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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:26:29 -0500

From Matthew D Horine

Subject Moonshake/ Lisa Germano

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:40:04 -0500

From Matt Krom

Subject Re: *Xymox*

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:48:49 -0500

From Lance Linimon

Subject Skinner box

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:10:59 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Seefeel/Autechre

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:25:44 +0100

From Andre Van Leeuwen

Subject Re: Chains Changed

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:13:16 GMT

From Simon Hughes

Subject Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:49:19 +0000

From "K. Bruner"

Subject Re: Chains Changed

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 03:41:22 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Autechre!!!!!! :)

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:12:39 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Re: Autechre!!!!!! :)

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:59:22 +0000

From Jon O Kvebaek

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:34:35 +0000

From The RAnter <130FS4%[email protected]>

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:52:38 +0000

From The silly tart <130FS4%[email protected]>

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:02:00 EST

From Mike Mario

Subject Chains Changed

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:24:48 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Chains Changed

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:01:31 +0500

From Brian McKay

Subject Re: New Xymox Remix CD

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:22:43 +0500

From Brian McKay

Subject Re: *Xymox*

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:55:52 -0600

From Steve Hill

Subject Re: *Xymox*

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 08:50:53 -0800

From Brant Nelson

Subject Re: Dif Juz = "diffuse"

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:00 -0500

From Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear

Subject Re: Moonshake/ Lisa Germano

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:53:39 +0400

From Dmitry Bender

Subject Tindersticks dilemma

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:08:28 CST

From [email protected]

Subject Getting Better Over Time

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:21:46 -0600

From Steve Hill

Subject Pale Saints and Chicago stuff

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:27:51 -0800

From Brian Keeley

Subject speaking of Alison's Halo...

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:41:54 -0500

From Marvyn Hortman

Subject Stina Norderstrom (sp?)

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:57:56 -0600

From Bostick J M

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:13:15 -0800

From Jason Schmit

Subject Dreampop mailing list

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:09:39 LCL

From [email protected]

Subject Re: JAMC AND MAZZY STAR

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:37:57 -0800

From Heffalump

Subject Re: Chains Changed

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:58:17 -0500

From "James P. Crimm"

Subject Re: 4AD-FAQ please?

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:34:48 -0400

From Bryan M

Subject what im listening to

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:48:00 0000

From STARLITE BROCK EXT 4807

Subject Re: JAMC AND MAZZY STAR

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:43:25 -0800

From Jens Alfke

Subject Dog Faced Hermans

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:53:59 -0500

From [email protected]

Subject Re: Chains Changed

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:09:07 -0500

From Susan Curran

Subject Re: Stina Norderstrom (sp?)

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:30:13 -0500

From Michael garrett

Subject Re: Stina Norderstrom (sp?)

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:27:00 PST

From Linh Trieu

Subject Re: Lush

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:27:11 EST

From Lawren Wu

Subject Re: Moonshake/ Lisa Germano

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:46:07 PST

From Ara Kermanikian

Subject New Xymox Remix CD

From Jan Hanford

Subject New Xymox Remix CD

Date Monday, November 07, 1994 9:56PM

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:00:37 -0500

From [email protected]

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:07:43 -0500

From Richard Singer

Subject Re: Info sought about 4AD albums

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:27:23 -0500

From pyromania the new alternateen craze

Subject Re: Moonshake/ Lisa Germano

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:18:08 GMT

From Simon Hughes

Subject Info sought about 4ad albums

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:16:13 -0500

From Brendon Macaraeg

Subject Re: JAMC and MAZZY STAR

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:26:29 -0500

From Matthew D Horine

Subject Moonshake/ Lisa Germano

I'm wondering if anyone out there has a Moonshake discography...  If not, could
whoever has _First_  send me label and track info, please? (send that directly
to me, of course...)

About LG, who is going to the show in Detroit Wednesday?  I think the album is
great -- heavy on atmosphere and depressing, but everything seems to fit
together.  How do the new songs translate live?  As I remember, there was one
review that didn't like her set, so what do others think?

Curious,

matt h
([email protected])

ps...  Does anyone know anything about a band called Jessamine (or something
like that)?  I saw a single (cool packaging) and an album at the local record
store and want to know what they're like.  The album is out on the same label
as Labradford.

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:40:04 -0500

From Matt Krom

Subject Re: *Xymox*

>3) Does anyone remeber the song Twisted, which was played live during
>        during the Phoenix tour ? In Chicago, it was right before Phoenix.
>
>4) By the Phoenix tour, were XYMOX even playing their instruments ?
>        During Craving, I could swear Anka put her bass down, yet the bass
>        was still playing .

Howdy,

I was also at the Chicago Phoenix show!  It was really incredible, I didn't
expect them to be nearly as good live.  Yeah, "Twisted" is a Phoenix b/side,
one of the better songs at the Chicago show.  Sure, they were playing
marvelously.  Don't forget that there were some sampled bass lines and
drum beats, but of the sort that you wouldn't expect them to play them in
the first place.  Most of the time, live drums were mixed with samples,
and Anke's cool fluid bass was overlaid by simpler sampled lines.  During
one or two of her songs, Ronny picked up the bass...

Thanks for the reviews -- neither of those discs sounds exciting, think I'll
look for Subsequent Pleasures!

Cheers,
Matt Krom
[email protected]

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:48:49 -0500

From Lance Linimon

Subject Skinner box

Okay, the future here is uncertain. Julianna is currently absorbed
w/ academia, and I don't think that there are any further plans
for Skinner box at the moment. She told me once, quite a while ago,
that she might be headed back in the general direction of the local
studio, but she hasn't mentioned it in the last few times we've
spoken.

Sorry about the overproduced comment! I quite like the first album
esp. "Field of Holes." Her opinion about too much reverb on that
one has kinda rubbed off on me. It's still beautiful.

