4ad-l Mail for 11-07-1994

Date Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:51:22 -0600
From Darryl Stephen Roy
Subject skinner box
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:00:14 -0500
From Brendon Macaraeg
Subject Re: Vaughan Oliver's "This Rimy River" in NYC?
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:04:19 -0500
From James P Crimm
Subject What! No opinions?
Date Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:08:33 TZ
From Darrell Craig
Subject LSD?
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:14:52 -0500
From Whippingboy
Subject OK, OK, twist my arm, here's an opinion
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>
Subject towards the within
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:50:05 +0100
From Christophe Gourraud
Subject Re: French 4AD stuff
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>
Subject FSOL video
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:54:32 +0000
From "A.J. Norman"
Subject What about that new Grenadine a
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:46:15 +0000
From "A.J. Norman"
Subject Re: Andrew Thorn and Shaun D Morrow
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:11:15 GMT
From Shaun D Morrow
Subject Did you do it man?
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:16:56 GMT
From Shaun D Morrow
Subject I'm Alright (really)
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 07:52:38 -0500
From Tim Earp
Subject unsubscribe
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:59:17 -0500
From jOHN yOCHIM
Subject 4AD-FAQ please?
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:03:48 GMT
From Andrew Thorn
Subject Re: Andrew Thorn and Shaun D Morrow
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:08:56 -0500
From SCSI Master tm
Subject DCD vid/CD box set?
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:59:33 -0600
From CZ
Subject skinner box
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:55:57 -0800
From Jens Alfke
Subject Derivative / "sucks"
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:19:57 -0800
From Brant Nelson
Subject Aberdeen/Henry's Dress/Ropers/Boyracer
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:28:28 -0500
From Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
Subject Re: LSD song titles
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:02:42 -0500
From Whippingboy
Subject New Fanzine "Whirlpool"
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:25:42 -0500
From Steve Willett
Subject Re: New Fanzine "Whirlpool"
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:05:34 MST
From Dave Gingerich
Subject Volume Eleven
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:27:13 -0800
From Jens Alfke
Subject Seefeel remix
Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:34:33 -0500
From the new alternateen craze
Subject Re: Volume Eleven
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:45:46 EST
From Johnny Cat
Subject cds for sale (4ad and related)
Date Mon, 07 Nov 1994 16:30:32 -0400 (EDT)
From "John T.Robicheau"
Subject cds for sale (4ad and related)
From jtrst4@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Date 6 Nov 94 18:27:43 EDT
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:24:09 +0000
From "K. Bruner"
Subject Chains Changed
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:36:14 -0500
From jOHN yOCHIM
Subject HELP PLEASE!
Date Tue, 30 Aug 1994 17:22:46 -0500
From Lee Graham Bridges
Subject Info sought about 4ad albums
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:21:43 -0500
From Erikas Aras Napjus
Subject Re: HELP PLEASE!
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:32:29 -0500
From jOHN yOCHIM
Subject JAMC and MAZZY STAR
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:43:47 -0800
From vilexile
Subject Seefeel/Autechre
Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:22:20 -0500
From the new alternateen craze
Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:21:39 -0800
From vilexile
Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:25:03 -0800
From vilexile
Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:52:09 -0500
From Matt Krom
Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:56:32 -0800
From Fun Gus
Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:56:48 PST
From Jason Schmit
Subject Ivy (Seed NOT Sarah)
Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:16:27 +1100
From Matthew Kirkcaldie
Subject Dif Juz = "diffuse"
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:01:15 -0500
From Alexander Jeremy Wolfson
Subject Re: JAMC and MAZZY STAR
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:56:28 -0500
From Jan Hanford
Subject New Xymox Remix CD
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:59:47 -0500
From Roger Dominick
Subject Re: JAMC and MAZZY STAR
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:40:48 -0600
From bob k
Subject Re: *Xymox*
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:32:34 -0600
From bob k
Subject *Xymox*
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:10:18 -0600
From bob k
Subject *Xymox*
Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:46:01 -0800
From David Mccallum
Subject Cocteau's Christmas

Date Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:51:22 -0600

From Darryl Stephen Roy

Subject skinner box


I heartily concur with the praise for Juliana Towns and Skinner Box.

Correspondance with Sam Rosenthal of Projekt, who used her vocal talents
on a Black Tape for a Blue Girl album (not a fan, couldn't tell you) was
unaware of anything else Juliana had done recently.  I do believe, though,
that Projekt:Darkwave was carrying the sole Skinner Box CD, also available
through Toxic Shock records in Tuscon (I've no idea about that address).

Aside from being an amazingly talented multi-instrumentalist, Towns wins
my laurel for best capturing a fever dream melancholic surrealism in lyric.
In fact, I think hers are the only surrealistic lyrics I've heard that aren't
unintentionally embarrassing...

I have to disagree about the first album being over produced.  However, the
tracks without contributions of (Peter Erskine, is it) of Savage Republic
fare best.  Here's hoping that there's more to look forward to from her.

What else can I say?  If you like the Crane's quieter moments (who's recent
album is growing on me a lot.  Harder, and more of a piece, than Forever.)
, or World of Skin, I suggest you hunt down Skinner Box.  Truly a singular
CD, and one which I'm going to have to listen to has soon as I get home.

Tuscon, Arizona, is really a wellspring of interesting bands...

