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Compilations Discography / Groupography Other 4AD Questions Mail INTRODUCTION This is the list of Frequently Asked Questions for the 4AD-List, an Internet mailing list devoted to the 4AD record label and the bands on it, such as Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, the Breeders, Throwing Muses, etc. Other music of a similar nature (generally swirly/ethereal/noisy) is also discussed; see below under "List Etiquette". This list was compiled by Jens Alfke . Please send any suggestions or corrections my way (preferably as updates to individual questions, not copies of the entire FAQ with changes made to it; the latter is very difficult to merge into the real FAQ.) Alphabetical thanks to Brent Aliverti, Theo Buchler, Susan Curran, Kelli-Jeanne Drum, Jeff Gayton, David Gilles-Thomas, Christopher Hanks, Dave Hanna, Steve W Hill, Thomas Homulka, Simon Hughes, Neil Impellus, Al Kolman, Julian Lawton, Brant Nelson, A J Norman, Andrew Reynhout, Keith Richmond, Jason Schmit, Dr Bruce Scott, David Sokol, Robert Stanzel, and Geordie Torr for their help so far! If you are receiving this as part of your introductory 4AD-L mailing, then **PLEASE** hang onto this FAQ, or at least keep a copy of the "Administrivia" section, as it explains -->how to unsubscribe<--. On that sad day you will not regret having the information handy. ADMINISTRIVIA Q: How do I subscribe to the 4AD-List? A: Send a message to the ListServ at or . The body should of the message should be: subscribe 4AD-L Joe Schmo where you of course replace "Joe Schmo" with your real name (not your e-mail address). You should hear back from the ListServ pretty quickly. Q: How do I post a message to the list? A: Send your message to <4AD-L@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu> or <4AD-L@JHUVM.BITNET> and it will go to everyone on the list. On most mail systems, replying to a message from the list should automatically direct it there. (Watch out when replying directly to the sender that you don't accidentally send to the whole list!) Q: HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE / turn off my mail while I'm on vacation / receive mail in daily digest form? A: Send a message to the ListServ at or . The body should contain a ListServ command: To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF 4AD-L To put mail on hold: SET 4AD-L NOMAIL To take mail off hold: SET 4AD-L MAIL To get mail in daily-digest form: SET 4AD-L DIGEST To get messages one at a time: SET 4AD-L MAIL For full details, consult the ListServ message you got when you first subscribed. Q: HELP! I've tried to unsubscribe using the method above and it doesn't work. A: This can happen if the current return address of your unsubscribe message is not the same as the address you subscribed with, i.e. if your mail system has been tweaked slightly since you subscribed. Here's what you do next, courtesy of Dr Bruce Scott: 1) Send mail to firstname.lastname@example.org or email@example.com with no subject line, and the single line "review 4ad-l" in the body. 2) You will get a file back with the list of 4ad-l subscribers. Search that list for your name to find out what address you originally subscribed under. 3a) If that address is still your current address, send another message to the above address, no subject line, with the single line "signoff 4ad-l" in the body. 3b) If that address is _not_ your current address, you need to get your sysop to do it for you. You need the "node administrator" (your sysop) to use the single line command (as above) "for signoff 4ad-l". This type of command _must_ be sent from @node, where "user" is "maint", "postmast", or "postmaster". 4) For further information, send mail to the above address with the single line "info refcard". Q: If all else fails, can I talk to a real human about my subscription? A: The owner of the list is Jim Jones: or . Q: Are there archives of previous months' postings? A: Everything ever posted to 4AD-L is saved in archive files. They are separated by month, with names like 4ad-l.log9306 (for June 93), or 4ad-l.log9211 (for Nov 92) for instance. There are two ways to get them. The first is to send a listserver command to the Bitnet or Internet address listed above: get 4ad-l log9306 The other is by ftp. If you are using a Unix system, the command is: ftp jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (FTP is also accessible from Macs or DOS PCs with IP addresses, but the user interface varies.) Logon as 'anonymous' and give any password. Move to the 4ad-l directory (In Unix, "cd 4ad-l") and get whatever file you want ("get 4ad-l.log9306"). You can list the files with the command ls. LIST ETIQUETTE Q: What kind of music can be discussed on 4AD-L? A: Anything to do with the 4AD record label, its present and former recording artists, or 23 Envelope/v23/Vaughn Oliver, is obviously fair game. There is also much discussion of bands whose members have appeared on 4AD recordings (Cindytalk, Shelleyan Orphan), bands that are on 4AD in parallel universes (Slowdive, Cranes, My Bloody Valentine, Sundays, anybody on Too Pure) and noisy pop in general. Use discretion. Q: What non-4AD bands do people on the list like the best? A: The following partial list of our favorite 1992 non-4AD releases may be of help; thanks to Lars Ingebrigtsen for running the voting! The Boo Radleys, Pavement, Ride, SpinART's "One Last Kiss" comp, PJ Harvey, My Bloody Valentine, Juliana Hatfield, Spiritualized, Tel Basta, Catherine Wheel, Sugar, Sonic Youth, Medicine, The Beautiful South, Skinny Puppy, Kitchens of Distinction, Cranes, The Orb, Curve... (Some of these are really from 1991; so sue us...) Q: What does the word "thislisty" mean? A: It's an adjective, referring to the kind of music discussed on 4AD-L. See the previous answers for details. Q: Is it kosher to advertise items for sale/trade? A: Yup, and it's done all the time. Please, if you do this, make sure to tell people to reply to you personally, not the list. (See below...) Q: I was listening to Dead Can Dance the other day while tripping on 'shrooms and wrote some really un-fuckin-believable