And funny that the Cranes should be mentioned, 'cause the first
time I heard "Wings of Joy"
ith a lot of that piano, I thought
of Skinner box.

If there are those out there who care about Skinner box and would
like to see future releases as much as I woul, please write her.
I don't have TS's address handy, but i can find it an' email it
to all interested parties. I usually beg and plead for more of
her work, but she's used to that by now.



Lance

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:10:59 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Seefeel/Autechre

vilexile  said:
>
> I'll raise you a quarter and say that the Autechre album itself is pretty
> tasty. In fact it's wonderful and better than the single...but the
> Seefeel mix is definitely brilliant, as is the recent version of
> Charlotte's Mouth on Excursions in Ambience 3 (which otherwise, for lack
> of a more well considered opinion, is crap except for the very depressing
> but nice Aphex Twin track.)
>

Which Autechre album?  I have two now, "Amber" was released in the UK
yesterday.  Eleven tracks, none previously released, nice cover.
Haven't listened to it all, and I was dog-tired when I got home last
night, but it sounds great - a lot more rhythmic than "Incunabula", like
the "Anti" EP.

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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:25:44 +0100

From Andre Van Leeuwen

Subject Re: Chains Changed

I believe it was also released on CD together with two other
ep's originally released by 4AD (from other groups).
This CD was a japanese pressing and quite expensive.


Andre
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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:13:16 GMT

From Simon Hughes

Subject Info sought about 4ad albums

Lee Graham Bridges wrote

>I'm becoming a big fan of the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance.  I have a
>couple of albums from each one.  I was wondering if someone could give me
>some feedback about their albums, perhaps tell which ones are strongest and
>which are weakest, 'cause I plan on collecting all of them.  Also info on
>albums by His Name Is Alive, Xymox, Lush, and This Mortal Coil would be
>appreciated.  Thank you.

Well, lately there's been a lot of mouthy shooting off, saying this band's crap
and that band's ace and saying DCD ripped LSD and Siouxsie would be nothing
without Liz etc. etc.  And you know what, I want a piece of the action.  So
just wrap a huge big IMHO round the rest of this post and sprinkle it liberally
with salt (espesh since I haven't actually heard some of the records I'm about
to slag off).

With the Cocteaus, the best albums are Treasure and Head Over Heels.  Both are
brilliant.  Also, everybody should have Victorialand.  Garlands is pretty good
too and I wouldn't complain if you bought Blue Bell Knoll or Head Over Heels.
Steer clear of Four Calendar Cafe, it's crap.

As to what they sound like, Garlands is pretty harsh, sharp guitars and a
wailing voice.  Treasure is kinda etherial bliss-out and Head Over Heels is
musically inbetween (as befits the chronology).  Victorialand is very gentle,
almost acoustic while Blue Bell Knoll sees the beginning of the slide into MOR
blandness.  It gets worse from there on in.

As for Dead Can Dance, the only one worth bothering with is the first.  The
rest are pseudo-interesting masturbatory crap.  There is hardly a decent song
or anything on Within The Realm or The Serpent's Egg.

As for His Name Is Alive, this is another group that's got worse (I once came
across a group that got better with time but I can't remember who it was).
Livonia is pretty good and Home Is In Your Head is worth considering too.  It's
downhill therafter.

Xymox are a joke.  To be consistent, I should also say they are crap.  Their
first few albums were a dreadful goth nonsense and there last few are a
dreadful disco nuisance.

Scar, by Lush, was a very good debut.  Nothing else by them is worth the time
of day (ie., they are now crap).

This Mortal Coil are the prime example of a group/idea going downhill.  It'll
End In Tears was excellent, while Filligree and Shadow was pretty good.  But
Blood is awful.  Hardly a decent song on it.  Just as well TMC aren't doing any
more stuff cos. it'd be ... crap.

What would a psychologist say about the fact that I think all groups go
downhill ("Well Mr Hughes, considering your progressively more unhappy
childhood, and the fact that Dead Can Dance piss over everything else on 4AD, I
am forced to conclude that you are full of crap").

Oh boy, being rude and blunt is kinda fun.  But I gotta grow up again now,
so...

Simon

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:49:19 +0000

From "K. Bruner"

Subject Re: Chains Changed

Andre Van Leeuwen  writes:

>I believe it was also released on CD together with two other
>ep's originally released by 4AD (from other groups).
>This CD was a japanese pressing and quite expensive.

Wait, I think I remember hearing about that once.  Could anyone tell me
the name of that album?


Thanks for the offer.

--
When People contend for the Liberty, they seldom get anything by their
Victory but new masters.                --George Savile, Marquis of Halifax

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 03:41:22 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Autechre!!!!!! :)

For the uninitiated: Autechre are an incredible amazing ambient project
on Warp, the world's first *perfect* recod label. :) They sound something
like the Aphex Twin's "Polygon Window" project--ambience in a peaceful
atmosphere with sinister overtones similar to the Reload album A
Collection of Short Stories. Some Autechre songs are _beautiful_ ...others
are menacing and ominous. They are always catchy, and invoke (for me,
anyway) an unusually wide array of emotions for electronic music. In that
way, the only band I would say can outdo them is my personal fave, Black
Dog Productions. Rhythmically they are similar, though Autechre has a
very clean sound. It is this sterility which gives them much of the
unique dread, hostility, regret, and urgency that sets them apart from
other bands. I *highly* recommend them.

On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, A.J. Norman wrote:

> > I'll raise you a quarter and say that the Autechre album itself is pretty
> > tasty.

> Which Autechre album?  I have two now, "Amber" was released in the UK
> yesterday.  Eleven tracks, none previously released, nice cover.
> Haven't listened to it all, and I was dog-tired when I got home last
> night, but it sounds great - a lot more rhythmic than "Incunabula", like
> the "Anti" EP.

