live this week.

Wisconsin-OshKosh (free & all ages) with Milwaukee's Sidereal.

February. (SHE may also be playing live on-the-air at Radio K (show sponsor)
at 4p or 5p that day, but no confirmation as of yet).

SHE is a swirly indiepop 4 piece from Chicago fitting somewhere between
Galaxie 500 and early My Bloody Valentine. They're no afraid to be
delicate.

Shapeshifter is a similar, but more agressive, but still spiritual (think
Verve) Minneapolis band (Prospective/TwinTone). I saw them about 2 months
ago & they were brilliant!

Sidereal plays densely texturized guitar pop.

I haven't hear February, but I've been told that they're an extremely
dreamy girl-fronted pop band.


Take Care,
Sanz



****************
Sanz Lashley SHE-dreampop straight up w/ a noisy chaser!
      snail: 5602 N. Ridge, Chicago, IL 60660

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:57:01 -0800

From Fun Gus

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

> but also some weaker stuff.. Four-Calendar Cafe is the newest one,
> and is their least impressive LP (but I still like it a lot)...

Michael Cheselka:
> Why do people always say "FCC is their weakest album, but I really
> like it a lot"?  Is it too much in the normal vein of music?  I have
> listened to it quite a bit and like it as much as The Pink Opaque.

I think most fans agree that FCC is their weakest... I don't think the
vocals are very impressive compared to most of the previous stuff, the
guitar work is more simplistic, the drums are less prominent... etc.  And
while I don't like it as much as the others, I don't dislike it -- I like
everything they've ever released.  It's just FCC is more fluffy and
accessible and I prefer the more interesting early works.