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From: CZ
Subject: me too on the me too's!
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OK, i know that most of us are sick of this "me too" argument but these
kind of statements annoy me so much because they are so seldom backed-up.
So here goes:
bmilner enlightens us:
>I've yet to hear a note that
>Mazzy Star has played or sung that hasn't been done before on a big star
>album
You know what? That's completely true (to the best of my knowledge)
but I have yet to hear a note on any Big Star or Mazzy Star or Big Hat (they
STOLE half of Big Star's name too!) album that *I* didn't play when I was
plunking around on the piano as a toddler. I don't know how they heard me but
THEY ALL RIPPED ME OFF!!!!!!!!!
>(note...This mortal coil covered TWO of their songs one ONE album!)
Yes, precisely. And they made a very original *contribution* to
the songs!! This Mortal Coil, though they do several cover tunes tend to make
a *creative* contribution to each. There are many ways to be creative (i may
be wrong but you seem to be ignoring these aspects).
>PS: oh...and throw in a little DOORS for good measure too :)
Oh yes, bastions of originality, the Doors and Big Star. I'm sure
they INVENTED the western musical scale as toddlers just to show me up. :)
It's easy to say so-and-so "sounds just like" COOLBAND because it all
depends on perspective and details! First off, i don't even pay any heed to
all those scores of music reviewers, acquaintences, etc. who say that
so-and-so sounds just like Cocteau Twins or Dead Can Dance because more often
than not I FIND VERY LITTLE (or no) RESEMBLENCE.
Usually these "music critics" are coming from a completely different
*perspective*. Sure, if you spend your life listening to Led Zeppelin and
Nirvana and you've heard a Cocteau Twins album or two a few times then
you hear another wonderful female singer that doesn't do Led Zeppelinesque
Guitar riffs and you say "Woa man. Hey dude, this sounds just like Cocteau
Twins!" WAKE UP! This is the same type of phenomenon that
is seen for all sorts of "unfamiliar" music. NO Ravi Shankar and
Subramaniam (for example) don't "sound the same" but they both do play within
the same broad genre of music (Indian music) and may share a similar aesthetic.
But to some of my acquaintences it all sounds the same. Their ears are not
tuned to the differences.
There are also different aspects of an album that can be influenced (or
even "ripped off" from another band. If you mostly enjoy and pay attention to
one aspect of the recording then the band might sound more derivative in that
area than in many others. For instance, to someone who thinks that the singing
on an album is paramount to all other aspects then a Cocteau Twins rip-off band
MUST have a female singer. To someone who listens primarily to guitar work
then a MBV rip-off band must have that "trademarked" MBV guitar sound. When
these two people talk to each other they get into arguments. One person says
that so-and-so band is a total CT rip-off but the other sees no Guthry
influence in the Guitar work and vehemently disagrees. There are so many
aspects to recording an album (including pre-conceptions from artwork and
song-titles (or the guy on the back cover playing guitar with his tongue out))
that it is highly unlikely that ALL of them were ripped off from ONE source.
"James P. Crimm" provides the perfect example:
>As my friend
>Melanie says (whenever I have a band with a female singer on), "Is
>that Edie Beickell? It sounds *just like* her".
Kelli-Jeanne said:
>i'm sick and tired of reading about good bands being "rip
> offs" of other, more established groups and yet the people who point
> fingers and name call don't ever back up their claim of "rip off".
> so i am terribly interested to find out just *what* is in LSD
Well, me too! (double entendre intended) If you are going to
say that any band is a "just like" another or especially if you're going to
insult a band by saying that they are a COOLBAND rip-off then you had better
give us some specifics. In particular, i'd like to know what perspective
you are coming from and what aspect of the sound is derivative.
I do believe that LSD have a similar aesthetic to that of certain
cocteau twins albums for certain aspects but are quite different in other
aspects. I LOVE them regardless (or even because of) this shared aesthetic.
(anyone have a detailed review of the new album?) I do NOT believe they are
a rip-off of either CT or DCD but that's irrelavent because it irks me when
i hear that statements about bands that i DON'T LIKE.
-cz
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From: Gerald Tang
Subject: Slowdive
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Does anybody have any information on the new Slowdive album due out?
egs. name of album, U.K. release date, North American release date etc.
Also does anybody know what Toni Halliday(ex-Curve) and her tentatively named
new band Bud are doing?
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From: Melvin Snerdly
Subject: LSD song titles
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To Mike, who thought that certain LSD song titles were rip offs of DCD and
Cocteau Twins titles:
You said LSD's song title 'Love's Labour's Lost' rips off the Cocteau's
'Love's Easy Tears'. Well, I don't profess to be any kind of scholar in
these matters, but I do know that 'Love's Labour's Lost' is the EXACT title
of a Shakespeare play.
And, also, LSD's 'Eudaimonia' which you say is a rip off of sorts of DCD is a
comon word that means happiness in Ancient Greek.
So, either LSD rips off DCD and the Cocteau titles, or LSD went to college,
something which DCD and the Cocteaus didn't do as far as I know.
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From: Melvin Snerdly
Subject: sorry to bother everyone here...