--
Darryl Stephen Roy                         dsroy@owlnet.rice.edu
@>-`--,--  @>-`--,--  @>-`--,--  @>-`--,--  @>-`--,--  @>-`--,--
Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.- Picasso

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:00:14 -0500

From Brendon Macaraeg

Subject Re: Vaughan Oliver's "This Rimy River" in NYC?


>any luck finding this book in NYC?
>
>I couldn't find it anywhere!
>
>-eddie
>
>

Unfortunately, no :-( I mean, no one on the list emailed me saying so. I am
going to a couple of
bookstores downtown (I go to NYU) and see what they say...

--Brendon
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Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:04:19 -0500

From James P Crimm

Subject What! No opinions?


<<<<

Date Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:08:33 TZ

From Darrell Craig

Subject LSD?


I just found out about this list while poking around the WWW (and came
across www.evo.org and the dcd home page) and subscribed yesterday.
Excuse my ignorance, but who is LSD?  I'm afraid I missed the fabled
LSD vs DCD debate, but I have been a huge DCD fan for four or five
years and this sounds intriguing.

thanks,
darrell


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:14:52 -0500

From Whippingboy

Subject OK, OK, twist my arm, here's an opinion

              Nov 7, 94 01:04:19 am

Rumor has it that nothing Moxie has done post-YMG is that great.
Apparently he produced a band named Lois recently, and not too well at that.

I heard this second-hand, though, so I must admit that this is not a true
step into the flame-ring.

Though I wish to God I could be subject to countless personal attacks.
Well, maybe when I decide to reveal DCD to be the diluted yodeling rip-offs
they truly are.  Really, Christopher Plummer and Julie Andrews did it so
much better...:)

==Xavier
  bkim0@mail.sas.upenn.edu


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL

From HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>

Subject towards the within


well, just about everybody else put in their 2 cents worth regarding
deez release...so here goes.

On friday i *finaly* had the opurtunity of hearing it
....telephonically from 20 miles away (i kid you not) and my initial
reaction was...DISAPPOINTMENT. But i thought : "lets not get too
hasty " so i borrowed the said item. it kinda helps to be in the same
room as the music to make any good judgement, but alas the
disappointment is still here. Firstly, the selection of songs
sucks....i wasn't at the gig (no kidding) so i don't know what they
played..i guess i was just expecting some of the better unreleased
stuff from Dark Christmas to be included. Secondly, i don't know if
it's just me or what but don't the songs all sound a little slow,
almost as if the guy doing the master hit a wrong switch???

anyway, after all this, i still think Don't Fade Away is fantabulous!!

Right now though, i'm retreating into my cocoon, tightly clutching my
copy of Within the Realm of a Dying Sun and softly crying myself to
sleep.....

cheerio and regarding REM and Belly, well all i have to say is that
Salvador Monkhouse kick asss!!! (heehee)

tata
sttaw

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! All those moments will be lost                 !
!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
!                            Time...to die!      !
!                                                !
!                                  ROY BATTY     !
!________________________________________________!

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:50:05 +0100

From Christophe Gourraud

Subject Re: French 4AD stuff

              Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:22:00 CDT

 |>Maybe I can help with some of the confusion with these so-called "French" 4AD
 |>releases.  As far as I know, "French" means only that they were made
 |>in   France.
 |>A fair amount of the 4AD stuff released around 1986 was manufactured
 |>by MPO, a
 |>French firm (i.e., "Medusa" and "The Moon And The Melodies").  It seems to me
 |>that as long as they have those CAD catalog numbers, there from 4AD UK no
 |>matter where they were made.  Now there are some genuine "French" 4AD relases
 |>(i.e., the PIXIES CD single box), but these are, to my knowledge,
 |>exceptional.
 |>Just go by the official catalog number to determine "which" 4AD released it.
 |>
 |>- Jeff

I don't think there are genuine French 4AD releases. All 4AD releases I
know in France were actually distributed by Virgin France. This means
that the catalog numbers are from Virgin, and NEVER from 4AD.

For instance, the Pixies CD single box has the following reference:
Virgin/4AD PM 616 30456.

I also think that a "classical" 4AD catalog number (e.g. CAD something)
means that this is a UK release, no matter where the record was made
(for instance, many European records are made in Germany).

BTW, it seems that Japanese records are "pure" 4AD releases, but with
some special catalog numbers (e.g. COCY-78080 for Trompe Le Monde).

Christophe


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL

From HEMENT GOPAL <050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA>

Subject FSOL video


I don't even know where to begin.....there's just got to be an
afterlife.....and if there is one, i sure hope it looks like the FSOL
Lifeforms video.

I'm sitting here dazed and euphoric as i write this....i've just
spent the last 15 mins in the audio-visual library watching said item
and....WOW!!!!!!!! The best computer generated 3D animation i've ever
seen....my only regret is that i had no lysergics firing away at  my
neurons while watching the video......then again, in FSOL's case i
wonder if it really is neccessary.

it's only 12 minutes long but it's my VIDEO OF THE YEAR

awtts__________________________________________________
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! All those moments will be lost                 !
!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
!                            Time...to die!      !
!                                                !
!                                  ROY BATTY     !
!________________________________________________!

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:54:32 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject What about that new Grenadine a


> How is that Flying Saucer Attack 7" too? I just missed hearing it on
> the radio.."And that was the brand new Flying Saucer attack single..
> Next we have..."