Damn! DAMN DAMN DAMN!! I had no idea anything was planned; I'd assumed
that since Anti was a special release, nothing was planned so soon,
plus, isn't Incunabula fairly young? It's times like these I have a
slight pang of regret that I do not torment myself with a subscription to
that most wretched of all internet mailing lists, idm. Didn't the last
album come out in January? Wow.

Anyhow, I don't see how you can get much more rhythmic than Incunabula...
is that nice evil spooky sound still there? It was kind of gone from the
track on AI2, which I adored anyway. How does that song compare? Chatter,
I mean. (I don't have Anti.) (For your reference, I *die* over 444 and
Bike.)

Is there a way to order direct from Warp? I find that the channels of
communication are always breaking down between their releasing something
and me finding out it's available. What's a good source for this
information? Can one perchance order direct from Warp its holy self?

 einexile

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:12:39 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Re: Autechre!!!!!! :)

              94 03:41:22 am

vilexile  said:
>
> Damn! DAMN DAMN DAMN!! I had no idea anything was planned; I'd assumed
> that since Anti was a special release, nothing was planned so soon,
> plus, isn't Incunabula fairly young? It's times like these I have a
> slight pang of regret that I do not torment myself with a subscription to
> that most wretched of all internet mailing lists, idm. Didn't the last
> album come out in January? Wow.

I think it was about this time last year that "Incunabula" was released,
and it was apparently a compilation of old tracks (like most of Warp's
AI series), rather than a purpose-built album like "Amber".  The IDM
list has a very low s/n ratio (I think vilexile and I were members at
about the same time, seems as if we have both come to the same
conclusion).

>
> Anyhow, I don't see how you can get much more rhythmic than Incunabula...
> is that nice evil spooky sound still there? It was kind of gone from the
> track on AI2, which I adored anyway. How does that song compare? Chatter,
> I mean. (I don't have Anti.)

They don't sound as "spooky" - the characteristic Autechre sound for me
was that buzzing that electrical equipment makes just before it dies.
The newer sound is rhythmic, but in a far more intricate way than their
earlier stuff.  "Anti" is superb - three non-album tracks, 25 minutes.
If people aren't sure about electronic music, I'd highly recommend
Warp's "Artificial Intelligence II" compilation, especially if you can
get hold of the limited double CD.  Most of the "big names" are on it
(Global Communications, Black Dog, B12, Autechre, Beaumont Hannant,
Seefeel), and it is much better than the first compilation (good though
that was).

To bring the subject slightly closer to 4AD, I'll grab the addresses of
mail-order places from tomorrow's NME and post them to the group - I
ordered some stuff from Adrian's a couple of weeks ago and got a pretty
prompt response (albeit on some fairly common stuff - I have a nasty
feeling that some of the rarites in their catalogue are never going to
turn up in my letter box).  They welcome overseas orders, so that may be
a good way for people abroad to get hold of UK releases.


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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:59:22 +0000

From Jon O Kvebaek

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Simon Hughes wrote:

> Lee Graham Bridges wrote
>
> This Mortal Coil are the prime example of a group/idea going downhill.  It'll
> End In Tears was excellent, while Filligree and Shadow was pretty good.  But
> Blood is awful.  Hardly a decent song on it.  Just as well TMC aren't doing an

> more stuff cos. it'd be ... crap.

I've always had the impression that the majority of the list thinks it's the
other way around (as do I). What I can't understand, and never will, is why
they included 'Not Me' on 'It'll End In Tears'...that song almost ruined the
album for me. On the other hand, 'Fond Affections' and 'Another Day' are up
there with my all time greatest, so...

Jon


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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:34:35 +0000

From The RAnter <130FS4%[email protected]>

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

              8 Nov 1994 12:59:22 +0000 from 

I must agree with most of Simon's views on TMC.It may be that most of the list
feel that IEIT and F+g are weaker than Blood,but I always felt that Blood was b
y far the best,with Tears beating a close second.Maybe it is because I had
got my slutty little paws on these as they came out,and my perspective on them
is still the view I had then:that at the time they were like nothing I had enco
untered before.They were fresh and original,and IEIT was new in a world of
Gothy guitar noise(this is simplification,Iknow)I havent had the luck(??)of
taking them as one set,which several ppl seem to have been able to(apologies if
you have been an old timer into TMC from the '60s!!)So,my perception is tainted
by my experience,and by the time Blood came out I felt that the formula was
getting well-worn and rather over-produced.I still enjoy Blood,but get the
distinct impression that Ivo/John may have been trying too hard to eclipse the
glories of the first two.
On the issue of Not Me,I think it fits in nicely with the rest of the album,tak
ing into account that 4AD was not at that stage about conformity,only quality.
The exceptional was to be found on 4AD(ANd to a lesser extent still is)and I
still rate Colourbox as one of my top 5 4AD bands.To say that Not Me detracts
from the album is like saying that Hot Doggie ruins lonely.Bollocks!!
Anyway,feel freee to argue.My Reasons facility is back after Fridays little
beavis+butthead excursion.
It is uncool to be cool
HOTE!!

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:52:38 +0000

From The silly tart <130FS4%[email protected]>

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

              8 Nov 1994 12:59:22 +0000 from 

HMMM,I just read my last bit of acid to the list and realised that I said that
Blood was my fave.Scratch that.IT should beFilligree +Shadow,and Ithink that If
 you bear that in mind the letter will make sense.

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:02:00 EST

From Mike Mario

Subject Chains Changed

Haven't been able to find a copy of the Japanese CD but here is the info I've
collected.

It contains the following eps

Throwing Muses: Chains Changed EP
The Wolfgang Press: Big Sex
A.R. Kane: Lolita (the first time I see she dance)
Frazier Chorus: Sloppy Heart 12"

The number on the spine of the disc (_12 Inch Anthology 87_) is
CY-4415, with 2 companies listed, Jade Music Co., Ltd., and
Nippon Columbia Co., Ltd. The rest of the related information
is in Japanese.