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but Steve Hill is being a bit too idealistic when he tells me to leave my
emotions out of my arguments here. I hate to break it to you, but I'm a
logician myself, so I don't need to be told by you what constitutes a good
sound and valid argument. You happen to know anything about universal
quantifiers or 3'rd place predicates? But that's besides the point. The
point is I can reply to your claims and be a bit peeved in my writing style
because your and the original 'me-too' bands messages' mistruths are annoying
to me and to other who know the truth, plain and simple. Anyone who says
that LSD's music is badly recorded (as was asserted in the original 'me-too
bands' message) is plainly mistaken, regardless of whether or not one likes
their music.
Anyways, I wish to lay this all to rest. Let's talk about something else!
I'm tired of being annoyed. Anyone know any good restraunts?
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From: Kelli-Jeanne
Subject: that 'official' list, scene 2...
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forget what i said about it before. i just got the li'l
newletter. hmm..i dunno...kendra smith was spellbinding
at Virgos? i didn't see her play, but i'd have to question
that statement...
tomorrow's the end of v23's exhibit. i shall be there for one
long, final look at the li'l twee exhibit...
* k-j * ...knows nothing about universal quantifiers, and doesn't
care to. however, does know a thing or two about the Olive
Garden...a mighty fine italian restaurant.... :)
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From: vilexile
Subject: Re: does originality spiral downwards?
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On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Brant Nelson wrote:
> What it comes down to, for me anyway, is this:
>
> You like band X.
> Band Y has some similarities to band X.
> Therefore you like band Y.
>
> Follow any other equation and you might be fooling yourself.
I think there's something to be said for a band's integrity. Indeed if a
band were in fact faceless and purveyors of "product", one might be
annoyed at this, so the philosophy ought to count in somewhere. If you
let any kind of moral code figure into your tastes, you might grow to
hate a band who you would have liked, had you known nothing about them
(and their influences). There's nothing wrong with this, but I think some
of us set ou standards too high and fail to acknowledge that most of
these artists have something to add to the creative gene pool. But that's
just what it is--a gene pool. Songwriters and musicians can only create
what occurs to them to create, and the rest will just be a backdrop of
conventions they're fond of. If you're all convention and doing it just
so you can say you did it, in my opinion you're a charlatan, and people
shouldn't be given credit for something they didn't put in any work on,
but at the same time I think bands who try too hard to be innovative for
its own sake, where there is no love involved, are just as bad. I just
think it's kind of stupid to let this stuff nag at you and ruin a good
record for you when it does have something to offer.
einexile
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From: Brant Nelson
Subject: no more v23 exhibit
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If you're planning on going to have one last look
at the v23 exhibit today (friday) [hi k-j!] you'll
be disappointed to find out that they actually closed
the exhibit on Wednesday, two days early! I just found
out yesterday when I went back to get a couple more
v23 art books. Those stinkers! Now according to 4AD,
the only place to get the books is Arcana, that bookstore
in Santa Monica.
brant
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From: HM CRADICK
Subject: Belly touring with REM
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Just in case you didn't already know - Belly will be touring with REM on
their UK stadium tour this summer. Other acts supporting are The
Cranberries, Blur, Oasis and the Beautiful South.
T.T.F.N.
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From: Andrew Thorn
Subject: Re: Belly touring with REM
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belly are crap
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Subject: Re: Belly touring with REM
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4 Nov 1994 12:20:36 GMT from
Damn right,they are crap.REM too.
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Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
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From: "Neil G."
Organization: CHEMISTRY - WITS UNIVERSITY
Subject: Art/DCD/CHEAP MUSIC
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The artist Dave McKeen has been on this list before where his art
has been compared to that of v23. For those who don't know, he does a
lot of stuff in the graphic novels industry (Sandman, Sandman trading
cards, Batman (eg Arkham Asylum). Well, last week I picked up two
CD's by the totally non-thislisty band Paradise Lost. The covers
are really quite good and are done by Dave McKeen. It is strange how
some of these artists seem to have a finger on eveyone's pie (rem:
all the places where Chris Bigg and Vaughan Oliver have showed up).
I wonder if the people at v23 have ever been tempted to do graphic
novels? Imagine getting Neil Gaiman, v23 and Dave McKeen to work
together on a Sandman novel-Yeah! If anybody knows these people,
suggest it.
Got 'Towards the Within' the beginning of this week. Mega-
complaints from the neighbours who got shaken awake by bass and
volume disturbing the foundations of the flat-complex >:) ). Reminds
me of a note at the end of the credits of the The The album, Mindbomb,
where Matt Johnson tells us to listen to the album "Very late, Very
loud and Very alone". Good album, but not as good as good as last
year's though.
I have noticed people going on about bugging the hard-to-get-
hold-of bloke at EAR-Rational for music. Many may know this, but in
case you didn't: try Flat Field Records!!!. He certainly has the
cheapest CD's I've seen on the net (eg. for Projekt stuff he is better
than Darkwave2@aol... He also beats the @#$! out of CDCONNECTION and
CDEUROPE). For those impatient wingnuts like myself he is very fast!
I live in South Africa and it took under two weeks for my Projekt "of
these reminders" ltd edition to arrive after payment was made.
Although his catalogue is not the largest i'm sure he'll try and get
stuff you want not listed in it (not totally sure about this).
To get hold of him:
(1) email [email protected] with "info" as mail subject to get info
of other commands to send.
(2) "catalog" as header gets you the latest catalogue.
(3) WWW url address: http:// hhmmmmmm??? Fuckit, can't remember at
this moment! You can get it from the "info" bulletin though.