stream of consciousness poetry that I'd like to share with the list since it was influenced by my listening to 4AD music. A: It's been done. No sir, we didn't like it. Try alt.poetry or /dev/null instead. Q: How do I send a reply to just the sender of a message, and not the entire list? A: Thanks for asking; for some reason, the list is periodically inundated by personal replies sent by people who didn't think about or get an answer to this. Having said that, we can only reply that the details are specific to your mail system. Try consulting your system administrator or reading a manual. As a last resort, if you have access to the message header you can read off the "From:" address and type it into the "To:" field of a new message. If you absolutely have no alternative but to send a personal message via the entire list, at least be very contrite and regretful about it. This will save you the trouble of getting flamed... It should also be noted that some people are subjected to rinky-dink mail systems that hide the return address of the sender. For this reason, it's a good idea to include your address in your .signature, otherwise these people will be unable to send personal mail to you. Q: How 'bout those acronyms people sometimes use? A: Here are some of the more common ones, listed alphabetically: AVAM= All Virgos Are Mad, the 1994 4AD festival in LA BTfaBG= Black Tape For a Blue Girl CT = Cocteau Twins DCD = Dead Can Dance EoST= The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa FSA = Flying Saucer Attack FSOL= Future Sound Of London HNIA= His Name Is Alive J&MC= The Jesus and Mary Chain MBV = My Bloody Valentine MM = Melody Maker, a British weekly music paper M7X = The Moon Seven Times NME = New Musical Express, another British paper PiL = Public Image, Ltd. PJH = P J Harvey (or maybe Pearl Jam Hurls) RHP = Red House Painters SY = Sonic Youth TMC = This Mortal Coil TWP = The Wolfgang Press (or maybe The Wedding Present) VG = Velocity Girl 13YI= 13-Year Itch, a 4AD party held in summer 1993 There are also the usual net-talk abbreviations like IMHO or "Ob-"; if you're confused about those see any netiquette guide or the New Hacker's Dictionary (edited by Eric Raymond, published by MIT Press, very informative and amusing.) Q: I was forwarded a true story about a $250 Neiman-Marcus cookie recipe... A: Don't even think about posting it to the list or you'll end up more charred than the cookies. You might want to post it to alt.folklore.urban, though, they love cookie recipes there. MUSICAL QUESTIONS Q: Does anybody have lyrics for Cocteau Twins songs? A: Only Elizabeth Fraser, and she's not telling. All we know for sure are some couplets that appear on the LPs of "Garlands" and "Head Over Heels": - Things from the forest die here / But I don't / Dead forest things are offered here / But I'm not - Grail overfloweth / Forget-me-not wreaths / Chaplets see me drugged / I could die in the rosary - When Mama was moth / I took bulb form - Glass candle grenades are popping / Still we'll not keel over - Tinderbox of a heart / Left a shell is all - Fig up my love paramour / Ooze out and away onehow (Note that the last line became a song title on "The Moon and the Melodies".) Q: Who is this Harold Budd guy who appeared on "The Moon and the Melodies"? A: Harold Budd is a composer and pianist (and colleague of Brian Eno) who works mainly in the genre of "ambient music": sparse, meditative soundscapes that avoid the easy sentimentalism of "new age". If you enjoyed the quieter piano-based moments of "The Moon...", particularly "Memory Gongs", try Budd's album "Lovely Thunder", which includes an alternate version of that song, entitled "Flowered Knife Shadows". Also recommended are his earlier albums "The Pearl" and "The Plateaux of Mirror", both collaborations with Brian Eno. His 1989 album "The White Arcades" was recorded in the Cocteau Twins' studio, September Sound; unfortunately, its sound becomes too treacly for my ears. Your mileage may vary. Q: Why did the Cocteau Twins leave 4AD? What label are they on now? A: They left for Fontana in 1991. They said they were tired of being pigeonholed as "a 4AD band". They're now on Fontana (still on Capitol in the US.) Q: Where did the name "Cocteau Twins" come from? A: That fun-loving Robin Guthrie has said misleading things about it in some interviews, but the actual truth is that it was the name of an early Simple Minds song. No one having been able to find a song of this name on any Simple Minds record, Brant Nelson finally asked Robin himself and was told that it's on the first SM album but under a different title. Q: Who originally wrote/performed the song "Blue Flower", which both Mazzy Star and Pale Saints have covered? A: It was originally done in the '70s by the band Slapp Happy, written by Peter Blegvad and Anthony Moore. Julian Lawton writes: "Peter Blegvad is currently a cartoonist on the Independent On Sunday (Leviathan) - he also did solo stuff with Andy Partridge of XTC. Moore also worked as part of Faust's floating line up (or was it Amon Duul) and I think both were in Henry Cow, as well as Slaphappy. The one time I saw a Slaphappy LP it was very expensively priced in a collectors shop!!!" Q: My copy of HNIA's "Home Is In Your Head" ends really abruptly, as though the tape ran out or something. Is this intentional? A: Yes. The master tape ran out while they were recording and they liked the way it sounded. Q: What is this "Volume" thing? A: Volume is a periodical thingy -- a CD with a very large booket, or a magazine with a free CD, depending on how you look at it. It includes articles about, and songs by, several different bands. The songs are usually unavailable elsewhere. Issue 5 ("Volume 5", natch) had much notoriety on this list due to the Cocteau Twins' version of "Frosty the Snowman" and a nice interview with them. Volume is published in England, but it can be found in finer US record stores, and is available from mail-order houses like Vinyl Ink or Parasol (q.v.) Q: Didn't some of the people in The Moon Seven Times use to be in the band Area? A: Yes, Lynn Canfield (singer) and Henry Frayne (guitarist) both