--mike

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:24:48 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Chains Changed

Mike Mario  said:
>
> Haven't been able to find a copy of the Japanese CD but here is the info I've
> collected.
>
> It contains the following eps
>
> Throwing Muses: Chains Changed EP
> The Wolfgang Press: Big Sex
> A.R. Kane: Lolita (the first time I see she dance)
> MARRS: Pump Up the Volume
> Frazier Chorus: Sloppy Heart 12"

I think that should be:

A.R. Kane: Lolita

"Anitina" was the B-side to PUTV, and was basically an ARKane song.
"Lollita" (sic) was the EP which was ARKane's only 4AD release.

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[email protected]                      |

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:01:31 +0500

From Brian McKay

Subject Re: New Xymox Remix CD

> I just saw a CD for the first time of Xymox remixes from the Headclouds era.
>  Although it says "remixes", some are "US only", some are "new mix", they
> all sound like the originals to me.  There are a lot of tracks on the CD,
> like 20.  I am a total Xymox fan but am tired of spending $22.99 for
> compilations of stuff I already have.  Does anyone know if these really are
> remixes or just yet another pricy import compilation?  Many thanks.


I asked about this yesterday... here's whats on it:

Xymox - Remix (1990-1994)                               Zok             $20.50 #

spiritual high*
reaching out*
dream on
sedated
awakening
a single day*
soul free**
b who u wanna b
real
headclouds*
revolve
january
tight rope walker
prohecy
it's your life
love thrills
xdd
the beginning
high & low
love me

* = new mix
** = USA only

It appears to be stuff from Metamorphosis and Headclouds, and other singles
from post-Phoenix Xymox.  For $21 its probably not a bad deal, but it depends
on your personal taste.

-brian
[email protected]

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:22:43 +0500

From Brian McKay

Subject Re: *Xymox*

> Now that I have babbled on and given fairly substantial reviews
> of 2 releases, hopefully someone can answer some of my queries.
>
> 1) What has become of Anka Wolbert ? It seems that the few songs
>    that she was given credit for were actually some of my favorite
>    XYMOX songs.
>
> 2) Is Pieter up to anything, or has he been playin with House like
>         Ronny ?

The last rumor I heard, which has neither been confirmed or denied, was that
"ex-Xymox" members (no mention of who) were working with Toni Halliday
(ex-Curve vocalist) in a new band called Bud.

And I got this blurb via alt.gothic.  No confirmation on this.

|> Xymox (Ronny Moorings, Anka Wolbert, an additional keyboard player and (I
|> am not 100% sure anymore) a drummer) are doing an extensive tour through
|> the Netherlands this moment. I saw them in Amsterdam, september 14th.
|> They did a gig with lots of citations from older work. I remember an
|> hypnotic version of Stranger. They were announced as gothic-house and
|> that's what they sounded like. I enjoyed dancing on it.
|> It was in a large club: the Milkyway, but only 40 people showed up. The
|> rest of the tour they play in very small places. I think they deserve
|> better.

> 3) Does anyone remeber the song Twisted, which was played live during
>         during the Phoenix tour ? In Chicago, it was right before Phoenix.

I have it as a b-side, and I actually think it was stronger then most of
the stuff on Phoenix.  One of the better Anka songs, IMHO.

-brian
[email protected]

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:55:52 -0600

From Steve Hill

Subject Re: *Xymox*

In <[email protected]>, Brian McKay wrote:
> > 3) Does anyone remeber the song Twisted, which was played live during
> >         during the Phoenix tour ? In Chicago, it was right before Phoenix.
>
> I have it as a b-side, and I actually think it was stronger then most of
> the stuff on Phoenix.  One of the better Anka songs, IMHO.

"Believe Me Sometimes", "Twisted", and especially "Down to Earth" are the best
tracks from that time, IMHO. If you haven't heard "Down to Earth", it's worth
finding. CD single for "At the End of the Day" (but not the 12").
I finally found a copy of "Senses Coalesce"...there are two different vinyl
12" singles for "Blind Hearts" (actually 3 if you count the 4AD single), one
of them is promo only and has "Senses Coalesce" which I previously believed to
be only available on the cassette single... another great song worth finding.
-shill

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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 08:50:53 -0800

From Brant Nelson

Subject Re: Dif Juz = "diffuse"

> imparted the information that the band I've called "Dif Juz" with a hard
> "j" is actually pronounced "diffuse" - i.e. the "j" has a "y" sound, as

Richard Thomas the drummer for Dif Juz said you can say it either way
at the 13 Year Itch. Also I've heard Ivo himself say it with the
hard J, and Dave Curtis and Mick Allen didn't correct me when I
said it that way.

brant

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:00 -0500

From Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear

Subject Re: Moonshake/ Lisa Germano

As for Lisa Germano live, she's brilliant IMO. I saw her last night with
Pale Saints. Amazing show. A couple of the songs from the new album were
done completely solo with a keyboard.  Then the whole band got involved.
Really good.  She's a great musician.  It was a really intimate show,
too. There couldn't have been more than 50 people there.

Pale Saints were amazing as well. I had the opportunity to talk with Meriel
for a while before the show.  Great conversation....I bought her a drink,
too. (She likes vodka/cranberry).  Actually, it was amazing how at-ese
(that's ease) the band was.  They were all very congenial, moving amongst
us and goofing off.

"Sight of You" and that Buzzcocks cover were brilliant.  The whole set was
brilliant.  I wish they had played "Fine Friend", but Meriel said it wasn't
on the list. She did write "I'll never walk into your arms" in my CD book0
let, though.

Anyway, go see it if they're coming your way.