+-+-+-+-+
|Neil
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From: Andrew Thorn
Subject: Re: Belly touring with REM
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michael stipe is a baldy numpty
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From: Shaun D Morrow
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Who the hell said that belly are crap?! They are bloody ace.
REM are GODS so enough of the blasphemy eh?
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Subject: Re: Belly touring with REM
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Damn right he is,and his vocals screwed up "Your Ghost"
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What is your problem, man?
Stipe is a fooking ace singer, it's not in his vocabulary to `screw up' a song
Get a life dood!
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ace? what is fuckin ace about stipe
hes a dog turd and screws up eveything
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Right ya tooby,
Stop slagging Stipe, I am getting really pissed off with your constant fukin
slating of REM. Bet you listen to Take That ya slagger fuk
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Damn right,he even screws up being a screw-up.HUH! Ace my butt!Belly are great
compared to him,and they suck(and blow,crunch and all the other descriptions
the erudite use.
WHats a life dood?!
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Balls,Take That are crap.Shampoo is where its at.
Stipe probably shaves his pubes.
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Right, I've had enough.
I DONT like REM and I hate Belly with a vengeance (in fact I hate all of those
indy guitar bands). I just thought I'd get you guys riled up a bit. (remember
peace, love and happiness people)
Electrnoic music is where its at (with a little guitar thrown in of course)
Terrible Lie!!!
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> Balls,Take That are crap.Shampoo is where its at.
> Stipe probably shaves his pubes.
Is it just me or has the mentality of this list just dropped to the level
of a bunch of crude adolescents? If you're going to slam a group, at
least give reasons better than just 'they suck.' That's a not a very
strong argument.
Anyone here go to the Pale Saints/Lisa Germano show in DC? How was it,
if so?
Also, how is the new Ivy CD? It's been out for a few weeks but I haven't
had time to check it out.
Lastly, if you live in/near Charlottesville, two really good pop bands
are playing this Saturday night at a local nightclub, Pete's Monticello
Grill: Operation Love and charming. the latter band I'm sort of biased
about because I'm in it, but I think we're definitely worth checking
out.
-David
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here here
when is new puppy single out ?
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i think ill give your pop bands a wide birth
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So Mr. Dks3c (or whatever)
What kinda stuff does your band play then ?
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Wooo,you are now up shit creek without a paddle,pal!!!
It is very unsafe to express preferenceforelectronic music on the list.Well,not
electronic music for what it is,but how dare you prefer it to mediocre guitar
Indie krap???!!
I cant say that my views on Belly are any different to my views on Lush,but it
is a well known fact amongst the electronic equipment that plays my discs that
they have never taken the place of something that sounds,looks and acts just
like Ambient/Trance and their raved-up relatives.
Anyway,back to the argument about mbv and lsd and ripping off and unoriginality
and rantrantrantrant
Guess what!
You all have to put in your own emoticons.
hahahahahahahahahaha
The FSOL drooler
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My gosh Matilda...some bloody bloke has gone and left his computer
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Cool - this must be fucking USENET!!! one line 'belly are crap' posts just
don't look good in digest form folks...
anyways, caught Pale Saints/Lisa Geronimo/Frances Dunnery last night in DC.
skipped Frances Dunnery since NO ONE ON 4AD-L COULD TELL ME WHO OR WHAT FD IS.
tried to skip Lisa Geronimo ('Lisa Geronimo is crap!' take that), but got
stuck watching about half her set. it's just not my cup 'o jo. she can't sing
live either.
Pale Saints were pretty good. they'll never be PALE SAINTS (a la 3-piece w/Ian)
but since this was the first time i'd seen any Pale Saints live it was fine.
basically they sound as you'd expect - they play album versions of current
songs. they did a couple of old songs ("Sight of You" w/Colleen singing) and
2 covers ("Blue Flower" and a Buzzcocks song). but everything else was either
from the new album or a Meriel song from the last.
all in all i had a good time - Graeme was quite animated - Meriel joked about
him hamming it up a lot.
see 'em if you get the chance - how often do you get a double 4AD bill...
Keith
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i bet they play really naff pop stuff
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Hey excuse me Theo
Who said anything about liking ambient/techno. Open your eyes man there are
other kinds of electronic music out there.
You ever heard of Nine Inch Nails, Depeche Mode, Skinny Puppy, FLA, Front 242
do I really need to go on eh?
(not even a mention of the Aphex Twin or Orbital)
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and what about Cacophony 33?
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Is there anybody out there, I'm getting kinda lonely
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oh you poor lonely child buy the new DCD cd mate!
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anybody seen new the DCD vid yet ?
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> Is there anybody out there, I'm getting kinda lonely
there's plenty of 'crap' posts on the newsgroups like alt.music.alternative!
since i'm in a grumpy mood this morning - what's the deal with the 'official
list' - i've tried multiple times and not heard a word back...
I'M CRAP!
Keith
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Hey Keith
who you speaking to man? I'm gettin kinda confused here
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From: The FSOL drooler <130FS4%[email protected]>
Subject: OH ,as the flames come marching in,(cue soundtrack)
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Ok,before you all wet your pants,it is actually called banter.(About the
"adolescent"belly/rem postings)
Regrettably I have to make the point(again)that ultimately all the discussions
about the music on the list are opinions.One likes music because it touches
some part of you that likes to be touched.So,whether you like it or not,when
someone says"that sucks"it is just as valid an opinion as "i dont like it becau
se they are a rip-off,cant play,negative talent etc."To get up on your hind leg
s and start yelling isnt going to make that person like your latest obsession.