"Land Beyond the Sun" / "Everywhere Was Everything", 500 copies
(supposedly) on Domino records, 7" only.  I think it's slightly
disappointing, but I can't put my finger on why.  On the other hand, I
have been glued to the new FSA compilation all weekend.  "Distance" has
all the stuff prior to "Land Beyond the Sun" - those obscure 7" singles
and a couple of other tracks which weren't on the self-titled album.
There's quiet stuff ("Oceans", "Instrumental Wish"), a track which
sounds like industrial machinery ("Distance"), and some of those REALLY
noisy songs which make the Jesus and Mary Chain sound like Abba
("Crystal Shade", "Standing Stone", "Soaring High").  I prefer it to the
"proper" album, despite the apologetic sleeve notes explaining that the
songs weren't intended to be heard together, it makes a very satisfying
whole.  40 minutes long, too - don't be fooled by the "mini-album"
label, 40 minutes used to be the normal length for an album before the
introduction of the CDs that FSA profess to hate.  (This album *is*
available on CD, with the legend "cds destroy music" on the spine).

Talking about messages on the spine, Lisa Germano's new album must
surely be the only 4AD release to have the words "FUCK OFF" on it.
(dark lettering behind the name of the album).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:46:15 +0000

From "A.J. Norman"

Subject Re: Andrew Thorn and Shaun D Morrow

              Nov 5, 94 02:50:56 am

>
> Take a look at these two addresses:
>
> From: Andrew Thorn 
> From: Shaun D Morrow 
>

This is what happens when you allow former technical colleges to call
themselves Universities.  This pair seem to have mistaken the 4AD list
for a talker or IRC.  I tried E-mailing them privately, but it seems
that their system admin is just as clueless as they are.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:11:15 GMT

From Shaun D Morrow

Subject Did you do it man?


Well, did you manage to get off the 4ad mailing list? Picking daises and
watching Goldfish is just no substitute for 4ad you know, ah well...

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:16:56 GMT

From Shaun D Morrow

Subject I'm Alright (really)


Well, well. It seems some people were a bit unhappy about Andy and I's little
discussion last week. Maybe we should have kept it off the list but hey, it was
only some fun. Lighten up people. Anyway if you want to have a meaningfull
discussion on any topic you wish, I can do that too.






** Spreading the news around the world **
                ML. Gore

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 07:52:38 -0500

From Tim Earp

Subject unsubscribe

              06 Nov 1994 23:12:05 -0500" <01HJ6AT4XXB6007CG2@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

Will,
Try sending your unsubscribe message to LISTSERV@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:59:17 -0500

From jOHN yOCHIM

Subject 4AD-FAQ please?


Could someone please send me the 4AD-Faq again?  My brother wants to
subscribe to the list, but I forgot how, and I already accidently got rid of
my FAQ.  Pretty please?
            -jOHN

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:03:48 GMT

From Andrew Thorn

Subject Re: Andrew Thorn and Shaun D Morrow


Shaun and I did not mistake 4AD for a talker at all. We just wanted to stir up
boring farts who take life a little too seriously. Im sorry that you did not see
the funny side of Fridays banter.

 There is nothing wrong with our sytem here at RGU. You obviously don't know how
to use your E-mail tool correctly.

Whats so special about Leicester anway - must be a bit of downer livin' in
england

                Watch The Skies,
                                Andy


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:08:56 -0500

From SCSI Master tm

Subject DCD vid/CD box set?


where in the US is the DCD box set for 'Towards the Within'
available? i've not been able to find it...

thanks,
Keith

                   ************ NOTE NEW ADDRESS ************

                      *************************************
                                 Keith Richmond
                             keith@dgvis.er.usgs.GOV
                                 A/V Technician
                              US Geological Survey
                                   Reston, VA
                  "What the HELL is this FLORAL MAJORITY crap?" - G
                      *************************************


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:59:33 -0600

From CZ

Subject skinner box


        My copy of skinner box's CD was much cherished until it was stolen
along with the rest of my CD collection.  The sound was very haunting in places
and suitably thislisty (i.e. beautiful female vox, atmospheric-kindajazzy-pop,
unique).  The drawings by Beardsly and band-name added to the haunting quality.
(By the way does anyone know what happened to B. F. Skinner's daughter?  Is
she totally deranged or "normal"?)
        But the question i really wanted to ask was:  Is there another album
forthcoming?????  Any information would be appreciated.
                                -cz


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:55:57 -0800

From Jens Alfke

Subject Derivative / "sucks"


John A. Fotheringham writes:
>Is it only me, or do I remember correctly that the Cocteau Twins were once
>dismissed as Siouxsie and the Banshees rip-offs.

I remember those days ... don't forget, Liz has a Siouxsie tattoo on her
upper arm, which is why you never see her wearing sleeveless dresses.

>I guess my point is this; first time you hear a band you are more likely to
>recognise what other bands they sound like, rather than pick up on how they
>are unique (assuming they are).  You should only really call a band
derivative
>if they still sound exactly like someone else after several listens.

Exactly. My own example is that when I first heard Lush (I bought "Scar" in,
um, summer 1990) I found them an intriguing blend of Throwing Muses, the
Pixies and the Primitives, with bits of early Cocteau Twins thrown in. Now I
just think they're a cross between the Cocteaux and Abba ;-)

Theo's opinion:
>when
>someone says"that sucks"it is just as valid an opinion as "i dont like
>it because they are a rip-off,cant play,negative talent etc.

