Date Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:32:54 EST
From "John A. Fotheringham (YRL) 061 474 8807"
Subject Re: unsubscribe
From [email protected] (John A. Fotheringham (YRL) 061 474 8807)
Subject Re: unsubscribe
Date 4 Nov 94 19:32:49 +0000
In article <[email protected]>, Andrew Thorn writes:
> why do you want to get off this wonderful list
>
To get away from your multiple 1-line posts?
(and this one :-)
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:16:41 -0500
From Jason R Street
Subject Re: Lush
Nov 3, 94 07:59:14 pm
Call me naive, call me moronic -- WHO was "When I Die" written about?
-JasonST
p.s. and about these new US tour dates...?
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:09:00 +0200
From Adrian Sevitz
Subject Me Too Crap?
RS> Here's a quote from the current issue of _Boing Boing_:
RS> "Miranda Sex Garden is basically Dead Can Dance backed up by Rush."
RS> I swear, that's what the critic said! I confess to hearing only one MSG
RS> song (via a video that I saw on public access TV), and I thought of it more
RS> as My Bloody Valentine with Kate Bush.
RS> When comparisons get this diverse and strange, perhaps it shows that
RS> there really is something original about the band :-). And, I have to
RS> confess, both comparisons (the critic's and my own) have made me curious
RS> enough to look for a release (btw, recommendations will be welcome).
RS> I suppose deciding whether something is well-influenced or derivative
RS> really is a question of where you draw the line. But, conversely,
RS> just because everything has influences (and everything supposedly has
RS> been done), that doesn't mean we can't criticize something for being
RS> down-right derivative.
RS> -- Richard Singer
I have borrowed from afriend of mine "Fairytales of Slavery" by MSG. I have
been listening to it for about a week now. The only problem is I have to
return it on tuesday for I completey OD. I'm not going to draw any
comparisions, due to this whole me too thread, I am just going to recommen
you seek it out and give a listen.
Gnome
Who is still seething after the Belly Insults.
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Date Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:55:02 -0700
From fretting a smashed pear
Subject What about that new Grenadine and Earwig, no so new,
and Fly Sauc Att
Somebody please tell me how good that new Grenadine album is. If it's
so, so, so, good it may stick to me on my way out of the store and I may be
forced to buy it. If it's not then the rambling and rambling from Warren on the
back is still goofy and funny though I don't remember much of what he said.
That Earwig album must have been re-released also since I noticed that
in the store too. What I remember most people saying was that they weren't
quite as interesting/engaging/captivating as Insides. Now that it's available
to all are there other opinions?
How is that Flying Saucer Attack 7" too? I just missed hearing it on
the radio.."And that was the brand new Flying Saucer attack single.. Next we
have..."
bye bye (peep)
-^n
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:40:55 -0600
From Kagin Lee
Subject Re: What about that new Grenadine and Earwig, no so new,
and Fly , Sauc Att
On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, fretting a smashed pear wrote:
> That Earwig album must have been re-released also since I noticed that
> in the store too. What I remember most people saying was that they weren't
> quite as interesting/engaging/captivating as Insides. Now that it's available
> to all are there other opinions?
To me, the difference between Earwig's "under my skin..." album and the
Insides album is focus. The earwig album sounds good, but it also sounds
like it could use a lot of cleaning up, if you know what i mean. Also,
Earwig had more guitars, and perhaps less bass guitar.
I believe the rerelease is because of the arrival of la-di-da america...
something which makes me very happy. Didn't expect to be able to get
Earwig or Difference Engine at all, much less at domestic prices. Now i
wonder if i can get Earwig's last ep (or do i mean second to last)?
kagin
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:54:01 -0800
From Michael Entler
Subject Re: loose ends
Probably someone has already told you all who it is. Get
ready to puke kids it was Erasure.. and i am no longer certain of the
song title. But that's who it was.
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:59:09 -0800
From Michael Entler
Subject Re: Soundtrack
Abou the erasure sons: this is the scene (I belive anyway, it's been a
few years) where he is dancing around and holding his ahem genitals
betwixt his legs... if you are refering to another song, then i am
uncertain..
anway...