Mike

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:53:39 +0400

From Dmitry Bender

Subject Tindersticks dilemma

Hi gang,

I've got a dilemma:

CDNOW has three entries for Tindersticks:

   [TINDERSTICKS................................................]
   n r . -------------------------------- CD $13.77 Cass $8.97
   [AMSTERDAM (LIVE FEB. 4, '94)................................]
   n r . -------------------------------- CD $20.97

   [KATHLEEN (EP) + 3 TRACKS....................................]
   n r . -------------------------------- CD $11.97

Could anybody give me an arroximate comparisons for last two ones and their
studio album - their similarities, differences, different feelings they
evoke etc..

Have an ability to pick up any three albums for free so should decide for
myself that I want most of all. Another candidates Low and Bark Psychosis,
so maybe you can point me out which bands I should prefer (actually I have
all studio albums of mentioned above bands on tapes but need CDs badly ...)

---
Dmitri Bender......... [email protected] .................................
.............."Nothing is beautiful from every point of view"....Horace

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:08:28 CST

From [email protected]

Subject Getting Better Over Time

Which is really Re: Info sought about 4AD albums, but I enjoy
changing subjects as it suits me so there :-P

Simon Sez:

> (erm... not exact quote. I'll paraphrase: "everybody is crap")

Well this post made me laugh. Maybe cause I've had way to much
coffee, and my fingertip are sweating...ooh gross. Also because
I like almost everything This Mortal Foil, and Coctoes, and
His Name Is Alive and Dead Can Dance have put out, so that's
why I don't post too often cause I like eveything, so my opinion
is useless :-/

I also love the first to Xymox albums, and I though the new stuff
was boring disco tripe.

And I disagree with some of e's opinions, but I never argue with
him because he always backs up his opinions so well. Except his weird
obsessive hatred of Hyperium. :-) And he better get in touch him me
if he wants those live UVS recordings.

So on to the whole point of this damn post:
Again Simon sez:

> As for His Name Is Alive, this is another group that's got worse (I once came
> across a group that got better with time but I can't remember who it was).

Well, one exmple I can think of is the Legendary Pink Dots. Though I
like the early albums, it wasn't until Island of Jewels that they hit
their peak (IMO of course). And I think pretty much everything through
Maria Dimension is great. Feel free to disagree with me, flame me whatever.
I know this isn't very thislisty.

So to close this completely nonsenseical post, I should tell everyone to
go see Killing Joke. They restored my faith in live music. My girl-friend
said they were too agressive, but she still admitted that they were great.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just an overdose of caffeine"

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:21:46 -0600

From Steve Hill

Subject Pale Saints and Chicago stuff

Hey all you Chicago friends:

An unconfirmed rumour puts Pale Saints up for an in-store appearance at
Reckless Records (Broadway at Belmont) before the show on Friday. Please post
if someone can confirm this.

Also for Chicago peoples:

This Wednesday (that's tomorrow, evennn...) at Club 950 (come on, you know
where it is by now, don't you?) 4AD fanatic Leroy Fields is showing "Toward
the Within" by Dead Can Dance on the big screen (and all the little screens
too). He's also got giveaways like Lisa Germano, Pale Saints, you know, that
sort of thing, and probably tickets for Friday's show. So go. If you're one of
the first ten people after 9 pm, get a free 950 t-shirt (it's our 14th
anniversary).

Also remember that coming November 21 is my Legendary Pink Dots feature night.
If you know any Pink Dots fans in the Chicago area, please PLEASE let them
know about it.

email me with any questions, [email protected]
-shill

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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:27:51 -0800

From Brian Keeley

Subject speaking of Alison's Halo...

Somebody mentioned great Tucson bands, and then somebody else mentioned
a Arizona Music 'Zine featuring an interview with Alison's Halo.  Has
anybody heard/seen anything by this band?  A few months ago I picked
up a mag+CD called _Project X_ that featured Henry's Dress,

loveliescrushing, and other cool bands.  By far the best track was
a debut by AH.  The mag said a single or album was forthcoming.
I've been keeping an eye out for it, but haven't seen nothin'
yet.

Reality

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:41:54 -0500

From Marvyn Hortman

Subject Stina Norderstrom (sp?)

Does anyone know if a discography exists for this blissful woman?  I have a
couple of songs by her on a tape that e made for me (I'm still playing that
thing to death, :) ) that are absolutely wonderful, but I haven't been able to
find any information on her.

Any info would be appreciated...I'm guessing that she must be available as an
import only?

Also, has there been any further news on the existence of the third "Heavenly
Voices" CD/French edition?


thanks,

marvynHortman

"The EPA is responsible for the Challenger accident."

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:57:56 -0600

From Bostick J M

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

        On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Simon Hughes wrote:

> Lee Graham Bridges wrote
>
> This Mortal Coil are the prime example of a group/idea going downhill.  It'll
> End In Tears was excellent, while Filligree and Shadow was pretty good.  But
> Blood is awful.  Hardly a decent song on it.  Just as well TMC aren't doing an

> more stuff cos. it'd be ... crap.

I've always had the impression that the majority of the list thinks it's the
other way around (as do I). What I can't understand, and never will, is why
they included 'Not Me' on 'It'll End In Tears'...that song almost ruined the
album for me. On the other hand, 'Fond Affections' and 'Another Day' are up
there with my all time greatest, so...

        Jon

    and I. I really like the 1st 1/2 of ...Tears. especailly the Alex Chilton
 covers. Like F&G ok. But I like Blood the best.