The only rationale for being into something like art/music is emotion,and since
when did "Your emotions are different to mine and thus should change"-type
reasoning ever make anyone like something????
Anyway,my afternoon has been hugely entertaining after the tedious week.
Keep well
Theo
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Well Keith ,
what kinda sounds do you like yourself
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Subject: Re: Belly touring with REM
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In-Reply-To: Message of Fri,
4 Nov 1994 13:40:50 GMT from
Hey,cs2sm.
What about KMFDM?heh?heh?
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From: Jon O Kvebaek
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In-Reply-To:
On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, The FSOL drooler wrote:
> So,whether you like it or not,when someone says"that sucks"it is just as
valid an opinion as "i dont like it because they are a rip-off,cant play,
negative talent etc.
On the other hand, I can't say i find it very interesting to read 'xxx sucks'
posts.
On a side note: What's the address to the 'official list' *k-j* mentioned?
JoN.
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From: jOHN yOCHIM
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In message Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:36:33 -0500,
"C.W. COLE" <[email protected]> writes:
> Greetings
> I just found out about your e-address, and the list you offer
> please mail me a 4ad rec. artistl list
> thanks
> Chris Cole
> HMV #810
> London Ontario
>
Ummm... I think you have the wrong address... You have written to the ENTIRE
4AD-L list (340 + subscribers)... not the actual 4AD recored label.
-jOHN
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From: SCSI Master tm
Subject: the NAME game...
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first andrew asks:
>Well Keith ,
>
> what kinda sounds do you like yourself
well, i'm a musician of sorts, and as you might have read in a previous post,
musicians are generally very musically open-minded, unlike my e-mailbox,
which isn't...
then Shaun asks:
>Hey Keith
>
>who you speaking to man? I'm gettin kinda confused here
damn good point - but read below...
finally JoN comes through:
>On the other hand, I can't say i find it very interesting to read 'xxx sucks'
>posts.
this is *exactly* what i'm saying - if you want to 'banter', keep it somewhere
that has a reputation for mindless chatter. remember, i've been on this list
for quite a long time and am familiar with it's reputation for being concise
and informative. Julian Lawton asks where i've been - honestly, lately, i've
been exercising the 'delete' key quite often! i'm sorry, but a one line post
does not generally provide 'usefull' information. it is, however, concise.
>On a side note: What's the address to the 'official list' *k-j* mentioned?
ok, now for something 'usefull' IMHO of course...
try '[email protected]' the chap who runs the thing is at 'cliff@...'
i'm old and burnt out charcoal - flame away if you so desire...
does CRAP burn, BTW?
Keith
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Hey JHUVM , dont you dare slag KMFDM
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Who the HELL keeps going about about SUCKS, it's really bugging me
And hey Theo, what do ya mean KMFDM heh, heh, heh.
Heres a message for Keith, you say your a musician, so what do you play?
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Shaun,
I think you should buy the Headcleaner CD
Neubauten vid
& go and see Slayer!
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A good restaurant? That reminds me. I was eating at a restaurant (Friendly's
- family style, just in case you aren't familiar with them) when "Bluebeard"
started playing over the PA.
Not to be an anti-commercialization snob or anything, but it sort of makes
their {Cocteaus} music seem less special when it is co-opted into mainstream
radio airplay. Sandwiched between Pearl Jam and Mariah Carey, even the CTs
become unlistenable. I know Liz, Robin, and Simon need to eat and need to
sell records, but I just can't picture anything from, say "Treasure" or even
"Blue Bell Knoll" becoming a "Fade into You"-style runaway-hit-single, so why
bother to dissolve their mystique. The Cocteau Twins' reputation and mystery
is reliant on their remaining "uncommon" music. I can't help but think that
they made a mistake by leaving 4AD, but (since nothing I say can change that)
it makes me wonder whether Capitol has even got a clue. Granted, 4CC is a far
more commercial album, but that may also be why it seems so uninspired and
disappointing.
I think such exposure violates the music, alienates the true fans (who don't
NEED to be sold, they already love them), and for what? "Bluebeard" was never
exactly overplayed on MTV, but it's easy to see that in a market that
elevates unspectacular drivel like Green Day and Offspring to the realms of
multi-platinum superstars, a band expressing themselves with delicacy and
(old-fashioned?) warmth never has a chance of breaking that barrier anyways.
Keep the Cocteaus underground, where they are respected and revered.
,,,and I guess that's my 5 cents worth,
[email protected]
Is anyone out there a fan of Too Pure UK? I think, with 4AD succumbing to
more "trad-rock" signings, TP remains one of the world's few bastions of
innovation and creation in music. Their bands can be amazingly blissfull as
well. If you're a fan, please reply (to me or to 4AD-L). It would be nice to
know that I'm not alone. I mean, why has there been so little mention of Pram
and the new Moonshake incarnations in the press? They are incredibly
brilliant!
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How do I get off this list?
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why do you want to get off this wonderful list
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> Where does _Blood_ fit in? I can pick this cd up for $7 ppd.