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 01:06:39 -0800
From Michael Entler
Subject Re: Silence of the Lambs
well, I guess i was wrong... Hmm could have sworn i saw it in the
credits and herad it later on a friend's copy... sorry slow at reading
my mail..
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 01:27:51 -0800
From vilexile
Subject Re: Belly touring with REM
On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, David K. Sherwin wrote:
> > Balls,Take That are crap.Shampoo is where its at.
> > Stipe probably shaves his pubes.
> Is it just me or has the mentality of this list just dropped to the level
> of a bunch of crude adolescents? If you're going to slam a group, at
> least give reasons better than just 'they suck.' That's a not a very
> strong argument.
I'm sick of strong arguments. This is a much better way of doing things.
> Anyone here go to the Pale Saints/Lisa Germano show in DC? How was it,
> if so?
Lisa Germano is a twit and the Pale Saints have no balls.
einexile
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 07:52:09 -0500
From "CHRISTIAN H. HANSEN"
Subject Re: Galaxie 500
Crimm" at Nov 5, 94 01:35:47 am
I'm that gentleman from georgetown who was looking. Where have you
found the G500 disc? You can e-mail me at
[email protected]
to keep from annoying the rest of our list with our chatter.
christian
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 07:32:51 -0800
From Julian Stewart
Subject Lisa Germano
Einexile wrote:
> Am I the only person who likes On the Way Down from the Moon Palace
> or just the only person who has ever heard it? It looks to me
> like it's been deleted.
I posted the folowing about a month ago:
Egg Records
P.O. Box 30253
Indianapolis, IN 46230
is selling the "On the Way Down..." CD for $12 ppd. It was advertised as
recently as the July/August issue of _Option_, so I wouldn't think it's
gone out of print already....has anyone tried to order it from them? I
think I may try as soon as the next check arrives....
-julian-
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 07:40:56 -0800
From Julian Stewart
Subject Lisa Germano/Pale Saints
Is anyone from this list going to see the Nov. 14th show at the Fox Theatre
in Boulder?
As far as I know, it's still $5.75 at the door (21 & over).
If you're planning to go, let me know. My store had two spots on the guest
list, and only one has been taken so far (by yours truly). I may be able to
get someone else in if the label rep. hasn't already given away our extra
spot.
-julian-
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:44:00 +0200
From Adrian Sevitz
Subject Belly touring with REM
> > Balls,Take That are crap.Shampoo is where its at.
> > Stipe probably shaves his pubes.
V> I'm sick of strong arguments. This is a much better way of doing things.
V> Lisa Germano is a twit and the Pale Saints have no balls.
Will you people get a life or find an IRC "Insult" forum or something to
annoy with your inane insults.
Yeah, yeah, your sick of strong arguments and intellectual talk, but do you
have to vent your fustrations by insulting people who really dont want to
waste their time on an interesting list like 4AD if its going to degenerate
into playground _DRIVIL_. Really, do we have to act like a lower grade life
form just because it's around exam time and you have no money for beer and
still cant relieve all that stress.
Gnome
Whos 2400 modem is about to back up after downloading 20 1 line pieces of
garbage.
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Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:49:13 -0800
From vilexile
Subject Re: Lisa Germano
On Sat, 5 Nov 1994, Julian Stewart wrote:
> Egg Records
...
> is selling the "On the Way Down..." CD for $12 ppd. It was advertised as
> recently as the July/August issue of _Option_, so I wouldn't think it's
> gone out of print already....has anyone tried to order it from them? I
> think I may try as soon as the next check arrives....
This probably means Crapitol or whoever has it is planning on holding
onto it and capitalizing off the drool-it's-4ad element. Well. Good for
them! So given the ad, my guess is it won't be deleted for a real long
time.
einexile
"God is dead."
- Nietsche
"Nietsche is dead."
- God
"Wirtschaft ist tot."
- Laibach
"Laibach ist tot."