were in Area. Moreover, Henry is a 4AD-L subscriber... Q: What's the difference between the Lilys and the Lillies? A: The Lilys are an American band whose album "In the Presence of Nothing" (Slumberland/SpinArt, 1992) sounds almost more like My Bloody Valentine than MBV themselves do. (They have since changed members and sound quite different now.) The Lillies were a one-shot band consisting of members of Lush, Moose and the Cocteau Twins, who recorded one song (an homage to their favorite football team) for a flexi in an English music magazine. For die-hard collectors only. Q: What is the name of the extra track on the Lilys' CD "In the Presence of Nothing"? A: It's actually the second to last track, not the last one, and it's called "Threw a Day". The last track is "Claire Hates Me", as advertised. Q: What is the name of the "hidden" fifth track on the vinyl version of "Half-Life" by Pale Saints? A: It's called "The Colour of the Sky". Incidentally, the reason for the unnanounced extra tracks on British singles is that the chart rules in the UK specify that a "single" can only contain four songs. If a band wants to have a fifth song, without having the single considered a more expensive "mini-album", they just don't officially put it on. Q: What Japanese-only 4AD releases are there? A: Several compilations: the "1987" 12" compilation; Pale Saints "Mrs. Dolphin"; the Belly EP compilation; Lush's "Superblast" EP (containing two other already-released tracks); and Natures Mortes-Still Lives, the compilation from 1982 (produced for Japan with 500 imported back to the UK.) Q: What is on the Slowdive compilation "Blue Day"? A: Most of the tracks from the singles ("Slowdive", "Morningrise", "Holding Our Breath") that preceded their first album. The tracks are: Slowdive Avalyn 1 Morningrise She Calls Losing Today Shine Albatross Missing are the instrumental "Avalyn 2" (essential!) and "Golden Hair" (yes, the James Joyce / Syd Barret song.) This disc was rereleased as a freebie included in the UK limited edition of their "Souvlaki" album. Q: What's that dance song that samples This Mortal Coil's "Song To the Siren" (repeating the line "Did I dream you dreamed about me")? A: "Temple Of Dreams", by Messiah. They claim they re-recorded, not sampled, that bit... WHATEVER HAPPENED TO... Q: Whatever happened to that band... A: Read on! (Most of this info was supplied by the omniscient Brant Nelson.) Spirea X: Left 4AD and disappeared utterly. Pale Saints: Singer/bassist Ian Masters left in late '93 to form Spoonfed Hybrid, who have an album out on Guernica. The rest of the band have recruited a bass player from the Heart Throbs and will have a new album out later in '94. Colourbox: No one's quite sure. Nothing's been heard from them since the World Cup Theme and of course the "M.A.R.R.S" collaboration with A R Kane. A R Kane: Moved to Rough Trade, but haven't really released anything new in several years (besides the "Americana" compilation on Luaka Bop.) Rudy is still doing remixes for other bands. Frasier Chorus: Moved to Virgin, then faded away after a few albums. Dif Juz: The members are scattered among the UK and USA. Richard Thomas had a stint with J&MC then Moose, and now Butterfly Child. Their non 4AD output was limited to a mini-album "Who Says So" and a chaotic tape of demos "Time Clock Turn Back" from the Pleasantly Surprised series. An album of unreleased stuff was planned by Independent Project Records, but it never came to pass. Modern English: Left 4AD, recorded Stop Start, from which the minor hit "Ink and Paper" comes, then resurfaced a few years later with the TVT album "Pillow Lips" featuring a new version of their biggest hit "I Melt With You". They toured and then dove back into obscurity. Bauhaus: Left 4AD for Beggars Banquet. Most members have done solo stuff, plus formed other bands. Ash / Campling: Leave for Beggars Banquet as Tones On Tail. J / Halkett: Part of the Bauhaus splinters, David J follows Daniel Ash into Love And Rockets after this, as well as releasing solo albums. The Happy Family: After one album and single, Nick Currie went on to form Momus. Cocteau Twins: Left 4AD for Fontana and Capitol. Swallow: Left 4AD for Rough Trade. A new cd single is out as of August 94. Unrest: Called it quits after "Perfect Teeth" and reformed (minus drummer Phil) as Air Miami. Pixies: Called it quits. Black Francis now solo, Kim Deal in The Breeders. Rema Rema: Various members went on to form Mass, then The Wolfgang Press. Mass: Various members became The Wolfgang Press with Mark Cox from In Camera. In Camera: Keyboardist Mark Cox joins The Wolfgang Press. A retrospective containing all their stuff was co-released by 4AD and TeenBeat. [note in the last two, I may be thinking of Andrew Gray instead of Mark Cox] Richenel: Had at least an album on some other label. Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares: About the individual women from the 4AD recordings, who knows; but the current choir now officially tours under the same name and have released three or four further albums. The Birthday Party: Nick Cave goes solo. Other member(s?) join other groups. (Clan Of) Xymox: Left 4AD for Wing. "Twist of Shadows" is released, then "Phoenix" and Ronny Moorings is left by himself for the two recent travesties. Lydia Lunch: Several albums on another label. Matt Johnson: Forms The The who have a bunch of albums. Gilbert / Lewis: Wire plus various other projects. Colin Newman: Wire, Wir, three solo albums. Continues to remain active. Pieter Nooten: Reportedly working with singer Toni Halliday (ex-Curve) on a new band called Bud -- nothing released yet as of this writing. Bettie Serveert: Released another album on some other label. This Mortal Coil: The project was dissolved after the release of "Blood". Ultra Vivid Scene: Was booted off 4AD for spending too much money on session musicians and after the sales of "Rev" and the supporting tour weren't outstanding. Note: this is a fairly well established rumor that may not be the entire truth. Underground Lovers: Had a new single recently in Australia and presumably have a new album coming out. Xmal Deutschland: Had two