It may be a valid _feeling_ on their part, but if they choose to _express_ it
as nothing but "____ sucks!" it's a total waste of everyone's time. Someone
who chooses to write something like that to hundreds of people that is just
masturbating in public; there's no purpose to their post but to boast that
their opinion is better than yours without stating why. A mailing list is a
collective writing and it's up to all of us to keep it interesting to read. A
lot of the fools who've signed on to this list in the last day or two don't
have a clue about this.

Jens Alfke ........ OpenDoc Geometer ........ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

         "One does not seriously attack the expertise of a scientist,
                   using the undefined phrase 'butt-head.'"


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:19:57 -0800

From Brant Nelson

Subject Aberdeen/Henry's Dress/Ropers/Boyracer


At Jabberjaw tonight for $5:

Aberdeen
Henry's Dress
The Ropers
Boyracer

Be there.

brant

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:28:28 -0500

From Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear

Subject Re: LSD song titles


All I was inferring was that there exists a certain linguistic and aesthetic
similarity in their song titles (LSD versus Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance).
No need to get scholarly; I was aware of their origins.

Furthermore, I don't recall ever using the term "rip-off" in my post regar-
ding this subject.  My apologies if I DID.  As I recall, the tone of the
my message was rather benign.

Poor Love Spirals Downwards....let's hope "Ardor" puts to reset this
squabbling and allows them to stand independently of their influences.
By the way, what's the current response to this recording? I have not
heard it yet...


Mike

"Choose carefully your words, for in the shadows others lurk, who await your
imminent stutter."  (me)

P.S.  Is anyone in the Boston area going to the Lisa Germano/Pale Saints show
      tonight at the Middle East?  I can't wait. Let me know if you'll be
      attending.

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:02:42 -0500

From Whippingboy

Subject New Fanzine "Whirlpool"

              Nov 7, 94 10:19:57 am

Hey all.  In the newest Dec. issue of Alternative Press, there is mention
of a new fanzine coming out of Arizona called "Whirlpool" (named after
Chapterhouse's good album) which caters to the
shoegazer/atmospheric/dreamy/pop connoisseur.  From the cover of the
first issue, I see talk of the following bands (for example): Heavenly,
Flying Saucer Attack, Nick Cave, Swirlies, Swervedriver, East River Pipe,
Bark Psychosis, Secretshine...and live reviews of the Cocteau's, Ocean
Blue, Slowdive, Adorable, Half String, Polvo, Superchunk, Lois, Alison's
Halo, Low, Medicine...personally, it sounds like a 'zine up most of us
listers' alleys.  It is reported to have a glossy cover (mmm nice) and
newsprint interior.

I am going to take the plunge and order the first issue.  Who's with me?
Send $2 to

WHIRLPOOL
PO BOX 616
TEMPE, AZ  85280

This has been a public service announcment.

--Xavier
  bkim0@mail.sas.upenn.edu


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:25:42 -0500

From Steve Willett

Subject Re: New Fanzine "Whirlpool"

              07 Nov 94 14:02:42 EST." <199411071906.OAA06628@ni.umd.edu>

> I am going to take the plunge and order the first issue.  Who's with me?
> Send $2 to
>
> WHIRLPOOL
> PO BOX 616
> TEMPE, AZ  85280
>

I'll throw in a good word for this new rag ........ great selection of
bands in the reviews (both live and recorded).  Extremely impressive for
their first issue.

steve

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:05:34 MST

From Dave Gingerich

Subject Volume Eleven

              Nov 5, 94 4:48 pm

Hi --
   Have any of you seen Volume Eleven somewhere for sale, yet? I've only
seen 8, 9 & 10 in stores (8 & 9 were ~$12 while 10 was ~$13).  Is 11 even
out yet?
   BTW, I managed to finally find AVAM in Best Buy last week and picked
up a copy for $11.88.  They had a few others there if anybody around Denver
is looking for a copy.
--
Dave Gingerich
daveg@fred.den.mmc.com


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:27:13 -0800

From Jens Alfke

Subject Seefeel remix


This may be old news to some, but Autechre's "Basscad,EP" -- five remixes of
their track "Basscadet" -- includes a Seefeel mix, which is quite tasty and
should appeal to any Seefeel fans. The rest of the remixes are pretty nice
too.
The EP is on Warp, distributed by Wax Trax! / TVT in the US.

Jens Alfke ........ OpenDoc Geometer ........ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

         "One does not seriously attack the expertise of a scientist,
                   using the undefined phrase 'butt-head.'"

Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:34:33 -0500

              following senders discarded.

From the new alternateen craze

Subject Re: Volume Eleven

              7 Nov 1994 13:05:34 MST

>   Hi --
>      Have any of you seen Volume Eleven somewhere for
>   sale, yet? I've only seen 8, 9 & 10 in stores (8 & 9
>   were ~$12 while 10 was ~$13).  Is 11 even out ye

eleven has been out for over a month, as i have had it that long.  look in your
finer record shops for it (and a big  k-j =P ppppbbbbsttt for you. . .i got mine
for $10 wholesale hee hee!)
-joanna-
sorry i am a stressbasket

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:45:46 EST

From Johnny Cat

Subject cds for sale (4ad and related)


------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

Date Mon, 07 Nov 1994 16:30:32 -0400 (EDT)

From "John T.Robicheau"

Subject cds for sale (4ad and related)


From jtrst4@vms.cis.pitt.edu

Date 6 Nov 94 18:27:43 EDT


cds for sale.

kristen hersh: hips and makers 8.00

throwing muses: red heaven 7.00

throwing muses: house tornado 7.00

pale saints: in ribbons 7.00


wolfgang press: standing up straight 10.00

insides : euphoria promo 7.00

(remix) 7.00

sisters of mercy: hits/"..overbombing..." 7.00

thanx

postage 1.05 for upt to 4 cds.