- Wirtschaft
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 10:00:32 -0800
From vilexile
Subject Belly touring w/ REM *warning* *DRIVIL*
On Sat, 5 Nov 1994, Adrian Sevitz wrote:
> > > Balls,Take That are crap.Shampoo is where its at.
> > > Stipe probably shaves his pubes.
> V> I'm sick of strong arguments. This is a much better way of doing things.
> V> Lisa Germano is a twit and the Pale Saints have no balls.
> Will you people get a life or find an IRC "Insult" forum or something to
> annoy with your inane insults.
> Yeah, yeah, your sick of strong arguments and intellectual talk, but do you
> have to vent your fustrations by insulting people who really dont want to
> waste their time on an interesting list like 4AD if its going to degenerate
> into playground _DRIVIL_. Really, do we have to act like a lower grade life
> form just because it's around exam time and you have no money for beer and
> still cant relieve all that stress.
What you're really saying here is, "You are a lower grade life form who
doesn't study and cannot afford beer." Is this not also drivel? If you
were even reading the fucking mail you would have seen I made at least
one "proper" post to 4AD-L in the last day and was just kidding around
with this stupid thread, which is pretty clearly marked so it's not like
anyone is tricking you into reading it. Or are you looking at each
individual line in your mailreader one at a tim and thinking, "cool,
Belly are touring with REM, better take a look at that"? One need not
wonder where you got your ideas r beer and stress and exams. Cheer up.
Rent a porno or something.
> . SPEED 1.40 [NR] . Gimme a Pan Galactic Gargleblaster anytime
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy sucks.
einexile :raspberry:
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:32:26 -0500
From David B Hanna
Subject Philadelphia thislisty shows
Philly is suddenly the place to be... I think... at least this upcoming
week. First Pale Saints and Lisa Germano played last night (how was their
show?), and then this Philly Music Conference thingamajigee this weekend...
coming up...
The Moon Seven Times at the Firenze Monday night 10:30
(anyone going???? was this even mentioned on the list before?!)
Velocity Girl at the Troc Thursday night 7 pm $7
Sincere appy polly loggys for those not in the tri-state area and who could
care less about such regional matters...
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:06:06 -0500
From Ned Anderson
Subject When I Die is about...
Emma's Father.
Ned
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:54:03 -0500
From "James P. Crimm"
Subject Moxie question
<<<<
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:22:00 CDT
From Jeff Gayton
Subject French 4AD stuff
Maybe I can help with some of the confusion with these so-called "French" 4AD
releases. As far as I know, "French" means only that they were made in France.
A fair amount of the 4AD stuff released around 1986 was manufactured by MPO, a
French firm (i.e., "Medusa" and "The Moon And The Melodies"). It seems to me
that as long as they have those CAD catalog numbers, there from 4AD UK no
matter where they were made. Now there are some genuine "French" 4AD relases
(i.e., the PIXIES CD single box), but these are, to my knowledge, exceptional.
Just go by the official catalog number to determine "which" 4AD released it.
- Jeff
Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:41:00 CDT
From Jeff Gayton
Subject the degeneration of the list...
God help me, but I'm getting really irritated by some of the traffic on the
list. Is there anyone else out there tired of the DCD vs. LSD debate? Am I
the only one chagrined to find BELLY and/or R.E.M. "sucks" postings?
Don't get me wrong here. I'm not a opinion fascist -- everyone has the right
to their own opinions. And though I do like BELLY and R.E.M., that's not why I
think the spewing of postings about them has been infantile.
It's just that opinions like "they're good/bad" or "they rule/suck" are totally
pointless. If you want to tell us what you think of a band, tell us why you
have those thoughts. That way, those of us out here who haven't heard the band
in question can get an idea of what they sound like. If you do this, even a
negative opinon can be constructive -- if you say, "I don't like MAZZY STAR
because they sound too much like BIG STAR," someone who likes BIG STAR might be
led to check them out.
Which I guess brings me back to the DCD vs. LSD debate. Face it gang, it
really has little to do with whether LSD ripps off DCD (or anyone else). Its
really about whether _you_think_ LSD is good or not. In my case, there are all
kinds of bands I dislike because I think they rip someone else off. But then
again there are a lot of bands I do like even though they rip someone off. It
all depends on whether _I _think_ the band in question are worth ripping off
and rip off well.