non-4AD albums then disappeared. One member tuened up in The Rossburger Report, a group Ivo was going to sign, then backed out on. My Captains: An unconfirmed rumor has one member selling off a box of mint copies of their single in a recent Melody Maker ad. This leaves only the following groups. Anything about them has been lost in obscurity. Bearz C.V.O. Dance Chapter The Fast Set The Past Seven Days Psychotic Tanks Red Atkins Shox Sort Sol Spasmodic Caress COMPILATIONS Q: What is "Lonely Is an Eyesore"? A: A 4AD compilation from 1987, featuring the usual suspects (Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, This Mortal Coil, Throwing Muses, Dif Juz and more.) In addition to the usual LP, CD, cassette and videocassette versions, there is a limited-edition LP with a sleeve of mind-blowing complexity and beauty (according to those who've seen it.) There is even an extremly limited wooden box version. Only 100 were made, and if you ever find one, expect to pay at least $800 for it. Brant Nelson says "there's one near where I live and the owner wants over $2000!" Album track listing: 1. Colourbox - "Hot Doggie" 2. This Mortal Coil - "Acid, Bitter and Sad" 3. Dead Can Dance - "Frontier" 4. Throwing Muses - "Fish" 5. Wolfgang Press - "Cut The Tree" 6. Cocteau Twins - "Crushed" 7. Dif Juz - "No Motion" 8. Clan of Xymox - "Muscoviet Mosquito" 9. Dead Can Dance - "The Protagonist" The video includes the same tracks, in the order: 3, 6, 2, 4, 8, 5, 1, 7, 9. Q: What is "Liliput"? A: An ultra-fancy limited-edition 4AD compilation released in 1992 as a promotional release only to mark 4AD joining with Warner Bros. It was sent to radio stations, stores and the press and was never available for purchase. It contains two CDs; one of older material, one of new material: Liliput 1 Bauhaus - Dark Entries The The - Controversial Subject The Birthday Party - Nick The Stripper Modern English - I Melt With You This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren Xmal Deutschland - Incubus Succubus II Cocteau Twins - The Spangle Maker Xymox - Stranger Colourbox - Baby, I Love You So Throwing Muses - Hate My Way Dif Juz - No Motion M/A/R/R/S - Pump Up The Volume Ultra Vivid Scene - Mercy Seat Dead Can Dance - The Host Of Seraphim Pixies - Monkey Gone To Heaven Lush - De-luxe Lilliput 2 Pale Saints - Throwing Back The Apple Pale Saints - Featherframe The Wolfgang Press - A Girl Like You The Wolfgang Press - Birmingham Michael Brook - Breakdown Michael Brook - Urbana Spirea X - Chlorine Dream Spirea X - Signed D.C Heidi Berry - Gloria His Name Is Alive - Are We Still Married? Swallow - Tastes Like Honey Swallow - Follow Me Down Tintwistle Brass Band - A Thousand Stars Burst Open (Top secret track! a brass arrangement of the Pale Saints tune, previously found on the free single given away with the vinyl of In Ribbons.) Copies have been sighted in used record stores for up to $100. Good luck finding one. Q: What is "And dog bones too..."? A: The first 4AD "retail sampler". It's a promotional release only sent to stores and radio stations. Copies were also given out at the CMJ shows last year. Track listing: The Wolfgang Press sucker m.f. (remix) remixed by Martyn Young (M.A.R.R.S./Colourbox) Swallow lovesleep Red House Painters michael Throwing Muses pearl Lush nothing natural Spirea X chlorine dream Belly dusted His Name is Alive the dirt eaters Michael Brook shona bridge The Breeders do you love me now? Pale Saints blue flower The Birthday Party sonny's burning Modern English melt with you Pixies u-mass ..plus a hidden bonus track: This Mortal Coil Song To The Siren Q: What is "Mai Pen Rai"? A: A second retail 4AD sampler with sleeve printed by Bruce Licher (of Savage Republic) from Independent Project Records in Sedona, AZ. (Trivia: what 4AD song mentions this town?) In typical Licher fashion, eight different color combinations were printed. The CD holder is entirely cardboard, with a fold-out insert containing the CD. 4AD plans on periodically releasing these retail samplers which will probably include a hidden track on each one. ::Track Listing:: Belly - Feed The Tree Ultra Vivid Scene - Blood And Thunder Frank Black - Los Angeles Heidi Berry - The Moon And The Sun Red House Painters - Rollercoaster Dead Can Dance - The Carnival Is Over His Name Is Alive - In Every Ford Unrest - Teenage Suicide Underground Lovers - Promenade This Mortal Coil - You And Your Sister Matt Johnson - Another Boy Drowning Dance Chapter - Anonymity (hidden track) Q: What is on the special "13-Year Itch" CD compilation? A: There were a CD, a video and a poster. The CD first: Lush - Desire Lines (demo) Kristin Hersh - Your Ghost (demo) Red House Painters - Mistress (remix) Underground Lovers - Your Eyes (remix) The Wolfgang Press - Peace On Fire Unrest - Where Are All Those Puerto Rican Boys? The Breeders - Invisible Man (demo) Bettie Serveert - Totally Freaked Out Brendan Perry - Happy Time Heidi Berry - Firefly Pale Saints - One Blue Hill (demo) His Name Is Alive - The Time Falling Bodies Take To Light Ultra Vivid Scene - This Is The Way (part 2) The video: 1. the breeders - cannonball 2. unrest - isabel 3. pixies - dig for fire/allison 4. frank black - los angeles 5. bettie serveert - tom boy 6. the wolfgang press - kansas 7. his name is alive - are we still married? 