John Robicheau ROBICHEAU@DrugInfoNet.Pharm-Epid.Pitt.Edu



lemon curry?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John T. Robicheau
Robicheau@DrugInfonet.Pharm-Epid.Pitt.Edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:24:09 +0000

From "K. Bruner"

Subject Chains Changed


Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of Throwing Muses's _Chains
Changed_?  It was only released on vinyl and cassette, right?  So I guess
I'd want the vinyl.

--
You've never been out of college.  You don't know what it's like out there.
I've worked in the private sector.  They expect results.
                                        --Ghostbusters


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:36:14 -0500

From jOHN yOCHIM

Subject HELP PLEASE!


Once again, could someone please send me the 4AD-FAQ?  I need the "how to
subscribe info off of it... My twee lil brother-grimm wants to subscribe...
Just imagine... another yOCHIM on the list, such bliss.
       -jOHN

Date Tue, 30 Aug 1994 17:22:46 -0500

From Lee Graham Bridges

Subject Info sought about 4ad albums


I'm becoming a big fan of the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance.  I have a
couple of albums from each one.  I was wondering if someone could give me
some feedback about their albums, perhaps tell which ones are strongest and
which are weakest, 'cause I plan on collecting all of them.  Also info on
albums by His Name Is Alive, Xymox, Lush, and This Mortal Coil would be
appreciated.  Thank you.
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-----------------------------| Only to find that dreams made of sand
"We are descendents of love."| Would just fall apart and slip through my hands."
   -- "Mornixuur", BEL CANTO |         -- "Spirit", DEAD CAN DANCE
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Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:21:43 -0500

From Erikas Aras Napjus

Subject Re: HELP PLEASE!


Excerpts from internet.listserv.4ad-l: 7-Nov-94 HELP PLEASE! by jOHN
yOCHIM@PSU.EDU
> Once again, could someone please send me the 4AD-FAQ?  I need the "how to
> subscribe info off of it... My twee lil brother-grimm wants to subscribe...
> Just imagine... another yOCHIM on the list, such bliss.

Strangely enough, this information is accidentally available on WWW
because of my experimental 4ad-l archive. If you have access to a web
viewer, try connecting to:


and that should show you the FAQ along with some other junk. You should
be able to save it. Eventually, I'll try to make it available in a
neater form somewhere on www.evo.org. . .

--- Erikas

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:32:29 -0500

From jOHN yOCHIM

Subject JAMC and MAZZY STAR


Satyrday was JAMC and MAZZY at the Agora in Cleveland.  Let me just start
out by saying that the crowd consisted of 98% Assholes, 1% real people, and
1% dust particles and smelly smoke.  If anyone knows the people who felt
compelled to slam dance during "fade into you", light up their lighters
during "Halah", and stage dive the entire set, please send them my cooldest
FUCK YOU!  Especially to the bitch who kicked me 2x in the face.  I pulled
her down and asked her "where am I?  Am I at a Pearl Jam show?  Am I at a
PHISH concert?"... She then felt compelled to punch me square in the face
2x, and then 4-5 of her buddies helped her out by punching me and nearly
sending me to the floor.  What a bunch of shit.  I was told by someone else
that I was in the "Party Section" and to "calm down" after I asked some
really loud guy (I couldn't even hear Hope sing) to "shut up".  And finally,
all the joints being passed around convinced me that I was in the wrong
building... But noone mentioned the Grateful Dead at the door.  I couldn't
even blame the band for playing a 25 minute set, and then RUNNING off stage.
    JAMC was really good, but I decieded to stand by the Sound board this
time.   I have the song list (not now though) and will post it later.
William was smiling the whole time, and even sang a song!  Very cool.  Too
bad about all the Frat/ Sorority people, though.
         -jOHN

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:43:47 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Seefeel/Autechre


On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Jens Alfke wrote:

> This may be old news to some, but Autechre's "Basscad,EP" -- five remixes of
> their track "Basscadet" -- includes a Seefeel mix, which is quite tasty and
> should appeal to any Seefeel fans. The rest of the remixes are pretty nice
> too.
> The EP is on Warp, distributed by Wax Trax! / TVT in the US.

I'll raise you a quarter and say that the Autechre album itself is pretty
tasty. In fact it's wonderful and better than the single...but the
Seefeel mix is definitely brilliant, as is the recent version of
Charlotte's Mouth on Excursions in Ambience 3 (which otherwise, for lack
of a more well considered opinion, is crap except for the very depressing
but nice Aphex Twin track.)


Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:22:20 -0500

              following senders discarded.

From the new alternateen craze

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums

              30 Aug 1994 17:22:46 -0500

>    I was wondering if someone could give me some feedback
>   about their albums, perhaps tell which ones are
>   strongest and which are weakest, 'cause I plan on
>   collecting all of them.

no offense, but if you're planning to collect all of them anyway, why do you
care which ones are strongest etc.?
-joanna-
sorry i'm a stressbasket

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:21:39 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums


Apologies to those who have read my babble on these subjects numerous
times...