Certainly a steal at that price. I paid $23 for mine when it came out *bitch,
moan, whine*
I think _Blood_ is actually the most accessible of the three TMC albums. Not
an "all-star" affair like _It'll End in Tears_, and not nearly as gothic and
foreboding as _Filigree_and_Shadow_.
The Chris Bell and Syd Barrett covers are wonderful....
Just buy the album, if you haven't already :)
-julian-
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yeah i bought it its beautiful
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> From: David Mccallum
> Are you talking about "Goodbye Horses" by Q. Lazzarus? Jonathan
> Demme used that song in both SILENCE and MARRIED TO THE MOB. The song is
> on the MARRIED soundtrack which is sadly out of print. (It's great though.
> It's one of the few soundtracks I own with vocal tracks on it. It has rare
> and unreleased tracks and mixes from Sinead, New Order, Chris Isaak,
> Debbie Harry, Tom Tom Club, The Feelies, and Brian Eno.)
> Good luck finding it and take care all.
___________________________________________________
ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. at long last; a loose end
no more. after much, much (trust me on this one) much searching, i
found said soundtrack and my (perhaps not so)"haunting" song was
revealed.(the one that goes; "i'm crying,crying,crying over you.
youuuuuuu...).now i have to find all the Q. Lazarus albums. my search
included albums by; house of love, savage republic, the fall, gene
loves jezebel, and colin newman..book of love is actually on the
soundtrack too. so, thanks for all the input friends...
[email protected]
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From: Erikas Aras Napjus
Subject: 4ad-l via Web
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I did a little hacking on evo.org last night and created a program which
automatically parses mail addressed to [email protected] into a format
which is readable by standard Web readers. I then subscribed
[email protected] up to 4ad-l. You can now witness the result:
http://www.evo.org/4ad-l/
This is basically similar in format to the 4ad-l digest at this point.
All of the messages from a particular day are put into a html file like
1994-11-4.html which are located in the above directory. Unlike the
digest, they are updated once an hour based on all of the mail which has
been received for the eyesore account. So it's slightly more real time
than the digest and doesn't take up any of your quota, but is kind of
painful if you want to read stuff frequently since you'll have to scan
through an entire day's worth of mail. It's also butt ugly in formatting
since I spent most of the time last night getting the text parser to
work properly; I'll probably fix this at some point in the future, but
don't quite have the time right now.
Anyway, send any comments to me at [email protected] or [email protected].
Don't send comments or bug reports to [email protected] since, for right
now, they'll just go into the archives. (Kind of cheesy, actually.) And
feel free to tell me what you think. . .
--- Erikas
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From: Sargent David Edward
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looks like the haters have come out of the woodwork, eh? if i may
add a few shilling; m.stipe did ruin"your ghost", and belly are not
tainted by the "no talent" handicap.
anyway, my school's computers aren't the quickest, so, if you're
going to pull another 20 message slag-fest (shaun and co.) please try
to condense it. i don't like downloading for 15 min....
more importantly, pale saints were superb last night. graehme
(sp?) is one of the best guitar players i've ever witnessed. sight of
you (12" version)&(colleen singing) was perhaps the highlight of the
show. but then again, henry was also played with much passion...
about lisa germano; if one doesn't have anything nice to say, say
it gracefully and/or constructively or don't say anything at all.
oh, rich holtzman (4ad man on the street) says he'll be on line
soon.
[email protected]
"i know enough not to use universal quantifiers haphazardly and
also think that if you want italian food, do the monte carlo thing"
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>michael stipe is a baldy numpty
[other recent derrogatory comments about Belly deleted]
Gee, I didn't know that there were so many stupid idiots on 4AD-L...
Randy
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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu,
03 Nov 94 17:33:44 PST." <[email protected]>
With the tremendous amount of time it takes messages from the list to
wend their way to my tiny backwater, this has probably
already been answered...
Kelli-Jeanne despairingly says:
> ok....for the umpteenth time, i subbed to that address, and
> still..nada. not one li'l peep. :pout: does anyone get responses?
> is this thing actually "up and running" properly and the problem
> is on my end? please..someone..anyone..help. this isn't a life or
> death thing fo rme, but i get so darned annoyed with mail list
> problems. i don't have the address of the person in 'charge' of
> that list, or else i'd write him instead...
Do you mean the address [email protected]?
I got my first bulletin on Monday (I'm on mailing list II). And I had
sent my address to "bulletin" only a six days before. I think there's
a human at the other end, not a machine so, it wouldn't hurt to
sprinkle your address all over the place if you're not doing that
already:).
I found this in a message from this past summmer, maybe it will be
of help:
> Finally, if you have a specific question about the service we hope to
> provide please contact me:
> [email protected]
Mike
ObMusic:
I picked up my AVAM CD the other day and I have to say that to my
surprise I like the whole thing. (well, Saints isn't one of my
favorites and the Air Miami track doesn't make me want give them my
money...). Even the much-maligned Kendra Smith's contribution "Brave
Marauder" is okay, though I agree that for a folk song the lyrics are
a bit weak. It makes me want to dig out my Steeleye Span records.
I love "Childcatcher"
In other news, I saw Split in vinyl! the other day. Aside from
slightly different cover art, is there anything special about it?