                                 mark

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:13:15 -0800

From Jason Schmit

Subject Dreampop mailing list

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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:09:39 LCL

From [email protected]

Subject Re: JAMC AND MAZZY STAR

>...bah. I saw Mazzy Star here in Cincinnati at Bogart's earlier this yea
>(three days after I saw Cocteau Twins at the same place; my ears were
>still ringing). The opening band was a last-minute sub of a local band
>named "Lazy" (who just released their first CD on Roadrunner -- "Crush"
>is a great song), and there were maybe 20 people there during their whole
>set.
>
Hey, I was one of those people.
>I still think that about ten minutes into Mazzy Star's set they started
>letting people in for free because suddenly the room was full of talking,
>smoking, drinking people -- I got burnt by a cigarette -- such that I
>couldn't really see the candle-lit stage, much less Mazzy Star. I ended
>up pushing my way up by the stage and elbowing anyone who spoke.
>
Yeah, people were talking all the way thru the show.  Two guys behind me must
have talked the whole hour about how to make fake passports.
What pissed me off the most were the people who kept yelling "Why do you have a
microphone up your crotch?"  referring to a mic aimed to pick up Hope's
tamborine.
>Then again, I've come to the conclusion that Bogart's isn't a really cool
>place to see someone, though they get a lot of cool bands. (Frente! is on
>the 11th... sigh.) People didn't even give Milla a chance when she opened
>for Crash Test Dummies, and it was just as loud as the Mazzy Star crowd
>noise -- which pissed me off because I had bought the tix to see Milla!
>
Bogart's does get alot of shits coming to their shows.  The best show I've seen
there was Lush back in July,  the only time I've seen a crowd smaller than the
crowd at Mazzy Star was at the Velocity Girl show a couple of weeks ago, but
that crowd was pretty cool.
the opening bands definitely get most of the bullshit,  when Veruca Salt opened
for Hole there last month, the people just wouldn't stop yelling "you suck!"
But i guess most of the people there were just MTV grunge freaks who couldn't
wait for Hole so they could start moshing.
Seeya,
Matt

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:37:57 -0800

From Heffalump

Subject Re: Chains Changed

> I believe it was also released on CD together with two other
> ep's originally released by 4AD (from other groups).
> This CD was a japanese pressing and quite expensive.

Does anyone have the title, price (yen), catalog #, and label (I assume
nippon columbia...) for this?  I've got a friend in Japan right now, so...

                            [email protected]
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:58:17 -0500

From "James P. Crimm"

Subject Re: 4AD-FAQ please?

<<<<"

     They will generat a FAQ


     Cherio,     Pat

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:34:48 -0400

From Bryan M

Subject what im listening to

4aders-
       afghanistan at nwnd is listening to

1. oasis-definitely maybe
2. suede-dog man star
3. smiths-self-titled(suffer little children in particular)
4. pulp fiction soundtrack
5. red house painters-all of it
6. kristen hersh-hips and makers
7. clan of xymox-self titled
8. my bloody valentine-loveless
9. dead can dance-toward the within (sanvean and dont fade away in particular)
10. house of love-untitled on creation
                     how bout you?              jxc rid of the gremlins yet?

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:48:00 0000

              ignored.

From STARLITE BROCK EXT 4807

Subject Re: JAMC AND MAZZY STAR

It was rough here to.  SOme mosher jumped on stage and pulled Hopes dress
over her head and then pulled the entire thing off... end of gig.
S

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:43:25 -0800

From Jens Alfke

Subject Dog Faced Hermans

Um, don't think I ever got back with the exact info on the Dog Faced Hermans
albums for Kelli-Jeanne or anyone else interested. What I have is:

"Mental Blocks For All Ages" (1991)
"Hum Of Life" (1993)
"Those Deep Buds" (1994)

The first two are originally on Konkurrel, a Dutch label, but released in the
US by Project A Bomb:
  2541 Nicollet Ave S.
  Minneapolis MN 55404
  Fax 612-645-1592.
The new one is on Alternative Tentacles and should thus have good
distribution.
The address of the band is
  Postbus 14767
  1001 LG Amsterdam, Holland

There is also an earlier release that compiles some EPs; I haven't seen it in
stores.

Given a choice, I'd say "Hum Of Life" is the best by a very slight margin.
The new album is great but not quite as catchy as the other two.

I also have here a review of their live show from a friend of mine in

>Dog Faced Hermans last night at Moe (Mo'roc'n Cafe) were pretty damn
>hot. Andy really did use a viola on Jan 9, not a bowed guitar as
>someone on the 4AD list had previously reported. The records capture
>the live sound perfectly, but not the energy. And not Marion's twitchy
>mechanical kinds of movements, the way she computes the angles of
>things with her hands, twists and turns the trumpet when she's not
>playing it. Only prob: Too short.
>
>They sell the two-first-EPs CD at the show for a mere $13. (Also the
>other 3 CDs, and a decent-but-not-exciting t-shirt.)
>
>Opening were Hyperlung, origin unknown, who put on an excellent show in
>a Labradford vein, with some forays into DFH and similar territory
>(i.e., sometimes one guy played sax and it was droney, sometimes he
>played trumpet and it was fast and hard). They threw fireworks into the
>audience, which was impressive but left my clothes smelling bad.
>
>Then there was Trenchmouth from Chicago: Fugazi, with bits of Gang of
>Four, early Pere Ubu, etc. Good, but not worth a long-distance trip.


Jens Alfke ........ OpenDoc Geometer ........ [email protected]

         "One does not seriously attack the expertise of a scientist,
                   using the undefined phrase 'butt-head.'"

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:53:59 -0500

From [email protected]

Subject Re: Chains Changed

> I believe it was also released on CD together with two other
> ep's originally released by 4AD (from other groups).
> This CD was a japanese pressing and quite expensive.

>>Does anyone have the title, price (yen), catalog #, and label (I assume
>>nippon columbia...) for this?  I've got a friend in Japan right now, so...

Title- "4AD 87 Anthology"
Price- 3,300 Yen
Catalog #- 33CY-2085
Label- Nippon Coumbia

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:09:07 -0500

From Susan Curran

Subject Re: Stina Norderstrom (sp?)

              94 02:41:54 pm

> Any info would be appreciated...I'm guessing that she must be available as an
> import only?

I think at least one of her albums was actually released on Warner Bros. or
some other major, since it keeps popping up in used bins. Though with that
little publicity behind her, she's probably been dropped by now.