On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, Lee Graham Bridges wrote:

> I'm becoming a big fan of the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance.  I have a
> couple of albums from each one.  I was wondering if someone could give me
> some feedback about their albums, perhaps tell which ones are strongest and
> which are weakest, 'cause I plan on collecting all of them.  Also info on
> albums by His Name Is Alive, Xymox, Lush, and This Mortal Coil would be
> appreciated.  Thank you.

I'd say in the case of the Cocteaus, Head Over Heels is the best, tho if
you want a diversity of styles, you want Garlands and Treasure, which are
at almost opposite ends of the spectrum.

Dead Can Dance's Within the Realm of a Dying Sun is probably my favorite
album of theirs, strong on atmosphere and ambience but also entirely made
up of well constructed, gorgeous songs, half Lisa and half Brendan, and I
think both are at their best on the album. The Serpent's Egg has an odd
flavor to it and a lot of gratuitous chanting and so forth, but probably
fits together most perfectly as an album. The songs are wonderful and
weird, and totally original, even for DCD. Their other good album is
Spleen and Ideal. The rest of their albums I wouldn't really recommend
except for specific tracks.

His Name Is Alive's best album is Home Is in Your Head. Long, dark, and
musical with a lot of emotion and disturbing ambience. Livonia is
primarily noise collage; good if you enjoy that kind of thing...while
Mouth by Mouth would be their best album except that fully half the songs
on the album are total shit.

Lush's best work is on Gala, which is pretty diversified. I'd recommend
looking in the notes first and seeing what order the ep's compiled came
out in, then listening in that order. Split is also a great album. Spooky
is too syruppy for me and a lot of other folks.

This Mortal Coil's best album is Filigree and Shadow. It'll End in Tears
is obnoxious while Blood is kind of broken up and a few songs on it spoil
things for me. it's a good album, but Filigree is much better in the same
vein. Tears is just ether-mush, imo.

Clan of Xymox' two albums on 4AD are great, tho Medusa is the better of
the two and my favorite 4AD release of all time. Heavy, dark atmosphere,
a lot of lush electronics, quirky disco beats with interlaced percussion
for truly moving and original rhythms, a lot of great effects and
strummed acoustic guitar, three nice voices and the kind of brilliant,
well thought out songwriting design that just builds these incredible
musical fabrics. Few people on 4AD or even at all have come close to it,
and even the self titled Clan album fades in comparison. As for the Xymox
albums with the Clan-of deleted, they kind of lost their touch towards
the end of their 4AD stint, and all these Xymox records are pretty lazy
and stupid, though somewhat enjoyable.

Is there anyone on this list who dislikes Medusa? I'm just curious. I've
never heard anything bad about it, Treasure, HIYH, Within the Realm, and
a few others.


 e

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:25:03 -0800

From vilexile

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums


On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, the new alternateen craze wrote:

> no offense, but if you're planning to collect all of them anyway, why do you
> care which ones are strongest etc.?

Maybe he hasn't yet decided whether or not to buy them all at once. Some
people are weird that way. :)

 e

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:52:09 -0500

From Matt Krom

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums


>>    I was wondering if someone could give me some feedback
>>   about their albums, perhaps tell which ones are
>>   strongest and which are weakest, 'cause I plan on
>>   collecting all of them.
>
>no offense, but if you're planning to collect all of them anyway, why do you
>care which ones are strongest etc.?
>-joanna-
>sorry i'm a stressbasket

Remember when *you* were collecting them all?  You were probably just plain
curious, and probably bought them in a certain order (but maybe not :)

-krom@media.mit.edu

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:56:32 -0800

From Fun Gus

Subject Re: Info sought about 4ad albums


On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, Lee Graham Bridges wrote:
> I'm becoming a big fan of the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance.  I have a
> couple of albums from each one.  I was wondering if someone could give me
> some feedback about their albums, perhaps tell which ones are strongest and
> which are weakest, 'cause I plan on collecting all of them.  Also info on
> albums by His Name Is Alive, Xymox, Lush, and This Mortal Coil would be
> appreciated.  Thank you.

Cocteau Twins -- If you're going to get all of them, definitely get the
singles/EPs box set - I think it has some of their best stuff.  As far as
the LPs go, I think the best ones are Treasure (lots of variety on that
one), Head Over Heels (sorta dark, more militaristic drums with lots of
reverb), Blue Bell Knoll is also very good... Garlands, their first, is
cool, though with less effects and Liz's voice is a little rougher (but
still great)... Heaven or Las Vegas is nice, has some great stuff on it
but also some weaker stuff.. Four-Calendar Cafe is the newest one, and is
their least impressive LP (but I still like it a lot)... Oh, and
Victorialand is really cool, it's very quiet and there is little bass and
nearly no percussion throughout... In short, they're all good and you
should get them all.

Dead Can Dance -- I like Within the Realm of a Dying Sun and The
Serpent's Egg a lot, although I haven't heard the first one (self titled)
or Spleen & Ideal... Aion is pretty good, although I don't like some of
it... A Passage in Time is sorta a "best of" album, although you're
probably better off getting the individual albums.  Into the Labyrinth is
their latest studio LP, and I don't like it much in comparison to the
other stuff.  Lisa's singing on several tracks is horrid (IMHO).  Towards
the Within, which was just released and is a live album, is very good
too...