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Comments: Resent-From: "Gerald Tang"
Comments: Originally-From: "Gerald Tang"
From: Gerald Tang
Subject: Re: Childcatcher lyrics
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In-Reply-To: David Dahrsnin "Lush" (Nov 3, 6:27pm)
David, I would have sent this directly to you but I wasn't sure if anybody
else on the list was curious so that's why it's posted here.
CHILDCATCHER
Baby, he says
You are like the clean white page and I the pen
The innocence I find in between your girlish thighs
Is like the fountain of youth to my old bones
And she replies
Daddy's little girl's a precocious child
I love to please
I'll do anything that you ask of me
Eager to fulfill all of Daddy's needs
Baby, he says
I can never love older girls like I love you
You're easier to please and
You never give me grief
`Cause you accept everything I say & do
And she replies
I'm in no position to make demands
I have no past
No one else has done to me what you do
I've got no one else to compare you to
And though you'll grow older
Stay like you're sixteen all your life
Old women grow bitter
Don't let that happen to you
And why is it charming pretending
I'm younger than my years
Why can't I grow up with dignity
Set me free
Baby, he says
Now that you're older I feel our love has died
Once upon a time
You never criticized me Oh
I much preferred you as a child
And I reply
Everything you said to me was a lie
I know your kind
You just want a daughter without the wife
You don't need a girlfriend you need a life
So, what did you think of the song? About Lush returning to the States, I
don't know but if they do I sure hope they stop by Toronto, Canada and NOT
play an all-ages show. I would rather see them in a small licensed club.
See ya later!
On Nov 3, 6:27pm, David Dahrsnin wrote:
> Subject: Lush
> Two items... and I'll make it short.
>
> 1. Does anybody here on the list have a copy of the lyrics for the LUSH
> track _Childcatcher_? If so, would you please e-mail me a copy.
>
> 2. I have been told that LUSH are returning to the _states_ in November
for
> more concert engagements. If anyone knows for sure if this is true or not,
> or has tour information, then please e-mail me.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> --Dave
> [email protected]
>-- End of excerpt from David Dahrsnin
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From: "John A. Fotheringham (YRL) 061 474 8807"
Subject: Me too: CT rip off Banshees (shock horror!)
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"Me too"?
Is it only me, or do I remember correctly that the Cocteau Twins were once
dismissed as Siouxsie and the Banshees rip-offs. Indeed, how many female
vocalist in the past decade have escaped comparison with Siouxsie, the Cocteau
Twins, Kate Bush, Throwing Muses or Sinead O'Connor?
When I first heard Magnapop, I heard the Pixies, the Buzzcocks and several
other. Now I just hear Magnapop. Someone described Veruca Salt as being
between the Breeder and Magnapop - and first time you hear them that is EXACTLY
what they sound like.
I guess my point is this; first time you hear a band you are more likely to
recognise what other bands they sound like, rather than pick up on how they are
unique (assuming they are). You should only really call a band derivative if
they still sound exactly like someone else after several listens.
All I am saying, is give bands a chance. (tee hee hee)
Cheers, JAF
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In <[email protected]>, Melvin Snerdly wrote:
> So, either LSD rips off DCD and the Cocteau titles, or LSD went to college,
> something which DCD and the Cocteaus didn't do as far as I know.
Will you *please* just lighten up and stop taking everything as a personal
attack?
-shill
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In <[email protected]>, Neil G. wrote:
> The artist Dave McKeen has been on this list before where his art
> has been compared to that of v23. For those who don't know, he does a
> lot of stuff in the graphic novels industry (Sandman, Sandman trading
> cards, Batman (eg Arkham Asylum). Well, last week I picked up two
> CD's by the totally non-thislisty band Paradise Lost. The covers
> are really quite good and are done by Dave McKeen.
The cover of the new Front Line Assembly album was done by McKean.
I asked McKean a number of years ago (when he was doing a signing tour for
Arkham Asylum) about v23/23 Envelope. His comment was "A friend of mine just
the other day showed me the booklet to the Pixies CD...wonderful stuff!"
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cool
/ drock
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AT> From: Andrew Thorn
AT> Subject: Re: Belly touring with REM
AT> belly are crap
_NOT_
Didn't the "ME TOO" thread teach anyone that people have musical tastes of
their own and to slag off a band without justification is kinda low.
I happen too like Belly, I could die hearing Tanya Donnelies voice and
think that if you would like to blatently rip off a band for know other
reason than you merely don't like their music you could do it in a place
where people would appreciate your comments.
I for one don't!
Gnome
Who is going to now throw himself out a window backward during a full moon
after he has fed his tree.
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Subject: OH ,as the flames come ma
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TFD> Ok,before you all wet your pants,it is actually called banter.(About the
TFD> "adolescent"belly/rem postings)
TFD> Regrettably I have to make the point(again)that ultimately all the discussi
ns
TFD> about the music on the list are opinions.One likes music because it touches
TFD> some part of you that likes to be touched.So,whether you like it or not,whe
TFD> someone says"that sucks"it is just as valid an opinion as "i dont like it b
cau
TFD> se they are a rip-off,cant play,negative talent etc."To get up on your hind
leg
TFD> s and start yelling isnt going to make that person like your latest obsessi
n.
TFD> The only rationale for being into something like art/music is emotion,and s
nce
TFD> when did "Your emotions are different to mine and thus should change"-type
TFD> reasoning ever make anyone like something????