Remember that there is very little that is truly new under the sun. And just
because something is truly new doesn't necessarily make it inherently better
than what has come before. And also remember that _every_ band has influences.
Some, for better and for worse, wear them more on their sleeves than others.
So, when you give us your opinion of a band, tell us why you feel that way.
And don't take it personally when someone offers a different point of view.
Think of it like I do -- if someone disagrees with me, it just goes to show
they have no taste and they should be pittied, not excoriated. Just don't ell
them this to their face!
- Jeff
Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:12:07 -0800
From David Mccallum
Subject Re: Portishead
I was amazed to find Portishead's album out domestically on Go!/
London/Polygram here in the states. After reading about it in THE WIRE
and on this list, I was really looking forward to it.
And yeah, it is really nice. Heavy DNA bass, Barry Adamson
soundtrack atmospherics, and a smooth female vocalist (sometimes heavily
processed). If you like Barry Adamson, or Massive Attack, or even The
Wolfgang Press, it is certainly worth giving a listen to.
Oh, and about the previous "Music Theory" post, music theory
makes no place for lyrics and something quite indescribable that I
call "the groove". To quote a sometimes brilliant, sometimes daft
lyricist with a weak voice that I find utterly captivating, Bernard Sumner,
music can make one "feel what language cannot say."
Take care all.
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:18:49 -0800
From Kelli-Jeanne
Subject Re: the degeneration of the list...
On Sat, 5 Nov 1994, Jeff Gayton wrote:
> God help me, but I'm getting really irritated by some of the traffic on the
> list. Is there anyone else out there tired of the DCD vs. LSD debate? Am I
> the only one chagrined to find BELLY and/or R.E.M. "sucks" postings?
but what good is a discussion list if you can't discuss? the dcd vs. lsd
debate is just that...a *debate*. it's not infantile bashing, like this
belly thing {which i can't even take as a serious set of posts}. what
other traffic do we have here? besides useful info like tour dates and
release dates? some reviews, perhaps, but certainly not long and thorough,
{at least, not all the time}. if we can't have some discussion, some
intelligent {or even semi-intelligent} debating about the bands and
music at hand, why subscribe to *any* list? what's the point?
> If you want to tell us what you think of a band, tell us why you
> have those thoughts. That way, those of us out here who haven't heard the
> band in question can get an idea of what they sound like. If you do
> this, even a
> negative opinon can be constructive -- if you say, "I don't like MAZZY STAR
> because they sound too much like BIG STAR," someone who likes BIG STAR might b
> led to check them out.
exactly.
* k-j * ...thoroughly missing the reject's club these days... :~(
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:54:15 -0500
From Gerald Tang
Subject Re: Lush
Jason, you are neither naive nor moronic. In fact it was a very good
question cause I honestly don't know WHO "When I Die" was written about. I do
know it was one of the 8 songs on _Split_ that Emma wrote.(Only 4 of Miki's
songs made it to the final version of _Split_) I found out that Miki used to
cry when she first heard it in an interview in the September 94 issue of
Alternative Press.
"The songs Miki explains. "are about relationships gone wrong to some
extent, but they're not necessarily about boy-girl whatever. They're just
songs about friends, songs about parents, they're songs about... I mean God
Almighty! "Invisible Man", what the hell does that mean? I don't even know
what "Desire Lines" is all about. Emma gets a bit odd some times."
Chart, August 1994
Does anybody else have any ideas about WHO "When I Die" is about?
As for new US concert dates, I received as I'm sure you did mail saying there
would be no new dates this year. Sniff....