Lush -- Hmm... Gala is great (maybe their best), Spooky is produced by
Robin Guthrie (of the Cocteau Twins) and has a very Cocteauesque sound to
it, Split (their latest) is also very good, and has some variety on it...


hope that helps

sw

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:56:48 PST

From Jason Schmit

Subject Ivy (Seed NOT Sarah)


Does anyone have any info on when the _Realistic_ album is going to be
released?  I've heard the advance cassette and it has definite appeal to
4AD-Lers.  The _Lately_ EP has been out for awhile and is extraordinary
earcandy.  Just ask hk. :)  Susan Curran had some info on this awhile back
but I don't recall what the street date is on the full-length Ivy LP.

Jason
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Date Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:16:27 +1100

From Matthew Kirkcaldie

Subject Dif Juz = "diffuse"


Well, I *am* embarrassed.  Someone on alt.music.alternative the other day
imparted the information that the band I've called "Dif Juz" with a hard
"j" is actually pronounced "diffuse" - i.e. the "j" has a "y" sound, as
in central European languages.  I've changed my ways, but I thought I'd
share it.  *Surely* there is someone out there who's made the same mistake!

                        Matthew.  (Should that be "Matthjew"?)


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:01:15 -0500

From Alexander Jeremy Wolfson

Subject Re: JAMC and MAZZY STAR


Whoa!  I think I'll be steering clear of Cleveland.  Some
observations/responses.  The Morrisey show in NYC at the Limelight was
cut short because of a rowdy audience.  Meanwhile (watching from the
bleachers) the crowd at Clutch in Newark was 1000x worse.  The Ramones at
Columbia U. was the friendliest mosh pit I've been at in my life.  The
Chili Peppers at Penn cut the show short for obvious reasons, which led
the crowd to start ripping the seats out of Irvine auditorium and
throwing them into the orchestra pit.  So the rule of thumb is, bearing
forward expectations can make for unpleasant experiences.  Dope, smoke,
and some rowdiness should be expecting for almost anything.

On another note, I saw JAMC on letterman and the seemed totally boring
(I'm a psychocandy man).  Still worth seeing.

AW

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* CITI *  809 Uris Hall * NYC 10027 * phone 212 854 4222 * fax 212 932 7816 *

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:56:28 -0500

From Jan Hanford

Subject New Xymox Remix CD


I just saw a CD for the first time of Xymox remixes from the Headclouds era.
 Although it says "remixes", some are "US only", some are "new mix", they
all sound like the originals to me.  There are a lot of tracks on the CD,
like 20.  I am a total Xymox fan but am tired of spending $22.99 for
compilations of stuff I already have.  Does anyone know if these really are
remixes or just yet another pricy import compilation?  Many thanks.

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:59:47 -0500

From Roger Dominick

Subject Re: JAMC and MAZZY STAR

              Nov 7, 94 06:32:29 pm

> Satyrday was JAMC and MAZZY at the Agora in Cleveland.  Let me just start
> out by saying that the crowd consisted of 98% Assholes, 1% real people, and
> 1% dust particles and smelly smoke.

...bah. I saw Mazzy Star here in Cincinnati at Bogart's earlier this year
(three days after I saw Cocteau Twins at the same place; my ears were
still ringing). The opening band was a last-minute sub of a local band
named "Lazy" (who just released their first CD on Roadrunner -- "Crush"
is a great song), and there were maybe 20 people there during their whole
set.

I still think that about ten minutes into Mazzy Star's set they started
letting people in for free because suddenly the room was full of talking,
smoking, drinking people -- I got burnt by a cigarette -- such that I
couldn't really see the candle-lit stage, much less Mazzy Star. I ended
up pushing my way up by the stage and elbowing anyone who spoke.

Then again, I've come to the conclusion that Bogart's isn't a really cool
place to see someone, though they get a lot of cool bands. (Frente! is on
the 11th... sigh.) People didn't even give Milla a chance when she opened
for Crash Test Dummies, and it was just as loud as the Mazzy Star crowd
noise -- which pissed me off because I had bought the tix to see Milla!

All that said, the crowd for the Cocteaus was really cool, so sometimes
it can be all right.

Whoa. I should really learn to eat before I write. Sigh.
--
"He's being stalked by Depeche Mode!"            dominirn@ucunix.san.uc.edu

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:40:48 -0600

From bob k

Subject Re: *Xymox*


In article , you wrote:
> Does anyone have a decent discography of Xymox since Phoenix?  CdEurope (telne

> cdeurope.com) lists several titles with which I'm not familiar...

For those who really aren't interested, the following includes a
brief review of each song off of Headclouds by XYMOX. Another message
will appear summarizing a review of Metamorphosis. And please....
remember that this is only my opinion....

While not a decent discography, the two after Phoenix are:

METAMORPHOSIS 1992 Mogull Entertainment (BMG subsidiary)

HEADCLOUDS    1993 ZOK Records  ZCDXY004

HEADCLOUDS- REVIEW

My personal warning:

Overall I would say that this is not *really* XYMOX, but rather
Ronny Moorings ego gone ape ;'). In some ways this CD does seem to
be a progression from what they have been doing since Twist Of Shadows,
I am still stuck longing for more of Michelle and No Human Can Drown.
That said, If you enjoyed Love Thy Neighbor, you might enjoy this CD,
if you are looking for the 4AD XYMOX, do not look here.