Yes, I can't argue with the point you present in this letter, but it does
sorta open the lines to "Oh well, Since I dont like xxxxx and I am not busy
at the moment let me mention it repetedely."
Well you say belly sucks.
I say ...
Belly Rules
Belly Rules
Belly Rules
Belly Rules
Belly Rules
Belly Rules
Belly Rules
Belly Rules
Belly Rules
Gnome
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HC> Just in case you didn't already know - Belly will be touring with REM on
HC> their UK stadium tour this summer. Other acts supporting are The
HC> Cranberries, Blur, Oasis and the Beautiful South.
HC> T.T.F.N.
HC> Helen.
If anyone goes to this concert and get me either a *BELLY* or *REM* concert
T- Shirt......................
I live in lonly South Africa and the odds of REM or my favourite 4AD band
Belly coming her a figured to be about NIL.
I will sell my soul to get a Belly Concert Anything (especially Shirt) and
my right arm to get a REM (ditto)
If you don't take body parts, I could arange for something you want ....
Please ....
The ever so Hopeful Gnome
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From: Brant Nelson
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Stipe: Anybody who can play a tired old ice cream salesman
at the beach on The Adventures Of Pete & Pete is cool.
About Geek The Girl. I agree that it's very good, better than
Happiness. The songs are a lot spookier than her playing solo
at AVAM. I was actually a bit disappointed since I figured it was going
to be just her and her guitar / piano, and the production on the album
sounds kinda strange in comparison.
brant
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Hello all,
Below is a semi-interesting tidbit from alt.gothic. I remember
viewing the eysore listing for Xymox and not seeing anything about
a potential 3-lp set. I guess, a better question is: Is Medusa
(the french import) the full album. Are there more then one
versions of this album?
I suspect that the French import is the full album, but really don't
know. Lately it seems I've been running into people with obscure
German bootlegs and Japanese pressings, so I am not nearly the Xymox
guru I thought I was.
If anyone knows anything, please email or post here.
Thanks,
-brian
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> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Savvas Ioannou) w
ites:
> |> Does anybody know if there are more that one versions of clan of xymox
> |> medusa cd? I've bought the french import, but something tells me that
> |> this is not a full version (it lasts about 45 minutes). I've heard that
> |> when it was originally released there was also a 3-lp set. If this is the
> |> case, does this exist on cd format?
> |>
> |> savvas
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does that mean that sampled guitars are too electronic?
does that mean tat digital effects boards are too electronic?
does that means that music should be made on analog equipment, recorded on
anolog equipment, and reproduced on analog equipment?
.v.
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while eating at friendly's, bisonboy heard:
>"Bluebeard" > started playing over the PA.
> Not to be an anti-commercialization snob or anything, but it sort of makes
> their {Cocteaus} music seem less special when it is co-opted into
>mainstream
> radio airplay. Sandwiched between Pearl Jam and Mariah Carey, even
perhaps because of the sandwiching songs, but that really doesn't
detract from the beauty of the songs
> is reliant on their remaining "uncommon" music. I can't help
depends on what you define as common;
if common means that everyone is familiar with the cocteaus, then i
say great!
if common means it sounds like the rest of the drivel on commercial
radio, then i say impossible!
> they made a mistake by leaving 4AD, but (since nothing I say can
why should someone remain in an unhealthy relationship for other
people's benefit?
> it makes me wonder whether Capitol has even got a clue. Granted, 4CC is a far
if it weren't for capitol, we might never have heard 4cc
> but that may also be why it seems so uninspired and disappointing
blasphemy! just because it's on a major label doesn't mean the music
is any worse. granted there is a high correlation, but the cocteaus
can do no wrong:)
> I think such exposure violates the music, alienates the true fans
(who don't
> NEED to be sold, they already love them), and for what? "Bluebeard" was never
> exactly overplayed on MTV, but it's easy to see that in a market that
> elevates unspectacular drivel like Green Day and Offspring to the realms of
> multi-platinum superstars, a band expressing themselves with delicacy and
> (old-fashioned?) warmth never has a chance of breaking that barrier anyways.
> Keep the Cocteaus underground, where they are respected and revered.
>
> [email protected]
if the cocteaus remained underground, they never would have sold
enough records to continue making records etc. etc. and we wouldn't
be having this discussion...
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Wow! I'm one of the lucky contestants who gets to see m7x live! And I nearly
missed this posting, too. Is anyone else planning to be there? Mail me:
[email protected]
-Matt Krom
11/04/94 (Fri.)
The Middle East
472 Massachusetts Ave
Cambridge, MA 02139
(617) 354-5434
Starts 10:30pm
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Umm... I really don't like Counting Crows.
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1. Is Geek the Girl out yet? Seems to me a lot of people have been
speaking about it as though it's a proper release (i.e. someone I think
in the US said "i went and picked up geek the girl and within the toward
today") ...but I've been told it won't be out for a week or two here. Is
this true?
2. Am I the only person here who likes On the Way Down from the Moon
palace, or just the only person who has ever heard it? It looks to me
like it's been deleted. I hope 4AD brings it out. I prefer it to
Inconsiderate Bitch and the old Happiness I have. (Is there any reason to
get the 4AD Happiness if I have these?)
3. What's the difference between the two IB singles?
einexile
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vilexile sez:
>1. Is Geek the Girl out yet?
yup - i ordered it earlier this week from noteworthy and it appeared in
my mailbox yesterday. i think it was released *last* week actually....