8. his name is alive - lip 9. his name is alive - can't go wrong without you 10. this mortal coil - late night 11. micheal brook - breakdown 12. heidi berry - the moon and the sun 13. red house painters - 24 14. throwing muses - counting backwards 15. pale saints - blue flower 16. swallow - ocean and blue skies 17. lush - superblast 18. ultra vivid scene - blood and thunder The poster: was given out free to everyone who bought the third 4AD poster set (FAD23) at the festival. Q: What is "The Pink Opaque"? How can I get a copy? A: It's a Cocteau Twins compilation from 1985, their first US release and their first CD release. It has a variety of stuff from "Garlands" through "Treasure". The more obscure things on it are: - A version of "Wax and Wane" with a much heavier drum sound - "Millimillenary" (from a limited edition compilation tape called "Department Of Enjoyment", released by NME) As far as we know it is out of print. Copies still show up in used bins, however. Q: What is "Thurtene"? A: Thurtene is a 4AD tribute compilation CD put together by Brant Nelson (list member and Dewdrops (4AD fanzine) editor.) It consists of 13 bands covering 13 songs originally released on 4AD. It may be ordered from Brant at Dewdrops, 1817 Corinth Ave. #10, Los Angeles, CA 90025-5567. The US price is $11.50 which includes postage. Make checks payable to Brant Nelson. For more info, see the FAQ file on Dewdrops. ::Track Listing:: The Moon Seven Times - Michelle (Xymox) Hover - When I Was A Painter (The Breeders) immer essen - Not In Love (Ultra Vivid Scene) Livia - Mizake The Mizan (Cocteau Twins) Red Zoo - 5/10 (Colin Newman) Independent Mechanical Industry - Swing Like A Baby (The Wolfgang Press) GLE - Hate My Way (Throwing Muses) Clarity - Saltarello (Dead Can Dance) Orange - Gigantic (Pixies) The Gosh Guys - Where Is My Mind (Pixies) Floral Majority - Blue Flower (Pale Saints) Firecracker - There's Something Between Us... (His Name Is Alive) Tel Basta - I Melt With You (Modern English) Q: What is the "4AD 1987" compilation? A: This is a Japanese-only CD compiling 12"s released by 4AD in 1987, viz: 1) The Wolfgang Press "Big Sex" 2) A.R. Kane "Lolita" 3) Throwing Muses "Chains Changed" 4) Frazier Chorus "Sloppy Heart" 5) M/A/R/R/S "Pump Up the Volume" DISCOGRAPHY / GROUPOGRAPHY Q: What are all the bands who have released music on the 4AD or Guernica labels? A: The all-knowing Brant Nelson provides this list (accurate as of June 1993): AR Kane Daniel Ash / Glen Campling Bauhaus Bearz Belly Heidi Berry The Birthday Party Frank Black Breeders Michael Brook Budd / Fraser / Guthrie / Raymonde C.V.O. (Clan Of) Xymox Cocteau Twins Colourbox Dance Chapter Dead Can Dance Dif Juz The Fast Set Frazier Chorus Rene Halkett / David J The Happy Family Kristen Hersh His Name Is Alive Rowland Howard / Lydia Lunch In Camera Matt Johnson G. Lewis / B.C. Gilbert Lydia Lunch Lush M/A/R/R/S Mass Modern English My Captains Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares Colin Newman Pieter Nooten / Michael Brook Pale Saints The Past Seven Days Pixies Psychotic Tanks Red Atkins Red House Painters Rema Rema Richenel Bettie Serveert Shox Sort Sol Spasmodic Caress Spirea X Swallow The The This Mortal Coil Throwing Muses Ultra Vivid Scene Underground Lovers Unrest The Wolfgang Press Xmal Deutschland Q: Is there a complete 4AD discography? A: There was one on the "Lonely Is an Eyesore" compilation, accurate as of mid-1987. Various more up to date ones have been printed in Melody Maker, Spiral Scratch, and Dewdrops. For the most up to date information, check page 2 or 3 of Dewdrops or consult... Q: What is "Eyesore"? A: Eyesore is an online database of 4AD discographic information (right on down to track listings and personnel) maintained by list member Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen . You can send queries to it by e-mail, and the source code is also available for Unix systems. Eyesore is also available on the WorldWideWeb, via the Mosaic client program: the URL is: http://isvpc146.isv.uit.no/eyesore.html OTHER 4AD QUESTIONS Q: Where did the name "4AD" come from? A: As far as we know, it's a contraction of "Forward": Forward -> 4wArD -> 4AD. Ivo originally named the label "Axis" but someone else already held the trademark so he had to change it in a hurry. Q: Who is Ivo? A: Ivo Watts-Russel is the man behind 4AD: the creator of the label, the president, the guy who decides what bands to sign based on how cool he thinks they are. He has also produced a few records (such as the Cocteau Twins' "Garlands") and is the driving force of This Mortal Coil (he selects the songs, writes some of them, selects the musicians and singers, plays some keyboards, and produces.) Q: How does Ivo pronounce his name? A: "Ee-vo", not "Eye-vo". Liz Fraser sings it (correctly) in the Cocteau Twins song of the same name. Q: What are 23 Envelope and v23? A: 23 Envelope was the team of Vaughan Oliver (graphic design and typography) and Nigel Grierson (photography), who designed the artwork for almost all 4AD releases until 1987. Vaughan Oliver now continues on his own as v23, collaborating with Chris Bigg, Simon Larbalestier and others. Q: Have any of their designs been released separately? A: Several-- WAD 23: A set of posters released in 1986. XAD 23: Another set of posters, from 1990. PAD 23: A set of postcards (released in 1986, re-released in 1992.) PAD 905: A set of eight Pixies postcards of the photos from Doolittle. XAD 001: A 1990 calendar. XAD2020: A 1993 calendar. (This one breaks all the cataloging rules; see below) A v23 Exhibition/Exposition book ???INFO??? There are many other posters. 4AD prints them for nearly every release. We have no guidelines or hints on where to find them. :: WAD 23 Poster Set :: :: 15 posters :: Clan Of Xymox - Clan Of Xymox Cocteau Twins - Tiny Dynamine / Echoes In A Shallow Bay Cocteau Twins - Aikea Guinea Cocteau Twins - Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops Cocteau Twins - Sunburst And Snowblind Cocteau Twins - Treasure Cocteau Twins - Victorialand Colourbox - Colourbox Modern English - Someone's Calling Modern English - Ricochet Days Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares - Volume 1 Richenel - l'Esclave Endormi This Mortal Coil - Sixteen Days - Gathering Dust This Mortal Coil - It'll End In Tears Xmal Deutschland - Incubus Succubus II ::PAD 23 Postcard Set:: :: 12 postcards :: Cocteau Twins - Peppermint Pig Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels / Sunburst And Snowblind Cocteau Twins - Treasure Cocteau Twins - The Pink Opaque Cocteau Twins - Victorialand Colourbox - Colourbox Colourbox - Baby I Love You So Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares - Volume 1 Modern English - Ricochet Days This Mortal Coil - I'll End In Tears Richenel - l'Esclave Endormi :: XAD 23 Poster Set :: ::15 'A2' size posters:: The Breeders - Pod Dead Can Dance - Aion His Name Is Alive - Livonia Lush - Sweetness And Light Lush - Mad Love Lush - Scar Pale Saints - The Comforts Of Madness Pixies - Gigantic Pixies - Here Comes Your Man Pixies - Velouria Pixies - Bossanova Pixies - Dig For Fire Throwing Muses - House Tornado (UK) Ultra Vivid Scene - Joy 1967-1990 Ultra Vivid Scene - Ultra Vivid Scene :: FAD 23 Poster Set :: :: 13 posters (A2 size?) :: Released: 1993, premiered at the 13 Year Itch (q.v.) Heidi Berry - Chris Bigg artwork, not sure what album it's from TMC - Blood Swallow - Blow HNIA - Home Is In Your Head Heidi Berry - Love Belly - Star, inside artwork from one the "Gepetto" singles Frank Black - s/t Michael Brook - Cobalt Blue RHP - Down Colourful Hill Lush - Black Spring EP The Breeders - Safari Pixies - Trompe Le Monde Also includes the 13-Year-Itch poster listing all the bands/dates Q: Are they still in print? Where can I obtain them? A: We used to have a source but I'm informed that they've run out. Good luck! Q: What is the Guernica label? A: Guernica is a 4AD-offshoot that releases one-shots by bands not otherwise signed to 4AD: e.g. Bettie Serveert, Underground Lovers. Unrest's "Imperial FFRR" was released on Guernica but their later releases were on the 4AD mothership. (Tidbit: All of the vinyl Guernica releases so far include a 7" with additional tracks along with the LP.) Q: What is the hidden meaning of 4AD's catalog numbers? A: The alphabetic part indicates the medium: AXIS = first four 7" singles AD = 7" single CAD = LP DAD = Double LP BAD = EP (up to four listed songs, more may be hidden or unlisted) HAD = (Used only once, for the UK reissue of "Burning Blue Soul", possibly a sarcastic reference to the Kollektor Skum who had to buy it due to the new artwork on the reissue.) JAD = (only used twice, Birthday Party / Lydia Lunch live mini album and Lush's Scar EP) MAD = Mini-album (more than four songs) PAD = Postcard Set TAD = Temporary release: only one pressing* VAD = Video cassette WAD = Poster Set XAD = Poster Set or Calendar The letters CD appended indicate a compact disc, and CS indicates a cassette. An appended D indicates a double or special limited release. *There have been only four "TAD" releases: Throwing Muses' "The Curse", Swallow's "Blowback", Michael Brook's "Live_at_the_Aquarium", and Lisa Germano's "Inconsiderate Bitch". The numbers indicate the year and release sequence. In a three-digit number (used through 1989), the first digit is the last digit of the year; in a four-digit number (used since 1990), the first two digits are the number of years since 1990. The last two digits are always the ordinal number of that release in that year (1 means the first 4AD release of that year, 12 means the twelfth.) There are a few exceptions. The "13 Year Itch" CD is numbered "(shuffle)". Other funny numbers belong to non-musical releases; see above. Promo releases are numbered oddly -- the alphabetic part is usually an abbreviation of the band's name, and the numbers are sequential across promos by that band. There may be a "CD" suffix indicating a CD release, but not all CD promos have it. Thus,TMC 1 CD Is the first This Mortal Coil promo CD, Pix 3 is the third Pixies promo. There is also the grey area of freebies.HNAI 1 was given out at record stores (7"), kh1 (CD) given out with initial copies of Red Heaven(CD),KH2 was given away by postal application, etc etc. MAIL Q: What is 4AD's mailing address? A: US Office : PO Box 461599, Los Angeles, CA 90046-9599 UK Office : 15 Alma Road, London, SW18 1AA Q: Where can I find obscure thislisty music by mail-order? A: Two good US mail-order places are Parasol and Vinyl Ink. Parasol: 202 S. First, Champaign IL 61820 USA (217)355-2555 Vinyl Ink: 955 Bonifant St. Silver Spring, MD 20910 USA (301)588-4695 Q: How about by E-mail-order? A: Try EAR-Rational music, an online music service specializing in thislisty/dance/noise product. They're not the quickest (they don't always have everything in stock and may have to re-order from a distributor) but the selection is excellent. For a catalog, send mail to firstname.lastname@example.org with subject "catalog-ascii". The catalog will include directions on how to order. If you're looking for used stuff (or have stuff to sell), try the Used Music List. Write to with subject "HELP". Q: Is there a 4AD fanzine? A: Yes! It's called Dewdrops, and is co-edited by list member Brant Nelson . (Or 1817 Corinth Ave. #10, Los Angeles, CA 90025-5567.) Dewdrops has its own FAQ, which is available separately from 4AD-L archives via FTP (see above for FTP info.) Q: How about other 'zines or magazines that cover thislisty music? A: Here are a few addresses... Ray Gun 807 Navy St., Santa Monica CA 90405 $25 a year (10 issues) A professional-quality magazine with really odd, experimental (some say unreadable) layout. Covers a wide variety of "alternative" music. The recent "UK" issue was amazing, with coverage of just about every English thislisty band you can think of. Warped Reality c/o Andrea Feldman PO Box 2515, Providence, RI 02906 E-mail: Susan Curran at email@example.com. Issues are $2.50 ppd. in the US, payable to Andrea Feldman. "We're a new magazine of uncommon art and music. The first issue had interviews with: Belly, His Name is Alive, God is My Co-Pilot and children's book illustrator Maira Kalman. "The second issue will be coming out in another week or so, and will have interviews with: Kristin Hersh, Chris Bigg of v23, The Breeders, Miranda Sex Garden, Big Hat, Opium Den, and a review of the 13 year itch." Q: How about other related Internet mailing lists? A: The Indie-List [Write a nice letter to Sean Murphy at ] Devoted to music on independent labels, mostly small US bands that release a lot of stuff on 7"s. Unrest, Sebadoh, Eggs, Tsunami, The Dambuilders... Twice-weekly digest format means lots of info, little chit-chat or flamage. Can at first produce feelings of dizziness upon reading page after page about bands you've never heard of. The UK-Indie-List [firstname.lastname@example.org] Covers the UK independent scene, from thislisty stuff through the Wonder Stuff, Morrisey, Pop Will Eat Itself ... In practice this seems too broad for good conversation, and 4AD-L'ers who've tried this list haven't been too