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:30:13 -0500

From Michael garrett

Subject Re: Stina Norderstrom (sp?)

        SN is a Sweedish singer whose voice and demeanor has been compared
to purveyors of elfin-magic, most notably, Bjork.  She has released two albums,
the most recent being around last April.  European MTV gave her videos a big
push around that time, especially on 120 Minutes -- you might ask a subscriber
from England or something.  I read recently that her last album would be
released in the states on some indie-ish label.  That's about the best I can
do. Oh, and also, she doesn't do live performances, so don't hold your breath
for a tour anytime soon.
        [email protected]

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:27:00 PST

From Linh Trieu

Subject Re: Lush

i'm also a fairly new subscribe of this wonderful list and a devote fan of
Lush.  i saw them here in los angeles at the glam slam, both nights.  i thought
 it was a great show.  i'm a d.j. at ucla's radio station and it was there that
 i heard childcatcher.  i fell in love immediately.  i also like split.  it's
the same old lush sound but a lot more mature for them.  they've come a long
way since gala.  the more i listen to split the more i like it.  however, there
 are some really brilliant tunes on gala and spooky i must say.




                                           Linh   <<>
>
>         Hi folks, I'm fairly new to this list and just had a few questions
> and comments about Lush. First I was wondering if anybody knows where they
> are right now and what dates they have played or are going to play on their
> current tour. They played my city of Toronto, Canada on Aug.21 and I know
> they played Montreal on Aug.22 but that's all I know with regards to shows.
>         Secondly, I wanted to mention the song Childcatcher by Lush which I
> think is absolutely brilliant. It's not available on any of their albums or
> singles but only came free with the May 1994 issue of the British music
> magazine Select. If you haven't heard it, find someone who has it cause it's
> outstanding.
>         Thirdly I was wondering what people think of Split, the newest album
> by Lush. I would be interested to read anybody's opinion on it and would
> welcome any mail good or bad regarding it as long as your opinion is backed
> up in some way. eg. don't just say it sucked rocks!(tell me why) or if you
> liked it, for what reasons. That's all for now
>
> Gerald Tang
> Voice(416)225-7346
> Fax(416)225-7346(same as above)
> Internet [email protected]

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:27:11 EST

From Lawren Wu

Subject Re: Moonshake/ Lisa Germano

              08 Nov 1994 11:52:00 EST." <[email protected]>

>As for Lisa Germano live, she's brilliant IMO. I saw her last night with
>Pale Saints. Amazing show. A couple of the songs from the new album were
>done completely solo with a keyboard.  Then the whole band got involved.
>Really good.  She's a great musician.  It was a really intimate show,
>too. There couldn't have been more than 50 people there.

I was at the show, too.  I'd never heard Lisa Germano before, and must say that
I found her set interesting.  Her lyrics are certainly not subtle, and they're
definitely interesting, but I've never been a real "lyrics" person, preferring
vocals that kind of blend in with the song, acting more as an "extra instrument"
than as a real message.  So, I found the lyrics a bit annoying at times, but the
music was good, and the band was very animated.  Overall, I pretty good set,
coming from a L.G. neophyte.

I was a bit disappointed with the crowd, though.  I guess you really can't
expect much for a Monday night concert with 10:00 pm doors that wasn't really
promoted.  On top of that, neither L.G. nor Pale Saints really gets any airplay
on the commercial "alternative" radio station (WFNX) here in Boston.  The great
thing was that despite the low turnout both L.G. and Pale Saints gave great
performances and didn't seem to mind the small crowd.  That's kind of nice,
given that many bands these days seem to be afflicted with the MTV syndrome in
which they suddenly make it big and then expect huge raucous crowds to worship
them just for showing up.


>Pale Saints were amazing as well. I had the opportunity to talk with Meriel
>for a while before the show.  Great conversation....I bought her a drink,
>too. (She likes vodka/cranberry).  Actually, it was amazing how at-ese
>(that's ease) the band was.  They were all very congenial, moving amongst
>us and goofing off.
>
>"Sight of You" and that Buzzcocks cover were brilliant.  The whole set was
>brilliant.  I wish they had played "Fine Friend", but Meriel said it wasn't
>on the list. She did write "I'll never walk into your arms" in my CD book0
>let, though.

Agreed.  I thought Pale Saints were brilliant.  They are incredibly energetic
live, and their songs come across really well.  It was great just to stand there
and soak up the performance and to watch each of them as they fiddled with their
effects pedals and jammed away.  All songs were great, although I thought Blue
Flower was a bit over-distorted live (the slow, pretty parts).  I like the album
version better, but I guess that that clear "emptiness" punctuated by a solo
guitar and Meriel's voice isn't too easy to reproduce in concert.  Henry was
amazing.  I kept wishing it would go on forever.



>Anyway, go see it if they're coming your way.

Agreed.

>Mike

Lawren
[email protected]

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:46:07 PST

From Ara Kermanikian

Subject New Xymox Remix CD

I just got it and yes they are EXCELLENT remixes of the original songs.
IMHO an absolute must have for the avid XYMOX fan/collector. I've been
spinning it all weekend.

<< ARA >>
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From Jan Hanford

Subject New Xymox Remix CD

Date Monday, November 07, 1994 9:56PM

I just saw a CD for the first time of Xymox remixes from the Headclouds era.
 Although it says "remixes", some are "US only", some are "new mix", they
all sound like the originals to me.  There are a lot of tracks on the CD,
like 20.  I am a total Xymox fan but am tired of spending $22.99 for
compilations of stuff I already have.  Does anyone know if these really are
remixes or just yet another pricy import compilation?  Many thanks.

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:00:37 -0500

From [email protected]

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

Wht does no one ever list Loves' Easy Tears as their favorite.
It's My favorite!  I love it.  I still put it in the CD player by itself and
just leave it on ... Sometimes all night, sometimes for several days!!!
 Yaa-Hoo!