--
GERALD TANG
VOICE/FAX -(416)225-7346
INTERNET - [email protected]
131 Beecroft Road, Apt.#901
Toronto, Ontario
Canada M2N 6G9
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:06:52 -0500
From Richard Singer
Subject Re: Toward The Within -- visual
Just wanted to say, I *finally* got to the _Toward The Within_ screening
last night and it was terrific. The live material was moving (though
not as moving as actually seeing them live), and it was nice to see
everyone's face close up for a change. The interview material was quite
illuminating, too. Sometimes they got challengingly arty (like when
Brendan explained how they came up with their name -- an explanation
that seemed a bit of a stretch to me), but most of the time they were
quite refreshingly articulate. Some of Lisa's explanations were
simultaneously intellectual and adorable. I loved the description she
gave about how her singing in an invented language was a way to get
out of her "fleshy prison" and transport herself to a country more
beautiful than any she had ever seen. I appreciated, also, that she said it
was a very easy thing to do. (I'm not sure it is, but that's a nice
thought, anyway :-) .) After so many years of hearing this band
without much explanation/illumination, the illumination made the DCD
experience even more enjoyable to me. Why isn't this the most loved
band in the world, I ask! I'm not really asking; we can all list
unfortunate answers to that . . .
-- Richard Singer
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 16:48:20 -0800
From Brant Nelson
Subject Arcana bookstore
This is the only place (here anyways) to buy the v23 Exhibit book.
4AD will not sell them.
Arcana
(310) 458-1499
1229 3rd St Promenade, Santa Monica
brant
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Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:42:25 -0700
From fretting a smashed pear
Subject Re: What about that new Grenadine and Earwig, no so new,
and Fly , Sauc Att
Hmm, I didn't see Earwig's _under my skin..._ The one I saw was an album
called _Pegboy_ on Quarter Stick Records... Maybe this is a different band.
There was a sticker that said "made in Canada."
So, how does that Grenadine sound? Or the Flying Saucer Attack?
oh llew, well ho
-^n
Date Sat, 5 Nov 1994 19:55:44 -0700
From Matt Tschantz
Subject Pixies/Lush/Xymox
Hi everyone,
I had a few questions for all of you to ponder.
1) I came across a Pixies *booklet* that appears to be something from a box
set, but I cant say for sure. It is about 10 inches square. There is
a stock number of CAD D 0010 on it. It contains portraits of each member;
illustrations of certain songs (i.e. the frog critter on a hook for Dig
for Fire); lyrics to Anna, Make Believe, Velouria, Is She Wierd, Allison,
Blown Away, Dig for Fire, Down to the Well, Hang Wire, and All over the
World....so it obviously comes from Bossanova, maybe a limited edition?
2) There is supposedly a Japanese pressing on CD of Lush B-sides, either
it is out or will be soon. Anyone know of this or what these B-sides
are?
3) There is also a Xymox B-sides compilation out on CD by Zok. Looks pretty
cool...contains around 15 to 20 songs from 1990-94. Haven't bought it
yet (you can get it from Ear/Rational for $20.50). Just wondered if
anyone has heard anything off it yet and would like to comment on it.
4) I have a Specialty Test Pressing of Xymox' Phoenix of My Heart which has
3 versions of PomH. However, it also contains the track "Love Thy
Neighbor" on it. Has anyone ever seen this track anywhere else?
(It won't be on that B-sides CD in 3.)
Lastly, I picked up Lilliput today for $80. How about that!
(No, there aren't any more to be had at that price!)
Thanks for any help!
Matt
Date Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:46:38 -0500
following senders discarded.
From the new alternateen craze
Subject Re: Pale Saints NOT BELLY!
4 Nov 1994 11:02:30 LCL
> more importantly, pale saints were superb last night.
> graehme
> (sp?) is one of the best guitar players i've ever
> witnessed. sight of you (12" version)&(colleen singing)
> was perhaps the highlight of the show. but then again,
> ***henry was also played with much passion..***
okay people this is my favorite pale saints song and i will pay good money for a
live copy of this song. neither the saints or lisa are brave enough to even
come *near* texas so i am relegated to begging. =( if anyone has taped this
show/song/whatever pls. email me privately (or whatever-use your own discretion
b/c anything is more interesting than that shit on belly and rem that i just
deleted.)
-joanna-
sun, stars, sand, tears. . .
(listening to tmc)
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