An attempt at a description:

Spritual High           4.37
Fairly decent song, not the best but not the worst. Kinda dancy, female
"howling" along with ronny's vocals. In some ways, this reminds me of
Love Thy Neighbor, but better.

It's Your Life          4.25
Sounds like something that woulda been released between Twist Of Shadows
and Phoenix, but never quite happened.

prophecy                3.49
Techno-ish sounding with male aboriginal howling in harmony with the
keyboard. Very synthesized, in fact, nothing is played on this cd so far
but synthesizers and the occasional guitar.

wild in the wind        5.14
A woman sings a duet with ronny, no mention of her in the sleeve though.
Kinda sappy actually. Bad keyboards, making this worse than it should be.
This song could be a spin-off of Written In The Stars and/or At The End Of
A Day. Also, too long for this listener's ears.

a single day            4.44
This could fit in as an opener on a more ambient Twist Of Shadows, mixed
with Love Thy Neighbor. Overall, it leaves no real impression on me.

love thrills            4.35
Fast paced drumbeat and synthesizers, with airy keyboards. No vocals.
Kinda generic.

the beginning           4.53
AH, this is the song where Ronny attempts to rip off the Lords of Acid's
I Must Increase My Bust. Sample's "I Am Not A Number" from BBC Tel's Prisoner
series. Overall, try as I may, I don't really think this is a good song. As
I listen to this, it even steals the bassline from Love Thy Neighbor.

reaching out            3.58
Hmmm, what can I say about this one ? It opens with a synthesized guitar
chord. Ronny sings a little, and someone raps. Poppy, and the chorus seems
influenced by the old Manchester thing.

headclouds                      4.02
Fuzzy guitar. Slower. Vocals actually sound ok ( similar to Twist Days).
Dronier than the rest of the album, but still has elements of it. I could
like this song.

january                         6.03
Though this song is 6 minutes long, there really is no song here .
The only things that I can use as reference are:

a) Murder by New Order
b) A Final Sound by The Cure
c) the intro of Invisible Sun by The Police.
d) the outro of Pornography by The Cure

Actually, a very good song !! It is the most interesting one on this disc.

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:32:34 -0600

From bob k

Subject *Xymox*


Review # 2 - Metamorphosis

                 Twist and Phoenix (esp. Phoenix/ ATEOTD rmxs) it can now be
                 concluded that XYMOX was Ronny's band all along ! If you
                 enjoy dancier type music, you may enjoy this, but I have
                 heard better from this genre.

Sedated
Nothing much to say about this song.

Dream On
If there were ever a hit on this release it would be this song.
It has the background female voice classic to XYMOX. The song is
upbeat yet laid back. This is the old Ronny singing here.

Tightrope Walker
Percussive, and reminiscient of the Manchester scene. Relaxed.

B Who U Wanna Be
I'll be darned if I haven't heard this song somewhere before. Was
turned off by the way he wrote the title so I did have a prejudice
here. Anyway, it is an ok song, it could have been on Phoenix.

XDD
Techno/House in a serious way! Reminds me of T99 or Vice Versa.

Revolve
Ambient House, with some older sounding synthesizer thrown in
for good measure. Chorus = Love Will Hold It. Female aboriginal
type howling in the background. More rapping than singing with
a the assistance of a computer generated voice every now and then.

Love Me
This song is more of the ambient howling type of background. Who is
the person doing the rapping and singing though ??? The "Love Me"
chorus sounds like a distant ZOOROPA Bono Vocal. Instruments are all
generally flanged.

Awakening
Vocals sound like Written In The Stars. Song itself sounds like the
instruments were sampled from a video game. *Sigh*.

Real
70's style funk mixed with a standard house progression. I could hear
this as a Pet Shop Boys song actually (no pun intended).

High and Low
"Bubbles" are sampled. What is that called when you play each note in a
chord.. arpeggio ? Well anyway, that is how the first 1.5 minutes of this
song is. Then it breaks into a house beat.

Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:10:18 -0600

From bob k

Subject *Xymox*


Now that I have babbled on and given fairly substantial reviews
of 2 releases, hopefully someone can answer some of my queries.

1) What has become of Anka Wolbert ? It seems that the few songs
   that she was given credit for were actually some of my favorite
   XYMOX songs.

2) Is Pieter up to anything, or has he been playin with House like
        Ronny ?

3) Does anyone remeber the song Twisted, which was played live during
        during the Phoenix tour ? In Chicago, it was right before Phoenix.

4) By the Phoenix tour, were XYMOX even playing their instruments ?
        During Craving, I could swear Anka put her bass down, yet the bass
        was still playing .

5) If anybody is interested, I do have a few shows and Peel Sessions by
        them, including the Chicago show from Phoenix Tour and Twist Of Shadows
        Tour. Would prefer to trade, but willing to do dubs, contact me for more
        info.

6) Finally, I do have a promo 12" for Phoenix that was the result of a remix
        contest. I have never seen it since I originally bought it... and it is
        on Wing Records so it is a legit release, anybody have any further info
        on it ?

Thanks for your time..........
Bob

anaconda@wwa.com
toomuchjava@delphi.com


Date Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:46:01 -0800

From David Mccallum

Subject Cocteau's Christmas


        After the "Snow" single last year, a friend told me that the
Cocteau Twins planned on doing such a project each year.  Has anyone
heard if anything is happening this year?  If this was just a wild rumor,
let me apologize for bringing it to this list.
        Take care all.


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