impressed. Subbacultcha [email@example.com; body should be "sub subbacultcha " + your name] Covers the whole Pixies / Throwing Muses / Belly / Breeders thang. The Eno-List [eno-Lfirstname.lastname@example.org] Brian Eno, the man, the music, the production work, the legend. Comes out in a daily digest; usualy around 10 messages a day. The David Sylvian List [email@example.com; body should be "sub sylvian " + your name] As you can guess, this list is for discussing the music of David Sylvian, Japan, and the many collaborations those members have been involved in. There are discographies and lyrics available as well. The Durutti Column List [firstname.lastname@example.org] The Ambient List [email@example.com; put "subscribe" in the body.] Q: What about thislisty Web (Mosaic) pages? A: Here's a partial, sketchy list: http://isvpc146.isv.uit.no/eyesore.html (The Eyesore database) http://garnet.berkeley.edu:8080/cocteau.html (Cocteau Twins) http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/seefeel (Seefeel) http://www.acns.nwu.edu/eno-l (Brian Eno) ==============================================================================
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; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20 01:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040101.UAA07760@crack.evo.org> Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2009; Thu, 03 Nov 94 19:59:14 EST Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@JHUVM) by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.ED (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2001; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:59:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:59:14 -0500 Reply-To: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> Sender: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> Comments: Resent-From: "Gerald Tang" Comments: Originally-From: "Gerald Tang" From: Gerald Tang Subject: Re: Lush X-To: 4AD-L@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list 4AD-L <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> In-Reply-To: Ned Anderson "Re: Lush" (Nov 3, 3:29am) btatus: O X-Status: Ned, I'm very sorry to hear about your grandfather. I believe that When I Die is one of the most beautiful and touching songs I have ever heard. Apparently Miki used to cry everytime she heard it. She wanted to release that song as a single but the label released Hypocrite instead because it was more commercial. "When Split was completed, the band fought with their record label to release the beautifully slow and weepy "When I Die" as a single even though the song has little if any commercial appeal. The label wound up releasing the far more upbeat and poppy "Hypocrite" instead. "Everybody tells us that radio people don't know how to market something like that, but I don't see why that's so bloody difficult," gripes Berenyi. "I thought it would be really nice to release `When I Die' as a single because it's so different from all the predictable records that get released, and it would be really unusual, but that's not the way record company people think." Raygun, August 1994 Thank you for the offer of a free subscription to "Infrequently Lush". I would love one. Gerald On Nov 3, 3:29am, Ned Anderson wrote: > Subject: Re: Lush > I loved Split. It seemed to be a very emotional album to me. My grandfather > died shortly after I bought it, and although this sounds corny, I found some > solace in "When I Die". The circumstances of the two deaths were very > similar. I can never thank Emma enough for writing that song, even though it > was a sad occasion that caused her to write it in the first place. > > If you are interested, I am the publisher of the Lush fanzine "Infrequently > Lush". If you want a free subscription, just send me your snail mail address. > :) > > Ned >-- End of excerpt from Ned Anderson -- GERALD TANG VOICE/FAX -(416)225-7346 INTERNET - yku01300@cawc.YorkU.ca 131 Beecroft Road, Apt.#901 Toronto, Ontario Canada M2N 6G9
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; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20 07:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040107.UAA07766@crack.evo.org> Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2372; Thu, 03 Nov 94 20:05:21 EST Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@JHUVM) by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.ED (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2368; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:05:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:37:02 CST Reply-To: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> Sender: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> From: Grant Schwarz Subject: Music X-To: 4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list 4AD-L <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> btatus: O X-Status: The following message was recently posted to a.m.a. It may have some relevence to recent discussions. If you are going to limit your listening repertoire to only music that is deemed "cool" by your peers you are never going to be able to develop a discriminating ear. In every musical category there are the good bands, the great artists and the mediocre. I spent 10 years as a working musician on the road. I learned and played by ear....then one day i decided to,learn more about music theory. I took 3 years of musical composition at Dawson college in Montreal. I can tell you that this experience changed my entire outlook on music. I WILL LISTEN TO ANY FORM OF MUSIC and judge the technique and artistry on its own merits. Yes there are certain types of music that we all enjoy in particular, but there are gems to be found in ALL the forms and permutations throughout history....Classical, jazz, pop, "alternative"..... whatever. The point is that there are 2 main considerations when judging a musical piece. 1.) Technique (sadly lacking in most of these alternative bands) 2.) Artistry. A band that combines both of these attributes in equal proportions is always worth listening to. If I find true art in a musical piece the technique won't count as much. If technique is missing altogether...I can't stand to listen to it. "Alternative" music is a fad, and the bands that don't develop out of this category to find their own direction will not be remembered. In short if you are a musician, don't bother trying to write and play "alternative" simply because it's the latest craze....develop your own style, experiment, become expert on your instrument and most important DON'T ACT, play from the heart...where the music begins. -Brian Forrest