>2. Am I the only person here who likes On the Way Down from the Moon
>palace, or just the only person who has ever heard it?
nope - that was the first i heard of lisa way back when. i'd say that i
prefer it to her new stuff as well - it's more stream-of-consciousness
and dreamy. the song-orientation on _happiness_ is okay but it didn't
leave as great an impression on me. i'm not yet all that familiar with
_geek_ so i'll reserve the right to change my opinion.
i think _on the way down..._ is still available. just hard to find.
+w
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In <[email protected]>, vilexile wrote:
> 1. Is Geek the Girl out yet?
Yes, in the US
> 2. Am I the only person here who likes On the Way Down from the Moon
> palace, or just the only person who has ever heard it? It looks to me
> like it's been deleted. I hope 4AD brings it out. I prefer it to
> Inconsiderate Bitch and the old Happiness I have.
I do too. I daresay I was the only person on the list who had a complete Lisa
Germano catalog long before she was signed to 4AD. (Aren't you all proud of
me? It means I'm better than all of you, you know... 8^) ) You can still find
copies of "On the Way Down From the Moon Palace" so it may not yet be out
of print. I was quite disappointed when "Happiness" was released (originally)
because it was not as good as "Moon Palace". Then 4AD came in and made
it better...
-shill
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I won't drag this on much longer, myself, since time's a little short
right now. I just wanted to address a few comments . . . To the person
who suggested more detailed descriptions of why LSD sounded derivative
to me (and to others) based on individual songs, I'd say: You've got a
good point there, but to do this, I would have to listen to the LP I
have (_Idylls_) and listen to it fairly carefully -- something I just
don't want to do right now. (Maybe later . . . who knows?) The person
who cited song titles made a good point, though, and I'll always welcome
such specific commentary, myself, as opposed to unsubstantiated remarks.
My comment was only that praise of LSD and other bands isn't held up to
the same critical standards. When somebody says "This band is the
greatest" or "They bring tears to my eyes," then at least as many people
should be asking, "Why?" (I know, I committed the same sin raving about
_Toward The Within_, but time is kinda short as I said -- that's a dilemma,
I guess.)
Now, Jon Gonzales wrote:
>R. Singer's points are well founded, as far as LSD goes; I believe he uses
>the "DCD without the rhthym" comment fairly, because I believe he uses it as
>a POINT OF REFERENCE for someone who has never heard LSD, and needs a quick
>summation.
Yes, that's a fair assessment . . .
>I've also heard others describe it as "Victorialand-era CT's"
>which may be closer. It certainly works better than "flowery, ethereal,
>entrancing... ad nauseum."
>KJ's points are also good, because she takes the position of a fan who
>venomously defends her band, and speaks with a "passionate intensity." She
>obviously gets a great deal of pleasure listening to LSD. Personally, I like
>LSD's two discs, Ardor and Idylls very much, but I can still see R. Singer's
>POV. What I want to know, is since when does originality have to be such a
>huge issue? Like someone said on the thread, everythings been done before.
>The important thing is what the particular artist or body of music does to
>the individual.
I do think originality is an important quality that can determine how
much a band affects the individual. I don't mean in terms of making
the individual want to go out and buy a recording, listen to it a
hundred times and then trash it; I mean giving the individual a quality
experience that will stick around and maybe influence him/her for a
while. Yet the "industry" is more geared toward the play-and-trash
mode; we all know that . . .
>As far as bands and points of reference go, try to explain what Throwing
>Muses or Miranda Sex Garden derive their musical roots. Have fun.
Here's a quote from the current issue of _Boing Boing_:
"Miranda Sex Garden is basically Dead Can Dance backed up by Rush."
I swear, that's what the critic said! I confess to hearing only one MSG
song (via a video that I saw on public access TV), and I thought of it more
as My Bloody Valentine with Kate Bush.
When comparisons get this diverse and strange, perhaps it shows that
there really is something original about the band :-). And, I have to
confess, both comparisons (the critic's and my own) have made me curious
enough to look for a release (btw, recommendations will be welcome).
I suppose deciding whether something is well-influenced or derivative
really is a question of where you draw the line. But, conversely,
just because everything has influences (and everything supposedly has
been done), that doesn't mean we can't criticize something for being
down-right derivative.
-- Richard Singer
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Hello,
If a band moves you, it moves you.
Nothing else matters (unless the only reason you buy a bands music is to
follow what everyone else follows or to be temporarily elitist).
If they copy, they copy. Do you like their music for what it is as an
entity or not?
If you do, congratulations.
If you do not, congratulations.
Think.
T
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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Take a look at these two addresses:
From: Andrew Thorn
From: Shaun D Morrow
Take a look at two sample posting from these "people":
>Hey JHUVM , dont you dare slag KMFDM
(That was an "Andrew Thorn" one.)
>Hey Keith
>
>who you speaking to man? I'm gettin kinda confused here
(That was a "Shaun D Morrow".)
So, what we have here is either a fifteen year old numbskull who talks
to himself a lot, or we have two fifteen year old numbskulls who talk
to themselves, but have decided to let us share in the fun. Oh joy.
I speak on behalf of everybody in the known universe when I ask you
two to piss off and come back when (or if) you grow up.
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