$ 0.02 US

Later,

James 

"The Devil breaks both your hands,
 Takes your stuff and runs away."
 -HNIA

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:07:43 -0500

From Richard Singer

Subject Re: Info sought about 4AD albums

    Lee Graham Bridges  wrote:

>I'm becoming a big fan of the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance.  I have a
>couple of albums from each one.  I was wondering if someone could give me
>some feedback about their albums, perhaps tell which ones are strongest and
>which are weakest, 'cause I plan on collecting all of them.  Also info on
>albums by His Name Is Alive, Xymox, Lush, and This Mortal Coil would be
>appreciated.  Thank you.

How can I resist putting in my 2 cents' worth?  I agree with everyone
who says "Within The Realm of A Dying Sun" is the one of the best.  I also
think the Ryko disc, _A Passage In Time_, has a good selection for new
DCD fans -- you can see what songs come from which albums and choose the
albums accordingly.   I'd recommend _A Labyrinth In Time_ because it's
the first LP of DCD in their current phase, with a greater emphasis on
Eastern music and some forays into Celtic balladeering.  _Toward The Within_
is also a different sort of DCD album, being that it's live and also that
it is their most recent work.  (To the person who experssed
Gerrard songs near the end of Side 2.  If you cry yourself to sleep, it
should be *from* those songs, not because of them!)  I would also strongly
recommend that you see the _Toward The Within_ video if you want to learn about
the people behind the music.  _Aion_ is good too -- actually, so are _Spleen
and Ideal_ and _The Serpent's Egg_.  (I admit I don't have these 3, but I
think I've heard just about every song from them.)   The only album of theirs
I haven't enjoyed fully is the self-titled debut -- it's just not as
out-of-this-world as the later stuff.

I'd say _Filigree & Shadow_ is This Mortal Coil's best LP.  You'd
probably like _It'll End In Tears_ a lot because it has great vocals by
both Liz Fraser and Lisa Gerrard (in fact, I like Fraser's vocals on
this one more than any that I've heard in the Cocteau Twins).  _Blood_
is almost as good, though -- they're all very, very good.

My favorite Cocteau Twins LP is probably _Treasure_.

I like His Name Is Alive's _Mouth By Mouth_, though Ryko (as usual)
put together a huge selection in _Home Is In Your Head_.

I like Lush'es _Gala_ but I don't care much for the later ones.

I don't know anything about Xymox . . .

-- Richard Singer

Date Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:27:23 -0500

From pyromania the new alternateen craze

Subject Re: Moonshake/ Lisa Germano

              8 Nov 1994 17:27:11 EST

>   Henry was amazing.  I kept wishing it would go on
>   forever.

did anyone tape this boston show? as i said before i must have this song on
tape!!!
thanks again!
-joanna-
corn tin whistle

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:18:08 GMT

From Simon Hughes

Subject Info sought about 4ad albums

Jon wrote
>On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Simon Hughes wrote:
>
>> Lee Graham Bridges wrote

Just in case anyone's confused by the attributions, I (Simon Hughes) wrote the
well-reasoned and thoughtful critique :-) of TMC below , not Lee Graham
Bridges.

>> This Mortal Coil are the prime example of a group/idea going downhill.  It'll
>> End In Tears was excellent, while Filligree and Shadow was pretty good.  But
>> Blood is awful.  Hardly a decent song on it.  Just as well TMC aren't doing a
y
>> more stuff cos. it'd be ... crap.
>
>I've always had the impression that the majority of the list thinks it's the
>other way around (as do I). What I can't understand, and never will, is why
>they included 'Not Me' on 'It'll End In Tears'...that song almost ruined the
>album for me. On the other hand, 'Fond Affections' and 'Another Day' are up
>there with my all time greatest, so...

I tend to agree with all this.  Yes, I get the impression that most 4AD-listers
think TMC got better rather than worse.  Also, much as I like Not Me, I agree
it sits rather strangely on It'll End In Tears.  Maybe Ivo owed Colin Newman
(?who wrote Not Me?) a favour.

For me, it's pretty simple.  I think Liz Frazer has easily the best singing
voice I've ever heard.  And Song To The Siren and Another Day happen to rate
amongst my favourite songs by Liz.  Add to that Fyt and a few good other tracks
(which I can't remember offhand), and It'll End In Tears becomes one of my
favourite albums.

Simon

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:16:13 -0500

From Brendon Macaraeg

Subject Re: JAMC and MAZZY STAR

>Satyrday was JAMC and MAZZY at the Agora in Cleveland.  Let me just start
>out by saying that the crowd consisted of 98% Assholes, 1% real people, and
>1% dust particles and smelly smoke.  If anyone knows the people who felt
>compelled to slam dance during "fade into you", light up their lighters
>during "Halah", and stage dive the entire set, please send them my cooldest
>FUCK YOU!  Especially to the bitch who kicked me 2x in the face.  I pulled
>her down and asked her "where am I?  Am I at a Pearl Jam show?  Am I at a
>PHISH concert?"... She then felt compelled to punch me square in the face
>2x, and then 4-5 of her buddies helped her out by punching me and nearly
>sending me to the floor.  What a bunch of shit.  I was told by someone else
>that I was in the "Party Section" and to "calm down" after I asked some
>really loud guy (I couldn't even hear Hope sing) to "shut up".  And finally,
>all the joints being passed around convinced me that I was in the wrong
>building... But noone mentioned the Grateful Dead at the door.  I couldn't
>even blame the band for playing a 25 minute set, and then RUNNING off stage.


So sorry to hear this...people have posted similar experiences about the
current  Sugar tour on the Sugar list  I am on... When you go to see large
shows you have to make unfortuneate compromises, and it totally sucks.

When is this moshpit crap gonna end? Sometimes I have this fantasy...just me
and my favorite
band performing for only me and some appreciative fans....hey, it's nice to
dream sometimes isn't it?

--Brendon
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