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; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20 19:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040119.UAA07796@crack.evo.org> Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3046; Thu, 03 Nov 94 20:13:55 EST Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@JHUVM) by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.ED (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3028; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:13:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:08:31 -0500 Reply-To: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> Sender: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> From: Richard Singer Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil X-To: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list 4AD-L <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> In-Reply-To: <9411030500.AA07094@mail-in.worldlink.com> btatus: O X-Status: Adrian Sevitz wrote: >Subject: This Mortal Coil > >TE> I am looking for recommendations for TMC's _Blood_. I have an opportunity t >TE> purchase this cd and don't know who anyone is on it. I have _It'll End in T ars_ and enjoy that. Where does _Blood_ fit in? I can pick this cd up for $7 ppd >TE> Would anyone recommend getting this one? > >I have blood. Very Good, Totally Excellent and amazing. I initially bought >it for the Tanya Donnely track (track 6, You and Your Sister, with Kim >Deal) but the whole album is really good. Very spaced out however. Somewere >around track 10 or 11 there is a baby doing vocals type stuff. My friends >threatened to get out the car, told them to walk and turned up the vol. >Track 17 (i think) is called D,D, & E (Daylight, dream and Echo) Although >it is only 38 seconds long it is beautiful. The female vocales are on a >diffirent planet. It's hard to rate This Mortal Coil albums relative to each other, since all of them are so different from one another yet all of them are so good. _Filigree & Shadow_ is probably my favorite, but _Blood_ ranks up there with _It'll End In Tears_. The popular Donnely/Deal track actually sounds pretty light compared to the singing of Deirdre Rutkowski, who contributes the majority of the "on a different planet" female vocals in the LP. Caroline Crawley also makes a good contribution, and there's even a very nice cameo from Heidi Berry. _Blood_ *is* probably the most spaced out of the three LPs, though there are segments in _Filigree & Shadow_ that are just as foggy :-). But the real songs in this album (including several very imaginative covers of '60s-'70s stuff) have a lot of substance, too -- moving, thought-provoking, and more. Anyway, yeah, I think it's well worth buying; it's near the top of my '90s (so far) list. -- Richard Singer
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; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20 34:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040134.UAA07804@crack.evo.org> Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3827; Thu, 03 Nov 94 20:33:01 EST Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@JHUVM) by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.ED (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3824; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:32:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:33:44 -0800 Reply-To: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> Sender: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> From: Kelli-Jeanne Subject: that 'official' list X-To: * This Mortal Listserv * <4AD-L@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list 4AD-L <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> btatus: O X-Status: ok....for the umpteenth time, i subbed to that address, and still..nada. not one li'l peep. :pout: does anyone get responses? is this thing actually "up and running" properly and the problem is on my end? please..someone..anyone..help. this isn't a life or death thing fo rme, but i get so darned annoyed with mail list problems. i don't have the address of the person in 'charge' of that list, or else i'd write him instead... * k-j * ...whose li'l black kitty cat refuses to get along with the german shepherd puppy that's the size of a small horse...
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; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23 43:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040443.XAA08123@crack.evo.org> Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8398; Thu, 03 Nov 94 23:41:51 EST Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@JHUVM) by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.ED (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8392; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:41:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:41:54 -0600 Reply-To: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> Sender: 4ad recording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> From: mRay Subject: Re: hnia 'lib girl' X-To: 4AD Mailinglist <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list 4AD-L <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU> > well i hope that helps... > that word "_grade_" is the same word but im not sure if > it is grade or grain... > sounds like both... > but most likely grade because it makes sense in > the "noise lyrics" part... > being a good student, library girl, pleasing the worker coming > home w/ good grades then hiding... > just my thoughts... write to me or post, im curious to think > what you think the words are... sounds like 'grape' to me ._.-. .-._. mRay ) ( firstname.lastname@example.org